It’s just like in the playground; almost everybody want to stand up to the bully, but nobody has the guts. They are afraid the bully will call them names or attack. And when finally one does stand up, the others cowers in a corner.
Guess we’ll have to kill most of the Dems too then huh.
Americans are the biggest cowards in the world.
What a fucking timeline, this is incredible 😳
“Home of the braves, land of the free”
Home of the cowards, land of the slaves**
Why would we want to impeach Trump?
Trump’s approval wasn’t affected, if anything it went up. Republicans increased their support of dear leader. It just wastes time and effort so we can say Trump was impeached.
And for what? Who cares? Are we trying to look good for the history books?
The fascists are infighting and Trump’s approval in tanking. Impeachments are more likely to reverse that than to accelerate the process.
People act like this counts as some appeasement or enabling of Trump… as if third times the charm! Two of these bombs were dropped on MAGA and did fuck all. It’s not exactly “pulling punches” to not waste a third one.
You do realize that the impeachment isn’t the goal, right? It’s just the first step. If you want to forcibly remove Trump while he’s still alive, you only have 2 options. 1) You need Vance and half of Trump’s cabinet to formally deem him incapable of executing the powers of the office and replacing him with Vance under the 25th amendment and then (when Trump pushes back) have 2/3rds of both houses of congress vote to agree he’s incapable. Or 2) Have a majority of the House vote to impeach him, and then have 2/3rds of he Senate vote to convict, which will result in his removal from office. Impeachment isn’t just a formal scolding. That’s called a censure. It’s an indictment of a crime that will then be tried in the Senate. In both cases of impeachment last time, the spineless Senate voted to acquit. But that doesnt mean that they won’t ever break ranks or that in voting to acquit they may lose votes as a result.
Not kill, shelve. Let’s be honest, you weren’t going to get dozens of GOP votes in the house and 20 in the senate to remove Trump anyways. If you want Trump gone then the only way is helping the DNCs take a huge midterm majority.
TBH I think they’re right. It has zero chance to result in removal. It has zero chance of passing either house of congress. It just ends up being an ineffective gesture. Save it for when you have some chance of actually changing something.
Trying for impeachment is still doing something as opposed to sitting around waiting for someone else to do the job.
Let’s say my family is massively in debt. All the other members of my family are trying to find work, or going to local food banks, or planning a budget.
Meanwhile, I am using my time to scrounge in thrift stores and rub every lamp I can find to try to find a genie and magically wish everything better.
You may think my actions are useless, and a waste of time, and that I’m childish for believing it will accomplish anything; but I’m “still doing something as opposed to sitting around” and that makes it OK, right?
Fuck that.
Of course it has no chance of passing. That has absolutely no bearing on future attempts to impeach the dictator which also will have no chance of passing.
But you know what voting against it does? It tells the American People that the democrats in office support trump completely shitting on everything and unilaterally joining israel in a war.
And how is doing nothing any better? We are literally on the precipice of authoritarianism yet we are still trying to find the right time. People are literally getting picked up off the streets, we are baselessly bombing countries for Israel, we have the national guard and Marines being sent to cities, we are imposing tariffs on our allies, the president is actively and blatantly accepting bribes, we have an incompetent cabinet that is dismantling everything they see, we have a “big beautiful bill” that will ruin people’s lives, we had DOGE hijack all of our data, we have tourists being detained for social media posts, we have people being detained for their free speech, and we have masked men pointing guns at citizens that refuse to identify themselves. So, when is the right time? Is it when it specifically affects them for once? Because if they have to wait that long than we are all fucked.
And why does it have zero chance? Could it be because they oppose it, instead of supporting it? Imagine all Democrats stood together on this and they could get a few Reps over. Even if it would fail, they would send a signal of unity and standing up for what is right, which could get them back some voters the disgruntled with the whole genocide and appeasing fascism thing.
But no, they double down on it.
It has zero chance because while is there is already plenty that Trump could be impeached on, and I wish he were, this particular thing is not one of them.
And why does it have zero chance?
Gerrymandering in the House and vote caging in the Senate, combined with a media that’s the mouthpiece of genocidal billionaires, guarantee Republicans a permanent advantage in Congress no matter how unpopular their leadership becomes.
Imagine all Democrats stood together on this and they could get a few Reps over.
Hardly have to image. That’s exactly what occurred in 2019 and 2021. All the Republicans who defected got primaried out and replaced with MAGAts. Dems who played footsie with your Liz Cheneys and Jeff Flakes ended up poisoning their own electoral campaigns and losing supporters. The horse trading between centrist Dems and Repubs backfired colossally, as the legislature could only do shit people hated, while Nancy and Chuck whined about needing bipartisanship to Beat Trump.
Then Biden took office, Merrick Garland refused to press charges of any sort, and Trump scampered off Scott free to run again in four years.
It passed the House last time. He’s slowly losing the support of the Republicans. It could pass the Senate.
All signs are that he still has enough dirt and genuine threats to browbeat the republicans when it matters. There is a lot of argument toward making him do that rather than just assuming he will but that would involve the fucking democrats doing anything.
The only “hope” will be IF we have fair midterm elections and there is a blue wave. Suddenly “only trump can get you reelected” will be forgotten (or, more pointedly, they’ll remember how he has never been able to do that…) and it will just be the die hards who know there is footage of them doing Whatever in moscow.
Fucking traitors
Fucking useless.
The law is clear. It doesn’t matter if it’s politically convenient or likely to succeed. If the President breaks the law, which Trump clearly has, they must be impeached.
2025 America is a post-law country.
At least for the rich and powerful
Always been for the rich and powerful, 2025 isn’t new territory for them.
It’s new that they aren’t even pretending to play by the same rules
That’s fair!
The law means nothing if you’re not willing to enforce it.
They removed David Hogg from his position but vote to keep trump in his.
Hogg is a threat to the oligarchy whereas Trump, the entire Republican party, and most of the Democratic party are complicit in supporting it.
Roll call for this vote if you want to see how your representative voted and perhaps give them some feedback.
Nice so the site is down now what a joke
AOC isn’t on the list?
She is. Nay vote
So she voted No to impeach? Fucking for real.
no, the vote was whether to ignore the impeachment, so “no” is the correct vote here
I’m confused… all the Republicans voted nay? What am I missing?
Not sure what’s going on with that website–maybe it going down earlier messed things up? Here’s another (much easier to read) source which corroborates the original article: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/119-2025/h175
This was a vote to table. A no vote is a vote for impeachment, or at least continue the process toward it.
I see her down in the O’s with a Nay vote. (Which, confusingly, is a vote in favor of impeachment, as the vote was to table the motion.)
It seems like either they changed the page, or everyone is having trouble reading it (or maybe I am?). Here’s AOC’s vote on that page, listed as “Yea” for “motion to adjourn”.
The “Nay” vote is listed as winning, but everything about this feels backward, so I’m not sure what to make of it.
They’re no longer serving up the correct vote. The vote to table the impeachment was roll call #175, you can see the number in the URL. It looks like they’re now showing the votes for roll call #178, a vote to adjourn.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
Every Yea an enemy of the rule of law
That’s confusing, given all Republicans voted Nay.
Alternative link corroborating the original article: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/119-2025/h175
I’m not sure what’s going on with the first link, but that website is impossible to navigate for me.
Holy crap - We have complicit Oligarchs and not a opposition party. We as the kids say - are cooked.
What exactly do you think the impeachment inquiry will accomplish with a Republican house and senate majority?
The same thing democrats accomplished when they had majorities in both houses. Keeping excuse makers busy.
Service unavailable on my end. I assume due to high demand, not censorship. I hope so at least.
Honestly at this point I feel like censorship is more likely than not.
They need their heads examined
They need their heads something, to unsociopathy them
The political system is completely fucked. A 3rd party might help, but it seems fairly inevitable that they too will become like the democrats as financial interests and lobbying corrupt them against the will of the working class. I think going grassroots with direct action is currently the best way to both resist, and build horizontal decentralized power that isn’t prone to corruption.
- find local communities and get involved to make connections
- We can effect things drastically with a general strike. This targets the establishment’s income streams, and can bring a fascist government to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
- Contact a union and attempt to unionize your workplace so that the general strike is even more effective (plus, ya know, better pay and working conditions as a bonus!)
This method would not only work in the US, but anywhere in the world.
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- Continuing to participate in publicly visible resistance demonstrations like 50501 to encourage others to stand up with you and prove to that there are millions of others who will join them in the fight. A large part of Nazi Germany’s success in taking over the country was a lack of massive public demonstrations against the new regime, making people feel helpless and afraid to take a stand.
If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Look at how effective these methods were when used in Chile in 2019.. If we completely reject the political system and rebel on a mass scale, there is NOTHING they can do to stop us.
Oh yeah cause it went so well for Chile. There was a government turnover and it fragmented the political parties so much that no one can agree on anything anymore.
Oh and the new people in power are learning by improvising.
Source: I am from Chile.
I don’t disagree that it ended badly, but had the movement not been pacified by the government’s bait of reform and a new constitution, it could’ve been revolutionary.
Your people showed the incredible potential of collective power and collective civil disobedience. The documentary shows both the victories, and the failures to learn from, just as Hong Kong did.
Oh yeah cause it went so well for Chile.
Coups can be resisted.
If by coup you mean the rich trying to get richer, yeah the resistance worked.
The problem came afterwards, when the people were handed the power to actually change something it became a circus.
No I meant the literal cia-backed coup
How much proof do you need to understand they are working in concert to usher in an imperial fascist police state. The Democrats don’t oppose the Republicans, they oppose YOU. To them, YOU are the threat.
I think, given the huge leap you’ve made, I’m gonna need a little more proof.
Hanlon says hello.
[Looks at Congress not doing shit to Trump’s constant misuse of his powers]
Yeah sure, big leap. I’m sure they’re actually working on stopping him out of public view, just trust them to do the right thing next time.
In the context of defending our country from the ongoing fascist takeover, Democrats being too stupid to understand that they need to do something about it might be worse than actively supporting it so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
If Democrats had actual power to do something about it then you’d have a great argument, but they’ve had 50 or less in the senate for more than a decade and Trump is in power with a plurality election result.
Even the impeachment trial never would have convinced 20 GOP senators to cross the aisle to remove Dump from office, it’s better to save it for later.
Stop making excuses. They have the filibuster and have used it once, against nothing.
They voted to remove David Hogg but not trump.
Oh good to know the mods removed my comment talking about a troll. Good to know they stand with trolls when it benefits them .
Banjo is nothing but excuses for his favorite team color. Reminds me of Trump loyalist brainrot.
Hence why I won’t be voting for my Dem Rep in the next election we may have. Fuck that collaborator bitch.
You think voting independent will help?
I think we’re beyond help.
Exactly. Best we can do is try to limit damage
Maybe those we elect should vote to limit damage then.
Voting for Dems demonstrably hasn’t helped. It would be a good idea to try a different tactic
Voting third party has a much stronger track record for not helping a damned thing
Well for a different tactic, how about supporting a more progressive candidate in the primary? Just look at the NYC mayoral primary that just happened.
