Mike Rowe.
Had a really good following when he did Dirty Jobs and then did a hard pivot to conservative, anti-union, pro-profiteering talking head.
In recent years, television personality Mike Rowe has amassed a wildly popular following due to alleged working-class straight talk about topics ranging from the affordability of college to reasserting a culture of pride in craftsmanship and labor. From his 5.2 million Facebook followers to his cable programs, his everyman schtick, on its surface, can be very appealing: after all, who doesn’t love a hard day’s work and loathe detached, ivory tower eggheads?
But hiding under his superficially appealing blue-collar façade is dangerous ideology, one funded by the Koch Brothers and other far-right, anti-labor corporate interests and specifically tailored to pick off a certain constituency of Home Depot Democrats while pushing political impotence, anti-union narratives and anti-intellectualism. Through a clever combination of working class affectation and folksy charm – often exploiting real fears about a decline in industrialization – Rowe has cultivated an image that claims to be pro-worker, but primarily exists to line the pockets of their boss.
Our guest is Street Fight Radio’s Bryan Quinby.
of course the Koch brothers involved, its either Koch, OR putin funded.
Thats why EVEYR SINGLE MENTION of “Soros!” has to be immediately responded with “Kochs”
doubt conservatives know who koch brothers are, they dont read too deep.
I have to agree with this. He has become such an asshole.
Anyone who does a “buy gold” commercial is instantaneously persona non grata for me. Such a remarkable litmus test. Mike Rowe is one of them.
Or the “Reverse Morgage” scam. Looking at you Tom Selleck!
No mustache can save you now
I like him. He feels like one of the only podcast guests out there who actually acknowledges that not everyone works in an office or a startup.
Evan from Behind the Bastards has the same attitude but with a political ideology that actually supports blue collar workers.
*Robert Evans.
Thank you. Corrected.
oh yea, we knew his allegience when trump won his 1st term, he gave the interview “its not so bad, and you should accept it” yea we know your trying to surgar coat your support for him.
when trump stole his 1st term
proven in court by the way
Sarah Silverman, said the palestinian babies need to die because theyll grow up to be terrorists then turned off comments for a year on ig, she said more than that had a whole tirade, ruined her. Shes back now pretending she didnt say anything, pr team put in work. My post on her reddit got deleted so I stopped caring about telling ppl, but this made me remember.
Really enjoyed the sarah silverman show, learning this and the cop in her show who was jimmy in bobs burgers went to the jan 6th riots really ruined it for me.
musk
There was a time when SpaceX and Tesla seemed like they were gonna change the world for the better, less co2, going to Mars and he even gave a few talks at astronomy events where he spoke about how carbon capture on Mars could be used to make rocket fuel (which is real and has been done btw) and bring starship rockets back, and how that same tech could be used on earth to help fight global warming. The future was gonna be amazing and I honestly believed he was gonna help make it happen
there’s a real reason marvel had him in iron man 2
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one about people saying how Elon never invented anything or founded anything and it was all a persona. I believed it though and all that climate change stuff I thought was genuine.
Yeah, I was never a true believer or fanboy, but back before he lost his mind and fired his PR department, I was cool with the electric cars, space exploration, solar roofs, trains, and even fun flamethrowers.
John Hamm
Why?
Does his last name really need two 'm’s?
Yes. Otherwise, it would be such a Ham.
The stuff that came out about his frat boy days
I have to give him his due. I just saw him playing a rich asshole in three different shows and he played them all differently. That’s good acting.
Warren Ellis, though his forum looked super cult-like even at the time. He seemed like one of the good guys.
I don’t follow other people’s private activities, but this one hurt a lot. He remains one of my favourite authors, and having him disappear from publishing leaves holes in my library (Trees and Injection, in particular).
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock. Guy isn’t a genuine role model anymore.
Yeah. He got slappy wid’ it.
Na-na na-na na na-na!
Pussy can make man crazy.
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock
Honestly even now the whole things looks so staged, almost like they were planning for it to be some kind of inside joke and it went wrong?? I just dont get it, never will.
Will smith was a role model?
He didn’t have to curse in his raps to sell records.
We’ll fuck him, and fuck you, too!
90s will Smith was the shit.
…and he used to be well respected, it’s so weird to see what has become of him lately.
Jim Carrey
What’d he do?
Anti-vaxxer.
But he despises trump, so at the moment, enemy of my enemy…
Anti-vaxxer.
Aw fuck are you serious??? Shitty.
Yeah, he’s super best buddies with Jenny McCarthy, and spouts the same nonsense she does.
Neil Gaiman
Gaiman stole all his best stuff from Tanith Lee.
She takes all the Disney princesses and rewrites them as evil; Cinderella is a witch who drives the Prince insane and Snow White is a vampire.
She’s not the only one to do that. Many people precede her, including Rice and Biegel. Same within the retelling of myths and legends. Writers have been doing that for decades. There’s no need to make stuff up, he’s a horrible person without made up nonsense.
If you read her you’ll see what I am talking about.
One good example. In her book ‘Death’s Master’ she came up with hte idea that Death and Delusion were relatives. He expanded on that idea with The Sandman.
too bad he really 2 good series going on, the series cancelled them both, not because of his sexual harrasment/assaults, now they cant continue due to publicity anyways.
Same
Came here for this one. Fuck “separate the art from the artist.” I will never read one of his books again.
If he wasn’t preachy/performative about his “feminism” it wouldn’t be as awful
Feminism is in quotes because IMO he doesn’t believe what he preaches
He believes it, he just doesn’t practice it.
Like most men in power, they use it as a way to get close to people they can assert their power or dominance over.
I think he believes he’s actually a feminist. it’s a subtle difference, but an important one. He genuinely believes he’s a good guy and the things he does helps more women than it hurts.
That’s why he’s a piece of shit and so dangerous. He believes his own lies.
Yep. And to think I used to admire him. I’ve had some modest success as a published science fiction and fantasy writer, and I specifically cited him as inspiration for one of my published stories.
Wish I could take it back.
Chuck Norris.
As a kid growing up in Texas in the 90s, Walker Texas Ranger was cool. Early internet memes about him were hilarious.
Then he said if he were elected president he would “Tattoo an American flag with the words, “In God we trust,” on the forehead of every atheist.”
Ever since I’ve been the killjoy, saying “fuck Chuck Norris” to anyone making a Chuck Norris is tough joke.
jackien chan, he went SHILLING FOR THE CCP sometime ago, and was ousted from HK film industry for that, and he couldnt even make it as a party member. i saw him making news again because he was in cobra kai, that isnt going to save his fame. also abandoned one of his daughters in canada with no money,.
I can’t even remember the last time someone said a chuck Norris joke…oh yeah it all died suddenly when he came out as an ultra Christian and revealed he didn’t understand how jokes work. He started correcting people that his tears do not actually cure cancer.
I think MySpace was still a thing back then.
What a bizarre moment that was.
Same deal with Steven Seagal, used to think he was a badass. Now the shitbag is clinking glasses with Putin and can totally still beat up multiple stuntmen.
You know who actually was a badass and didn’t say a goddamn word about it? Bob Ross. Most people don’t even know he spent years in an Air Force uniform before painting those happy little trees and trying to bring some joy to people.
Snoop Dogg. Black man playing songs at an orange man’s klan rally, at this point Martha Stewart is more gangster than he is.
By the same token, my respect for Kendrick went up 1000% after his halftime show.
Yup, coward has been in hiding since the first negative articles came out. Just another sad human showing his greed over what is right.
Hmm maybe there should be a new strain out there sold as Snoop Sellout Kush.
If I ran a grow op I’d name that strain and funnel the proceeds to help trans kids with counseling and support, just to point the middle finger directly at their latest boogeyman.
Shame since he’s been an icon for so long and helped a lot of kids with the football program, but I guess above a certain level of wealth the only religion you follow is money and everything else including morality is just an opportunity for profit.
I’m ok with people shutting the fuck up and disappearing when they get called out for being arseholes. In fact, I wish more people were capable of that.
I must have missed the latest Snoop Drama, but don’t bother to update me - I don’t care about Snoop. He always struck me as a dude that just constantly baked and will say yes to pretty much anything without too much scrutiny, so he can turn up pretty much ANYWHERE. That’s bound to backfire eventually.
Jack Black.
What’s wrong with Jack Black?
Mostly how he threw Kyle Gass under the bus over his Trump joke, cancelling the entire tour as well. Just so he can keep his trashy movie career going? Also he is in way too much stuff. Jack Black just doesn’t belong in Star Wars or Lord of the Rings … even when it’s just fan fiction.
Just read up on the trump comment. I understand Jack has this family friendly persona that he likes to keep. I don’t agree with cancelling the tour and putting creative plans on hold. But I can understand why he’d be instantly on damage control.
I share the same sentiment as Kyle. I really was saddened that the guy missed.
I really don’t get the family persona bit here. Yes, it’s “a thing”, but this happened at a Tenacious D concert. His definitively not child friendly persona singing songs like “Fuck her gently”.
Very true! But bigger picture, this gets reported on and causes harm to his “family friendly” schtick. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.
Hard to reconcile “family friendly” when you’ve got a song called “Fuck Her Gently” but ok
Yeah, and the band is called Tenacious D
Consider his work, other than Tenacious D. His roles in movies, random guest star appearances at concerts and such. He’s crafted this lovable teddy bear image. That’s what I’m referring to. Yes, he and Kyle have cultivated a fan base for Tenacious D that is anything but wholesome. But there is more to his image than just that. Most people that only know of him from his performances in movies see him as a family friendly silly guy. That has become his bread and butter.
Again, I don’t agree with his response to Kyle’s birthday wish, but I can understand why he would be on the defensive for it.
No…“gently”, not “gentile”.
He basically defended trump when his music partner made a joke.
jack black has always been a cringey loser, I’m glad the rest of the world is finally waking up to it.
Fucking THANK YOU. I never got the hype.
The only thing I ever liked him in was The Jackal that scene was so cathartic.
If he got violently dismembered more often, i might like him more. I usually think of him kicking Baxter off an overpass in Anchorman, as a default.
I still reckon his only really good non-Tenacious D work was Nacho Libre. Everything else has been a load of saccharine nonsense. Even Nacho is kinda saccharine, but it at least has a whacky style to it. “Chancho, when you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants in your room. Just for fun.”
I never liked him. Not for any particular reason really. It’s just the vibe I’m getting from him. He doesn’t seem authentic.
Came here to say that.
why he isn’t liked anymore?
His Tenacious D bandmate, Kyle Gass, made a joke about assassinating Donald Trump. Black put out a statement criticizing and distancing himself from Gass while also placing the band on hiatus, cancelling a then-ongoing world tour. People feel he threw a longtime friend under the bus in order to protect his public image.
I get why someone would lose respect for him over that, but he’s a celeb who’s cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image of inclusivity rather than culture warrior. He’s in the “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar” camp which is probably where folks like Fred Roger’s would be were he here today.
So I guess I didn’t expect much more from him, but I’m also not a huge fan or anything, just enjoy his work, so I’m not in a position to really be disappointed in him.
he’s a celeb who’s cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image
Damn dude just say you don’t know anything about Tenacious D. Lol.
Alternate theory: Jack understands that bad press impacts the movies he works on and that hundreds to thousands of people depend on those movies doing well. It sucks he did this but as an adult whose actions could have a negative impact on my co-workers incomes I get it
Maybe, but I don’t agree fully. He made a huge deal about it while singing his distasteful songs. the joke was par for the audience course.
Gotta protect those Video Game movie deals.
Don’t wanna risk that Ganon cast in the Zelda Movie
More like goota protect the returns so that the FX team that spent years on the film have stronger resumes based on a successful film rather than one that tanked because Jack Black did something stupid.
Something stupid, like be in it?
Because he killed the metal
Same, loved him when i was little
Will Smith. More so for his inauthenticity than the slap.
Ashamed to admit I was once (pre-Sachs phone call) at least intrigued and open to the idea of liking the noted sex pest and abuser Russell Brad. Stuff has continued to get worse.
Had been a fan of Kevin Spacey, too.
Gaga and P!nk have also gone done in my estimations somewhat, but unlike everyone else no serious reason for it.
Obligatory Gaiman and JK Rowling, too.
Edit: oh, and Luis Scott Vargas. Abandoned his pregnant wife for someone else, and started shilling crypto. 😵🤷🏼🙆🏾♂️
A comedian called Brendan Burns said “he looks like the personification of hepatitis” in a special and I hear that every time I see Russell
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Never been a Musk fan but I remember on Reddit everyone was calling him the “nerd king” who would change the world
I’ll never forget the chill that ran down my spine when that thing with these cave kids happend in Thailand, and some random guy tweeted him: pleas mr. Musk, you are the closest thing we have to tony stark, help them. I felt genuinely disgusted.
Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?
Watching the SpaceX engineers transform those pods overnight really highlighted the fact that all he does is talk until other, more capable people actually make it happen. They probably could have been quite helpful had he not got in the way with his tantrums.
At teh end it really wasn’t helpful at all and the diver who saved them explained why. That led to his tantrum. I appreciate they tried, but at the end they werre just victims of a marketing stunt.
Side note: wondering if humans will ever figure out that they are not designed to be in caves
they are not designed to be in caves
are they design for cardboard box in the middle of a lake?
You’d think so right? I’m a certified diver and love swimming around the bottom of the ocean but caves and climbing inside shipwrecks is a hard pass. Just going through a lava tube and scraping my tank on the rock gives me the heebie jeebies
OMG yeah you got dark, tight space AND filled with water?? You got a 50/50 chance of getting Darwinized
And he did change the world. To the worse.
fr with how much stuff he’s fucked up so fast it has to be a record of some sort
he always seem wierd to me wasnt a good first impression, he made news, i assume many people found out who he was when announcing the sub/calling the thai seals pedos.
Yeah, that thing with the Thai soccer team really opened my eyes. Later, I saw a documentary on the situation, and there was no way that his submarine idea could have worked, it simply would not have fit.
But rather than accept that those on the scene were more knowledgeable about the situation, he immediately jumped to calling the rescuers pedos, as if the only reason they wanted to rescue them was because they were young boys, and wanted to molest them. What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone. He saw an opportunity for global promotion, and was pissed when it was denied to him.
It showed me a side that we hadn’t seen before, but turned out to be his real personality.
We had hope then
Wasn’t really a fan as such, but I also though as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
He should have kept to what he was good at - marketing big ideas. Unfortunately narcissists don’t work that way.as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
There’s a good argument that this is still true despite everything. Without China the green-tech revolution would be decades behind schedule, and it took Tesla to make China move.
I agree that Ellen was significant in the race to EVs, but that is definitely in the past. As far as present tense goes, nah.
The tenses are a bit murky “I used to think ‘he’s useful…’” “this still true…” could kinda go either way, but it sounds like you’re saying it applies today, and nah.
Just read what I write, rather than what you think I might be trying to say.
I can’t find it now but there was an analysis a few days ago by a reputable source, maybe in The Atlantic, which said basically what I just said. It’s not scandalous. The guy has an impressive record as a business leader. Perhaps not as a product specialist, or even an engineer, but as force for making things happen at the company level.
Anyway, apparently there’s not much willingness to engage in nuanced debate here so that’s all I have to say.
it took Tesla to make China move.
Maybe so, but I’m not sure whether Tesla really needed Elon Musk.
Really? So where are all its peer competitors? This person has obviously gone off the rails but was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
The charismatic guy at the top may always get all the credit, but hundreds of other people played a role in Tesla’s success. He wasn’t even a founder of the company. All we can really say is that he bought in at the right time, but we don’t know how much of Tesla’s success was down to his personal decisions. If anything, it seems like Tesla’s decline really started when Musk started using the company more and more for his personal pet projects (Cybertruck, Teslabots etc) rather than the cars that people actually want.
was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
Seeing them land the Starship booster on the chopsticks - I’d say that he still is.
What did he do?
and it took Tesla to make China move.
Tesla maybe helped boosting Chinas EV industry … but very little for green-tech in general. And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
So no, I don’t think he did much for humanity here.
And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
I think most agree that, at least, EVs are needed to evolve away from the CO2 generated from petroleum consumption used in cars and trucks. Yes yes, “public transportation better for moving people” but that doesn’t work for all countries especially those with lower density population areas. Further “public transporation” does nothing for the “last mile” delivery of goods with regard to logistics.
In almost every situation an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in respect to being “green” and vehicles are what our current systems are designed around.
No, I really don’t agree. Like, at all. The problem is largely that geometry of vehicles creates those highly-destructive, resource-intensive, low-density population areas, and that’s the problem that we need to address. In that respect, EVs are just like any other vehicle. Same streets, same highways, same parking lots, same garages, same bi-weekly grocery runs to the store 5 miles away. We can start to address those problems (zoning, building codes, environmental regulations, land-use, tax structures, and such) now, and it won’t be any easier after 20 years of further automobile-oriented development while we transition the fleet to EVs. It’ll just be 20 years more entrenched. Yeah, EVs help somewhat, but the way we’re approaching them now, they’re like treating 10% of your cancer.
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
You’re talking about trying to fix a multi-generational problem. In many places the things you’re asking to change have been in place for hundreds years. The politics and land ownership laws and implications are immense! That is NOT a fast problem to fix. If you’re taking EVs off the table, then that means you’re committing to 30-50 years of ICE vehicles pumping out CO2 all of that time.
How can you consider non-EVs a greener solution in your scenario?
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
Its simply not possible to deliver 2000kg or 2000lbs of cargo to a business for last mile delivery in a timely fashion without a much larger vehicle than an e-bike. Why on Earth would you want a belching diesel vehicle doing that for decades on end when an EV could it with zero CO2 emissions?
It’s a multi-generational problem, so we should start fixing it now. Why is it going to be easier to solve 30-50 years from now? Why should we wait until we’ve transitioned to EVs to start the process? What is it about EVs is going to make that easier?
in fact EVS uses rare earth metals which are not mined in a ecofriendly way. the best way is to ride buses and fund mass transportation.
Kevin Spacey
