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how will landlords who own all the buildings in business districts get paid, then? do you want their properties to stay empty? do you just want them to starve?
Just an FYI, most commercial real estate is owned by massive corporations because they’re the only ones with enough money to build and own skyscrapers. Most mom and pop landlords are residential and they own 4 units or less. It’s very rare for an average, even a wealthy average person to own more than a couple of commercial properties that they rent out. Corporate landlords are very much a big reason why WFH isn’t the standard.
yah, because I’m not working lol
I work longer hours at home pretty often. At 5 I leave office to make sure my 1.25-1.5 hour drive gets me home at a decent time, and to make sure I miss the worst traffic which I feel happens between 5:30 and 6.
At home I can just keep working, load up a game on my other monitor but keep working open too,and switch between doing some minor game stuff and back to work. I have a game up now at 7 and wrapped up my notes quite comfortably.
I’m also more alert at home because I sleep in more, getting about an hour more sleep.
It’s also nice eating out of your own fridge, using your own toilet, and everything else.
from a “managing people” standpoint it’s a little easier (at least in my field) too, because it becomes obvious when someone’s product is shit if I’m paying attention
also i really like shitting at home
Bidet, and that’s all I’ll say
A moist towelette, that’s all you’ll get
Agreed, thanks COVID(I guess?)
I could tolerate going in to the office if I had my own bathroom.
Too bad that happiness is banned in the USA…
What a silly thing to say. It’s merely prohibitively expensive. I mean, reasonably priced and readily available for those that deserve it.
D E S E R V E
All in a monthly subscription service.
I thought it was a pay-per-smile subscription…
Oooh we didn’t think of that. We just changed it to a subscription that you then also pay an a la carte fee for. This is somehow better for the consumer because of reasons.
To be fair the pursuit of happiness in and of itself is an uncatchable carrot used to push the capitalist agenda. Happy moments are like sprinkles on a doughnut, few and far between. Contentment is what we should really be shooting for.
Happiness breeds self esteem, self esteem breeds confidence, confidence breeds learning. Education, confidence, self esteem, and happiness are all antithetical to fear and obedience. We’re much easier to rule if we’re stressed out. Plus, the real reason for return to office is real estate value. It has nothing to do with worker morale or productivity.
Yea sucks, they banned compassion and kindness too
For 4 years we studied water and came to the conclusion that water is made of water. And it is liquid. And wet. But we aren’t sure about wetness because of some intricate terminology nuances.
Maybe for most people. I start getting a little too suicidey when I spend too many days working from home.
That sounds like you are using work as a replacement for whatever it is missing in your personal life. Nothing stopping you from going to do things outside of work hours.
No, I do stuff after work. My job is just stressful as fuck and being able to move around and bs with my coworkers helps with that. When I’m WFH I’m stuck at my desk all day and that stress just piles up.
I loved working most days until 12 or 1 in the office, coming home and refocusing on “my” part of my workday. Just enough office, not too much. Sadly now I am glued into a windowless room with a camera on me. Major dissatisfaction, huh.
Yeah I actually do that at my current job. WFH the first hour or so, leave after traffic is down, work from the office until 2ish and leave before afternoon traffic starts up, then wrap things up at home while I prep to workout. That flexibility is one of the only reasons I’m not looking to move unless there’s a huge raise in it for me. The job sucks otherwise.
That’s why they want to put a stop to it. You’re not allowed to be happy.
Haha! Now if only the point of work was to make you happy! If research showed it made your boss wealthier then everyone would be WFH tomorrow!
It DOES make them wealthier. Since productivity isn’t lost while employees WFH, that means that they get the same results while saving money from having costs associated with office space like rent, utilities, furnishing, and maintenance. The reason why they don’t do it is because the rich hate it is because office real estate is a business worth billions and they’re all invested in it. They’re so greedy and out of touch, they’d make up any lie to demonize WFH.
It also makes employees wealthier… Think of all the money you flush down the drain making your car move from home to the office and back again… Just that alone is easily thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars per year, depending on your vehicle and type of fuel, efficiency, etc.
Everyone wins except the real estate owners and their stakeholders, which, as you astutely pointed out, are the business owners. Rent is a way for them to essentially launder money into their own pockets. They legitimately pay their office rent, and a chunk of that comes back to them in dividends from the land owning company.
It’s a club, and you ain’t in it.
The capitalist club.
We’ve had this capacity for several decades now, and it seems ridiculous that our culture has not fully embraced it with open arms. If that’s not a sign that “we the people” aren’t running the show, I don’t know what is. Freedom my ass.
As someone who worked from home for almost a decade before being pulled into the office, I regularly got flack from my peers for it as well as older boomer types. IME, people who are forced into the office frequently feel a sense of “fairness” where they want everyone else to come in as well.
“If I have to be miserable, you should too”
I know a few boomers who are against it. They think that online work is not real work and that people who work remote are lazy bums who should get a “real job”. They’re the same type of people who went insane during the lockdowns instead of enjoying the free vacation.
Boomer here, software developer, I started fighting the telecommuting battle with managers in the early 90s. They’d say, “We need you here.” I’d ask, “Why? I can dial in. You have contractors in India you’ve never even met, and that works out fine.” “That’s different.” “How?” They never could come up with valid reasons why we really needed to physically be there, and would generally shut down the conversation with like, “Well, I can see we don’t agree on this.” Correct, and 30 years later they’re still making the same ludicrous arguments.
In my experience, after a little back and forth they realize they can’t win this on facts and just pull rank.
Yeah my boomer dad (materials scientist in the civilian nuclear sector) disagrees. He’s been working from home (and from vacations sometimes…) at least a few days a week for quite a while now, and his old boss was apparently saying that they were going to need to hire 3 people to replace him when he eventually retires.
FWIW I also know some elder millennials who are against it, but I’ve seen how they run their business and let’s just say I wouldn’t take advice from them.
Due to how isolating our culture and urban planning has become, a lot of people have started using their work as a replacement for their social life. Without it they realize just how caged they are under this system, so they refuse it. They think being given more free time and the ability to do work from the comfort of their own home is a bad thing because it takes away their social outlet.
People have to do what’s best for them. If they need to commute to a job to have a social life, let them. This is absolutely not a reason to force other people to do it.
Of course it isn’t but you are the one who said that it was ridiculous that we haven’t embraced it.
It isn’t ridiculous. It’s actually pretty expected of the society we have built to be against it. There are perfectly explainable reasons why we have yet to embrace it.
I don’t say this to tell you it shouldn’t change. I’m saying this to specifically highlight the things we need to change so that no one will be forced into doing it.
People do need to do what’s best, so we should probably fix things so that being forced to use office work as a replacement for a social life isn’t the best option people have available to them.
Well, it makes most of us happier. There was a minority of people who were very unhappy about remote working and who were eager for everyone to be forced back into the office. Not me, but there were some people.
I must say I am happiest with hybrid. As someone living alone I start to chew the furniture with my work happening in the same space as my leisure. I do love the flexibility, the fact that I can literally just make lunch and eat it rather than dealing with a wet lunchbox sandwich. But I do like to see other people, and an entirely remote lifestyle makes me go a little crazy
Respectable, I’m the opposite, whenever in at the office I feel like I’m clawing at the walls to get out as quickly as possible, the sweat, the noise, the people, it’s just not my thing, at home I live alone in a decently sized apartment in a non-major city and it feels so cash compared to rammed trains and buses commuting for hours and hours like the last chopper out of Saigon.
It was managers, especially middle-managers. And if they are not happy, no one can be happy. Too bad middle-managers are always unhappy.
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Plagiarizing. It’s spelled plagiarizing.
And yet we all still understood it somehow
I propose that the mods should take this post down, or at least point to the original post, that cmu.fr has obviously plagiarized.
Here is what seems to be the original post: https://indiandefencereview.com/theyve-observed-teleworking-for-four-years-and-reached-one-clear-conclusion-working-from-home-makes-us-happier/
The big difference is that the original article actually points to the study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35379616/ where as the cmu.fr plagiarized version makes no reference whatsoever to the study. Just vague slop about “scientists”.
That said, I think that even the original article miscaracterizes the paper. Here is the paper abstract:
Objectives: To investigate the impacts, on mental and physical health, of a mandatory shift to working from home during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Design: Cross sectional, online survey.
Setting: Online survey was conducted from September 2020 to November 2020 in the general population.
Participants: Australian residents working from home for at least 2 days a week at some time in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Main outcome measures: Demographics, caring responsibilities, working from home arrangements, work-related technology, work-family interface, psychosocial and physical working conditions, and reported stress and musculoskeletal pain.
Results: 924 Australians responded to the online questionnaire. Respondents were mostly women (75.5%) based in Victoria (83.7%) and employed in the education and training and healthcare sectors. Approximately 70% of respondents worked five or more days from home, with only 60% having a dedicated workstation in an uninterrupted space. Over 70% of all respondents reported experiencing musculoskeletal pain or discomfort. Gendered differences were observed; men reported higher levels of family to work conflict (3.16±1.52 to 2.94±1.59, p=0.031), and lower levels of recognition for their work (3.75±1.03 to 3.96±1.06, p=0.004), compared with women. For women, stress (2.94±0.92 to 2.66±0.88, p<0.001) and neck/shoulder pain (4.50±2.90 to 3.51±2.84, p<0.001) were higher than men and they also reported more concerns about their job security than men (3.01±1.33 to 2.78±1.40, p=0.043).
Conclusions: Preliminary evidence from the current study suggests that working from home may impact employees’ physical and mental health, and that this impact is likely to be gendered. Although further analysis is required, these data provide insights into further research opportunities needed to assist employers in optimising working from home conditions and reduce the potential negative physical and mental health impacts on their employees.
Keywords: COVID-19; mental health; risk management.
So, long story short: this article is slop, copied from another piece of slop that mischaracterized a study. Overall: meh.
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Always appreciate your posts!
Thanks, I missed the above reply, this was a crosspost, so I’ve broken that crosspost to change the link to something not plagiarized
With that, survey data are some of the poorest quality data.
And that study is based on surveys… Literally the lowest possible quality information metric.
This is what bombing those buildings in Fight Club was truly about!
The return to office mandate is such an annoyance. I hope companies who did it suffer because of it.
One of the top tech companies in my country mandated a return to office because the boss couldn’t stand that people were working from Bali instead of chatting with him at the office coffee machines in the cold Estonian winter.
Friend who works there says it’s up to the team leads and few want to enforce it and risk losing people. But the CEO got his article in the newspapers saying software engineers are all lazy entitled pieces of shit, which was his real goal. He hates paying people, but the company only gets top talent because of their salaries. Nobody goes there for “innovation” anymore now that it’s an established company.
