I’m Jewish and have been told very angrily that I killed Jesus more than once. It’s fun.
Is it really a funny as chopping off the foreskins of children though ?
Are you making the extremely bigoted assumption that just because I’m Jewish I’m in favor of circumcision?
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I made a comment, on a thread.
A thread where, at the top, I said I was Jewish.
So, I reiterate- are you making the assumption that Jews are all in favor of circumcision?
It’s really not about you, as keen as you are for it to be so.
I ask you again: are you making the assumption that Jews are all in favor of circumcision?
Jews. Not just me.
Why are you harassing me ?
I don’t think asking you to clarify is harassment, but I guess you don’t want to clarify, and I think I know why, so I won’t continue the discussion.
The other guy is probably being a bit over the top, but your initial comment was kinda anti-Semitic, no?
Like, if I was reading a comment thread about black people and responded, “but is it as funny as eating fried chicken and watermelon,” I don’t think someone would be out of line saying, “are you asserting that all black people just eat fried chicken and watermelon?”
And then saying the thread isn’t about them isn’t exactly absolving the initial comment is it? The comment would still be racist, no?
Idk man, that guy got disproportionately hot about it I think, but your initial comment was a bit rough too, right?
You have people like this saying actual antisemitic shit over and over and over again and they are elected to office.
And then it’s people that want the country of Israel, to at least pretend to try to not kill scores of civilians and they get called antisemitic.
That is entirely Israel’s fault. I say that as a Jew.
My work often takes me to the Antwerp diamond quarter (especially the vault buildings) and the sentiment I see there is that your general Jewish person facepalms every time they hear Israel is in the news again and they aren’t happy this makes life more difficult for them by simple association. Most of these people just want to live their lives and have no association, fealty or favor for the country of Israel, beyond the area it resides in hosting holy sites.
Dunno about the traditionally dressed Hasidic Jews in Antwerp though, I’ve been in and around the Diamond Quarter for 25 years now and I don’t think I’ve ever even got as much as a hello or acknowledgement of existence from any of them walking down the street. They seem to be a rather insular bunch.
Ironically, a lot of Orthodox Jews are anti-Zionists for religious reasons. There are even Hasidic groups that do not recognize Israel as a nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism#Groups_which_do_not_recognize_Israel
So they seem to be the good kind of insular. Live and Let Live.
Pretty much. That and they’re the sort of “I’m an evangelical Christian because my mother was and her mother was” types and don’t think much more about it than that.
To MTG: you’re white and white people owned slaves, so you’re directly responsible for slavery.
I’d believe it for MTG. She certainly seems the type to want to return to “the old ways”.
Part of me wants to make a joke about it being the Italians, but no, this is serious antisemitism and it cannot be taken lying down or joking.
Those of us who are not Jewish need to be preparing to fight the antisemites in whatever ways we must to ensure the safety and security of our neighbors.
Channeling her inner Mel Gibson
But if Jesus wasn’t killed, Christians would be doomed, so why are you mad that he was killed?
Probably not doomed. Their god would just not sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself that people no longer needs to perform blood sacrifices to get themselves undoomed. Not much would change, we’d be having a pagan Easter with chocolate eggs and no religious connotations, and some people would burn a lamb or turkey every once in a while.
I wonder whats her stance on Israel/Palestine war after saying this stuff
Not the ideal way to get her cancelled but I’m not complaining.
In my mind was MTG, “Magic The Gathering”. And I was highly concerned what they are up to again.
“Christians” have been systematically mis-interpreting their bible for centuries.
Here is the Complete Jewish Bible’s rendition of a particular phrase used in Revelations, which implies, clear as day, that “those who call themselves Christians, but are a temple of _________” is equally valid
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=call+themselves+jews&version=CJB
“Christians” read John, read that he called benJoseph :“rabbi”, repeatedly, read that benJoseph called biblical-legalists “Hypocrites!” repeatedly, and ?won’t? understand that John was criticizing the “Jews”, ( with falsifying-quotes, which hadn’t been invented yet ), and not Jews,
and instead of accepting that John was criticizing/attacking the false “Jews”, the biblical-legalists who contempted everything in Isaiah & legally convicted benJoseph to get rid of him,
…they went around murdering Jews ( the Catholic Inquisition was waging war against both women & Jews, ttbomk ).and had the gall to be doing it, in their words, “in the name of the king of Jews”.
Ideological-gymnastics, not proper reasoning, right?
IF the repeated-throughout-scripture claim that God/OceanOfAllAwakeSouls provides help at every change between Ages
( between Age of Taurus & Age of Aries was Moses,
between Age of Aries & Age of Pisces was benJoseph,
one might presume that benDavid would be now-ish,
& Metatron/Alpha+Omega would then be at the punctuation between the Age of Aquarius & the Age of Capricorn )
if that promised-help is true/real, then the false-Jews, false-Christians, false-Muslims, false-Buddhists, false-Hindus, etc, would be walking into a kind of trap: what they’re sowing, they’re going to be reaping, aka Karma, involuntarily & … rather-long-term, right?
My apologies to you for being accused by “Christians”, & others, who reject the actual-evidence available before their own eyes.
If it’s any consolation, the rabid on this world, who worship their-own-ideology/prejudice,
instead of what the various scriptures were alluding-to,
would seem to be the vast majority of the world’s population, which is going to be making the rest of this century turn into an ocean of attrition, on all sides.
Nobody’s going to be escaping the lesson.
Any remnant of humanity who survives, is going to be profoundly changed by the experience of what’s being set-up, these years.
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I’d like to not be reminded that this cunt exists and got breezed into Congress. We know anything she does and says is blunt catering to the psychos in the country.
Jesus was a Jew named Joshua who was against money lending in the temple.
That’s the historically accurate Jesus though, and not the M16 wielding anti-Semite white Jesus, who’s look seems to say “WTF IS A KILOMETER!!!” as eagles swoop on high.
You know, fake Jesus.
The amount of dumb in that assertion.
It hurts my head.
I thought you meant the card game…
Blame the website, I just had to use the same headline. There was another article with a better headline, but as it was from the Times of Israel, I thought that it would be better to not give them advertising revenue.
It is perpetually disappointing the extent to which so many people who claim to be Christians fail to understand even the CliffsNotes version of the Gospel.
Jesus’ arrest was probably bound to happen sooner or later though. As noted Biblical scholar Andrew Zaltzman has often pointed out, Pontius Pilate was a law and order administrator, and Jesus was absolutely guilty under the law at the time.
Tbh, Jesus probably didnt exist anyways.
They started writing about him almost 100 years after his supposed death, and AFAIK theres zero proof outside the bible that he existed.
The earliest set of Pauline epistles have a consensus dating around 50, 20 years after the nominal death of Jesus.
The gospel of Mark has consensus dating to 70, 40 years after the nominal death of Jesus.
Multiple Jewish and Roman historians wrote about the existence of Jesus, who weren’t all getting their information from the Bible. There is a long and well-sourced Wikipedia article on this.
Apparently, Christians are not the only ones who lack basic knowledge about the history of Jesus …
Neat theory
This is patently false and easily disprovable with a cursory google. Please do not spread misinformation.
Prove it instead of casting doubt.
You’re the wrong party here, your search will prove it.
Tacitus mentions Christian’s and their namesake. He mentions Pontus.
He does not mention these things together as a cohesive event.
He is writing about something else.
However, Tacitus does not reveal the source of his information. There are several hypotheses as to what sources he may have used.
buddy, if scholars past and present piled opprobrium on Voltaire for doubting it’s authenticity, what hope do you have?
Not only does this link and the other link youve been given provide many historical sources and discussions, but they also then lead to other sources.
The burden of proof lies with you invalidating hundreds of sources over thousands of years. Don’t act like I’m the one with a crackpot theory.
Let’s compare like for like - what link with a reasonable amount of scholastic cachet can you provide to back up your theory?
It’s not a crackpot theory it’s just one that doesn’t hold up to the smell test.
A man mentions tangentially three things and history decides that’s enough corroboration.
He wasn’t alive at the time, he doesn’t mention what his source is and he is writing about something else.
Buddy if we collected nickels from anthropologists every time they got something wrong we’d all be rich.
Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, and the idea that Jesus was a mythical figure has been consistently rejected by the scholarly consensus as a fringe theory.
Scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the biblical accounts, with only two events being supported by nearly universal scholarly consensus: Jesus was baptized and Jesus was crucified
I asked for you to provide some kind of proof.
You provided a statement that scholars have faith.
I am being serious here, where is the contemporary record of Jesus existing?
There isn’t any and even the discussions in the wiki on the historicity of jesus are full of arguments to authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-Jesus_existed-4
It can be summed up as, “People who have made their livelihood around a potentially fictitious persons of history all claim that said person exists because reasons.”
this conversation is split into so many parts im just trying to chase down this one key point: it’s not enough to say “well I don’t believe them” - I want to be proved wrong here, for my own education. But I want to be proved wrong - with proof. Not just a throwaway comment of “they have not met my (undefined, and unexplained) threshold of proof”
What do you have to show that Jesus didnt exist as a real human? That isn’t your own belief or thought process as your primary source?
I’m leaving this one to the experts. If you don’t believe the them that’s up to you to prove. I personal don’t believe either of us is more informed than they are.
I would argue that both of us ought to be smart enough to be able to look at the “proof” and recognize a lot of it is personal faith.
You believe what you want.
Check the talk page on that (and similar) articles. There are some very zealous editors making sure that they come down harder than the sources really support on the “everyone definitely agrees that he existed” side of the argument…
So…
- A preacher lived around that time.
- His name was ridiculously common.
- He was baptized.
- He was crucified.
Notably NOT:
- He was born of a Virgin.
- He was the son of a supernatural deity.
- He performed supernatural acts.
- He was resurrected.
To call this “Historical Jesus” is misleading at best. It is reasonable to say DOZENS of people fit that description.
Let’s try the same argument today… “A preacher named John was baptized and later was convicted of serious crimes and sentenced by a judge.” How many fit this description? Isn’t it more likely true than false? What does that prove?
This whole argument tries to equate mundane statistics with miracles. It adds nothing to any reasonable discussion outside of post-hoc theological justification.
What makes a better lie:
- A 100% fabrication
- A lie that selects elements from reality, and invents parts of the whole story
Muhammad was also a known historical figure, as was Joseph Smith.
I don’t think anyone here claimed historical Jesus was the son of the magical sky wizard.
Some folk heros are based on historical people; some aren’t.
The thing is that people are basing the magical sky wizards manifesting himself as his son as this “Jesus” character they’ve made up and have decided existed in the way they pretend because there is some tangential corroboration somewhere.
This. Why don’t these people understand that Jesus died for EVERYONE’S sins?
WE ALL KILLED JESUS. Accept Him and repent.I never asked him to do that and I don’t particularly want to go to an afterlife filled with sanctimonious Christians, so I’ll take the L, thanks.
Valhalla seems pretty chill, I’ll look forward to seeing you there… or maybe I’ll go chill with my pa in the sky people’s city. Honestly, I think I’d probably want to be an afterlife tourist… I wonder how early I need to book that.
Speak for yourself.
Make me, pussy.
You gotta be mentally ill to believe this shit.
Seriously. This guy is probably a dirty Trumpster, too.
If Jesus died for our sins then we’re letting him die in vain by not sinning.
sin for Jesus friend.
I’m going to spill my seed for Christ.
Na
I never killed anyone though. That’s just emotional manipulation.
What you don’t think you’re a sinner for checks notes being born.
I feel like the stigma of sin is vastly overplayed when it’s just an element of being human. Adultery and murder are the same as existing? Alrighty, almighty!
Sounds like you’re not very good at being a zombie or a pirate then.
In a wider sense, just by shopping in the supermarket or owning a cellphone, you are participating in worldwide exploitation and mass murder.
You all can have your little LARP and potluck, but kindly leave the rest of us the fuck out of it. I get that the world sucks and thinking someone will give you cookies for taking all the shit rich folks pile on you day after day is appealing, but it’s just excusing your own exploitation. I’m not about that life.
Also, without Jesus’ arrest and crucifixion, he wouldn’t have died and been resurrected, saving everyone’s souls. So shouldn’t Marjorie be thanking Jews for that?
And when the flying spaghetti monster flew out of his butthole and pasta for our sins we were saved a second time. Making humans the most saved beings in this universe at least.
That was only yesterday, image what his Noodly One will do today.
All in the span of 5,000 years, too.
To be fair, we probably needed it.
Jesus was absolutely guilty under the law at the time.
Guilty of what? Insulting the Jewish Religion and trying to reform it? That wasn’t a crime in the Roman Empire.
