What if you bomb the entrances?
It would help to some extent, but they’d have to keep bombing the facility consistently - and indefinitely - to keep it out of service.
Seems to me, like there is EXTREMELY, next to zero, or perhaps zero reason to ever HAVE to use a nuke. Nuke’s should be a defensive deterrent, not a first choice. I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
If you are not ready to use a nuke ever, it stops being a deterrent. Game theory.
But this situation is not the kind where a nuke is used as a deterrent. If Israel was saying they’re sorry and asking for ceasefire, while Iranians would be absolutely destroying what remains of it and not listening, then yes.
Or, if Iran had a nuke and Israelis were succeeding in destroying Iran.
But neither are true.
I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
The other option is the GBU-57 bunker buster bombs, which is what they used - but a single bomb like that isn’t capable of reaching deep enough on its own. So they had to use a significant portion of their stockpile to achieve their objective that way.
The alternative would have been to drop in special forces and have them break into the heavily defended facility the traditional way.
There are 13k ton bombs that can penetrate pretty deep dropped by B2 bombers, which might be headed to the ME right now.
The B2s will be flown into Diego Garcia. The only time they will be in the middle east is if they are over a target. Hopefully they stay in Diego Garcia.
Oh honey, read some of the norbert weiner nuke cult guys, and their Soviet counterparts.
This is a rabbit hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
If this series of murderous far right zionist military adventures proves anything, its that American politicians will ho themselves down any hole.
And have before, but some of them are…
None of us really have any power to change what’s coming. It is what it is.
I like to take comfort in the fact climate change is going to collapse civilization and drive the human race to functional extinction anyway, so none of this really matters.
Let the nukes fly. Better to die in a fireball than from starvation.
LFG.
Someone got a few inches away from changing it, fwiw. Get your ecofascist doomer shit out of here.
I would have to think using nukes on a country that doesn’t have nuclear power would be a slam dunk illegal order. Like, I mean, if he says to do it, the guys that make that happen, top to bottom, should say, “No, this is an illegal order, and i am not going to follow it.”
If such an order is followed and nothing is forthcoming from some checking force in the federal government, I think i may have lost faith in humanity as a concept. This is the great filter. Can we be trusted as a species?
Upfront: it should be obvious that no sane person wants us to drop a nuke or thinks there’s any connotation of “okay” to any aspect of it.
Why do you think it would be an illegal order? There are very clear rules on what makes an order legal or not and, horribly, attacking a nation that poses no real threat isn’t on the list. What nations we attack is a policy matter, and the rules are very clear that the military doesn’t get a say in policy.
Explicitly targeting civilians for a strike on a city is where the line would be. Targeting something else in the city and deciding the civilians are acceptable collateral damage is right on the line. Legally, it’s entirely unambiguously evil morally.There are checks that keep the president from unilaterally launching a nuke. Unfortunately, the intent of those is to ensure the president is legally competent and actually the president, not to ensure he’s wise or rational.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering
The system has been explicitly designed to minimize the risk of conscience preventing a launch. Issue training orders where the firing crews have no idea if it’s real or not. Keep them on two week rotations where they don’t have access to the outside world so they wouldn’t know. Specifically select for people who will follow the order because it’s validcand legal, without considering the greater context. People who are legitimately confused but ultimately unconcerned with protests against them specifically doing what they do, including clergy from their own religion. (Actual story of an ICBM operators reaction to nuns protesting and attempting to block access to the missile site he was stationed at)
There is no doubt in my mind that if the order were given and the VP and cabinet didn’t remove him, that the order would be followed.
I mean, technically, Congress has to declare wars. But no president cared about this since WW2
I suppose what I mean is that he doesn’t just have a big red button on his desk labeled Iran that he can press when he chooses.
We’ve stood up a system over many years, and he’s just barrelled through every norm/law/etc. up to and including having his sentence reduced to 0 on felonies, simply because he’s a politician. If we cannot protect ourselves from this man launching a nuclear weapon, or even hold him responsible, then we don’t deserve to survive beyond our planet and the resulting catastrophic collapse of society may be the best thing for the universe overall.
If we cannot […] hold him responsible
Is him launching (or ordering to launch) a nuke considered as an official act? Just asking…
People think everything they don’t like is illegal.
Don’t get me wrong, it should be illegal to do a preemptive nuclear strike, it just sadly isn’t.
It might not be feasible for the entire chain to have the information needed to make that call, but there is definitely someone in military authority positioned to know if it’s defensive or offensive, and that person should be both allowed and obligated to refuse the order if it’s an offensive strike.
Morality and the law may not be equivalent, but it would certainly be more convenient if they were closer.
Yeah no hipocrisy and double standards whatsoever /s
It is so odd that this info being publicized…
They are trying to scare Iran into giving into what they want.
He thinks this is a genius plan.
It’s stupid.
He will chicken out and give the nukes to them… And call it the most brilliant thing anyone has ever done
they just want to test how much public outcry there would be
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Don’t worry guys we’re not going to war.
Too late, we’ve been at war for a long time.
Bring your steam decks
Lan party?
Well im not.
Dumbo with the big ears is pulling the strings of the empty-headed Scarecrow.
Well, they did it. Now Iran will lash out and close the straits of Hormuz. It’s the only threat that they can carry out now…
US Reportedly Assesses It Would Need to Drop Nuclear Bomb to Destroy Iran Nuclear Facility
Well, they did it.
No they didn’t. It was conventional bombs, not nuclear.
Sorry forgot about the nuclear bit of the bomb. Regardless, I want to be drafted into the psychic corps for the upcoming world war regardless of talent
…and we’ll sink the ships, and have dogfights over the sea, and it will escalate, and hello World War 3!
I was hoping they could wait a few more years so I’d be too old to be drafted, but looks like I’ll be twerking in Tehran
No, resist the draft. Drafts are evil, do ANYTHING to avoid fighting a MAGA War. My son is the perfect draft age, and he is NEVER going to fight for MAGA. If they want it so bad, the MAGAs can sacrifice their own.
Get a doctor to say your son has bone spurs.
I checked if this was the onion after reading the title
Western humanity at play
Humanity? I didn’t have a say in any of this shit.
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time? I’ve even heard “the hubris of the west”. No, fuck that, the hubris of the few in the West.
Do you realize there’s more going on than the US over here? If you mean the US administration, then say the US administration. Why involve everyone else?
Why involve everyone else?
Because your administration is elected. Westerners like to say “but we don’t support this!!!” but somehow manage to justify almost every individual act of imperialism. Afghanistan? Check. Iraq? Check. Everything Israel has been doing for the last 60 years? Check. An actual, honest to God Holocaust? Check*. Jury’s still out on Iran, but I’m not hopeful. I was called a Russian troll more times than I can count on Lemmy, a supposedly left-leaning space, for pointing out Biden’s complicity and Harris’s support for Israel’s genocide. I remember the reaction to Uncommitted. So to answer your question:
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time?
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
*this one with lesser evil politics rather than outright support, but that distinction matters very little.
Because your administration is elected
I’m Mexican. My administration is at best getting dragged down into this. I mean, our democracy is stronger than it has ever been and directly opposes 47.
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
Not my tax dollars, not my politicians, not my elections.
In that case Mexico isn’t part of the political bloc known as the West, so it’s not included when I or someone else says Western this or Westerners that.
I’m not about to start splitting hairs about which definition to use for the West. Although it largely depends on how the West is defined, most often than not we’re included in the Western civilization by cultural and political overlap, and also by proximity.
And even if you don’t consider us part of the West, I will speak out on behalf of the rest of Latin American continent that, save for whatever the hell is happening with Bukele kissing fash ass, they’ve largely kept out of things and they are unquestionably part of the Western bloc proper.
Lumping people together like this is just gross. It’s much like when people call all Asians Chinese because they can’t bother with the differences and it just sounds inappropriate.
Okay here’s one way to see if you’re from the West: Is your media manufacturing consent for a war with Iran? Does your country consider Israel an indispensable ally? Are you ramping up or being asked to ramp up defense spending to respond to the Russian threat? Did you send troops to Afghanistan? Did your country impose non-UN sanctions on Iran? Does the Middle East form an important part of your country’s foreign policy?
If the answer to all or most of these is no, you are not part of the West, or at least not in a way that is relevant to this conversation.
Lumping people together like this is just gross.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
Those are questions to determine if you’re at war with Iran.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
We have done quite a few, actually. That’s my entire point.
I get tired of people in the US and in Europe always flexing on others and always playing the moral high ground. Of course, this is not everyone but I see it enough.
Meanwhile, many of these people cheer for Israel and other western countries whenever in a conflict and always make excuses for why it’s “good”.
I will admit, looking at the polls people seem to finally be shifting away from some of these notions.
I know I threw a slogan out, so I won’t actually blame everyone, but some acknowledgement of the wrongs would be nice by those who insist the west is better than everyone else.
Trump is as dumb as a sack of hammers, and he’s looking for a nail. He just wants to treat nukes like playthings, a rich man’s flex. Just to say he did. Like a canned trophy hunt of a Lion from the safety of helicopters and trucks with everyone around him at his paid service. No risk, no personal jeopardy. Drop the bomb for lols just to experience the fact he did it and will brag about it.
If he drops a nuke, he instantly becomes the most dangerous man in history, they only guy willing to use a nuke for normal war purposes (for which there are nearly infinite alternative options), and to flex his ego (which has no limit). Now when he threatens a country, they will have to believe him, because he’s done it before.
With that in mind, I would think nearly every nation with a highly organized covert intelligence service would decide that it’s time to remove that threat from the planet.
Hey guys, how about we nuke the wind?
US reportedly also forgets the arithmetic of AD and MD efficiency, and the fact that there are countries capable of nuking it in response, and in case it uses a nuke against Iran those will multiply like mushrooms after a rain.
If they use a nuke on Iran then Russia will start popping a bunch of them on Ukraine. Maybe that’s Putin’s plan all along, get Trump to drop a nuke so it becomes a free for all.
Anyways, hope you know where your nuclear shelter is and you like canned food and iodine tablets.
I live in Russia, in Moscow, in a kinda golden (in Stalin’s time) place, so the shelter is right under me, its ventilation shaft exit is near the playground.
The problem is - nobody knows how the hell do you get in.
I do like canned food. I even had a small stockpile in 2022 when I thought things had gotten real and it’s time to prepare. Have eaten through it.
If it becomes a free for all, though, hiding from the physical effects will be easier than hiding from the social ones.
You should start taking notes where D6 is and how to enter, so you can take out the Dark Ones when they appear twenty years down the line.
I even know of one possible entrance, but the building above it I hate with passion, I’d need a flamethrower.
What do those acronyms mean
Air defense, missile defense
Pakistan saying they would nuke Israel if Israel nuked Iran probably was the only thing holding Israel back from pulling the trigger. If there was ever a group of people who should never be permitted to have nuclear weapons, its the Israelis.
