I was talking to a female friend and young Arnold Schwarzenegger came up on conversation. I pulled up a picture of him and spent a long time looking at it. Then said "I am trying to decide if he is attractive.

I know for me women who are fit and toned, attractive. Once a woman is muscular, attractive falls off a cliff. Probably because they start looking like a man.

The Arnold picture

  • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    You think being muscular makes a woman look like a man? Sooo… muscles are for men only. And women should hide theirs?

    Weird take.

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      First of WTF?

      Second believe it or not it’s actually okay to not find certain physical or mental attributes attractive. Attractiveness of others differs for everyone. It isn’t okay to then be mean or disrespectful to those you are not attracted to.

      Weirdly enough if you read my post I didn’t say muscular women were bad, I never said they should not be muscular and I definitely did not say women should hide their muscles.

      So please just fuck off, thank you

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        If you read my comments, you’d see that I said everyone is free to be attracted to whatever and whoever they wish, but saying that women look like men when they have muscles is incredibly sexist.

        Maybe phrase things differently if you want to be understood better.

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          Looking back on your comment history you seem to have a lot of down vote. I take it you like to say mean things. I am sorry you feel that way. It must be miserable.

          Here is every comment you made on your post feel free to show me where you said “…everyone is free to be attracted to whatever and whoever they wish,…”

          You think being muscular makes a woman look like a man? Sooo… muscles are for men only. And women should hide theirs?

          Weird take.

          It’s one thing to not be attracted to muscular women, but to say that it’s because muscular builds are “manly” is sexist as fuck.

          I’d love to see how you can’t make this relevant to the idea that women shouldn’t have large muscles.

          Please go on…

          Sometimes gifts just wrap themselves.

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            If you need to mine someone’s comment history to make your point, you have no point. Stay in the wheelhouse, or don’t bother at all.

            And my comment history is far more upvotes than down, but clearly you’re the type of person to not take nuance into consideration.

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          “I don’t like oranges in desserts”

          That’s perfectly valid and nothing wrong with that ✨✨✨

          “It’s weird when oranges are used in sweet things because they nory are sour”

          OMG what so oranges can’t be sweet now they should hide their sweetness? 😡 That’s incredibly tasteless wow. You should N E V E R explain why your preference means away from something you [descriptor]ist!

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            “I don’t like oranges in deserts”

            That’s perfectly valid and nothing wrong with that.

            “I think oranges in deserts isn’t feminine”

            Sexist bullshit.

            FTFY.

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      I understand what OP means. He (?) is saying that when a woman starts to have bulging muscles, a la the bodybuilder look, it isn’t attractive, because their body looks more masculine and less feminine.

      I feel the same way, I love the look of a toned, athletic woman, like the typical yoga or volleyball/tennis body, but when they start having visible definition and bulging muscles it don’t find it attractive.

      I’m a dude as well, as to OP’s question, I’ve also heard that some women prefer the dad bod to the Arnold look because muscles aren’t soft to lay on.

      • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
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        It’s one thing to not be attracted to muscular women, but to say that it’s because muscular builds are “manly” is sexist as fuck.

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      I’m not agreeing with him at all but that’s a strange jump to take.

      I’d say that secondary sexual characteristics in women tend to involve body fat. Being in extremely good shape does affect that a little bit - breasts, hips, face, ass, - and some would see that as looking more masculine where I’d say they’re just extremely fit.

      Somehow roundness and softness is ‘feminine.’

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      The most muscular women on earth had to take steroids to get there. The most muscular people on earth who don’t take steroids are men (not saying no men take them; don’t put words in people’s mouths). So, I could see that line of thinking, but it’s a needlessly prescriptive way of phrasing it.

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        I’d love to see how you can’t make this relevant to the idea that women shouldn’t have large muscles.

        Please go on…

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    I’m not a woman. I find extremely muscular people unattractive among all genders. There’s a point where it switches from fit to grotesque.

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    The kind of hypermuscularity that body builders have looks unattractive on any gender imo and not just aesthetically. It also is a clear message that they will not eat taco bell and watch Pokemon reruns at 2 AM with me.

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          I work at an airport. We have shifts spanning all 24 hours. Nope, I could work more normal hours, but I choose not to. 4:30 am is a little earlier than I would like, but it does have a few advantages, I don’t catch as much of the heat in the summer, I get off early in the day if I don’t work overtime, and that shift has the most competent coworkers. Oh and the company I work for offers some pretty good benefits.

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    I know for me women who are fit and toned, attractive. Once a woman is muscular, attractive falls off a cliff

    Speak for yourself

    - A lesbian

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      As a fellow lesbian, there is definitely a cliff, but it’s post karlach. Personally the older I get the more I love a mom bod, but a jocky herbo type? Yeah I’m down. But once you get into bodybuilder levels yeah no. Though as I say this, it’s not the muscle, it’s the contrast of high muscle with low body fat. Because like, yeah powerlifters can get it, but when you start looking like Arnold with tits, nah.

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        Once a woman is muscular, attractive falls off a cliff

        There. I have removed the context from your quote and you find yourself on the defensive once again. Have at you!

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    Is this a question for straight women only or can a pansexual guy answer? Personally I’ve a thing for fbb’s but with guys it doesn’t do anything for me. Turns me right off.

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        To an extent, both. I wouldn’t say I have a strong sense of attraction to begin with, and conversely I’m not outside dating any guy if we grow into each other, but people of his type draw me in even less. If he had a different persona/aura (think Jareth) but retained his physical image, I may be drawn to him, but he is not mismatched with his physical image.

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    Even though we generalize that we’re attracted to categories like men and women I think most people are only attracted to a handful of singular people rather than a whole gender (or a more muscled or less muscled subset of one).

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    nb here; I had a co workers who was so attractive that it was difficult to look him in the eyes and we had to do pair programming together.

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    Personally, I do not find men (or women) that are as built as that photo of Arnold attractive. I do like nicely-toned arms though, I am definitely an “arms” chick, as in, I find muscular arms in particular attractive. But there’s definitely a point where if the muscles are too big, it starts to be less appealing.

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    No, not attractive. That’s a man who spends a LOT of time in the gym, looking at himself in the mirror. He eats and drinks weird stuff and possibly is on drugs that make him angry. Not my cup of tea.

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      That is a man who was the Govenor of California. Eats and drinks weird stuff? You mean healthy and lots of protein?

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        I think they meant stuff like pre workout mixes and post workout mixes. Hyper processed proteins, BCAAs, Caffiene, Beta Alanine, argenine, creatine, taurine, etc… followed by a chaser of a dozen or so pills like ZMA. Then of course the HGH, T, Sermorelin, Ipamorelin, & CJC-1295.

        Aside from the wealthiest, body builders generally destroy their hearts and bodies filling them up with dozens of cheap suspect supplements that don’t have solid lab testing. And they are always pushing new frontiers on shady pseudoscience to get a fresh edge with whatever side effects that has on longevity.

        Arnold got out before that part of the scene got super out of control. But even with him, you can see it in the way his forehead and gut shape have changed over time. The very clear signs he’s juiced, just probably under a lot more perfect control from medical professionals due to his wealth.

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    Yes. The amount of time a man spends in the gym to build muscles like that is inversely proportionate to how much time he has available to spend fortifying a relationship with a woman.

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    Nicely toned is probably ideal. But I prefer skinny than overly muscular like body builders. Tall and skinny or lanky was pretty much my type especially when I was younger. Now my husband has a bit of fat around the belly and I love that too.