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- Farmington Hills officials are fuming over a glut of unsold Cybertrucks being stored in the city.
- Tesla has been parking the EVs at a shopping center earmarked for major redevelopment.
- Officials say the electric vehicles violate zoning codes and are warning the property owner.
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Can’t the city claim eminent domain on them and then sell them at auction?
Sell them for pennies to the US military. They can use them as incendiary devices.
They wouldnt even make good range targets because theyre likely to spontaniously combust
Ever hear of tannerite?
Use them as target practice or give them to fire departments to train on extinguishing lithium fires.
There he goes again - saving the government money. /S
Yeah that’s what we should do. Give Elon Musk a massive defense contract for his garbage vehicles
Elmo would remotely brick them out of spite if that happened.
I’ll take one for $1
$1.01
That’s to rich for my blood.
“I’d buy that for a dollar!”
I don’t know if I would. I don’t want the analytics and tracking on me.
What are you going to do with it, haul four-foot boards on flat paved roads?
Fuck that, pay me to get rid of that for you
That is a lengthy court process. Just call in an anonymous tip to the cops that they’re being used to smuggle drugs, and they can civil forfeiture them. Then police auction
That’s not a terrible idea. But it does put the proceeds in the hands of the cops.
They’re just so damn ugly. One pulled up next to me at a light the other day and it looked like a cockroach skittered into my side vision.
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I think you’re trying to lead them on too much.
Obviously, you want to see chaos, explosions, fire, and mayhem. Of course you do, so do I, and if its in the process of destroying a fascist foreign interloper who somehow gets a pass for being an illegal immigrant from this joke of an administration, then all the better.
Bury the lede a bit. Let them think they came to that conclusion.
People don’t like being overtly manipulated. Covertly is a different matter.
Nah thry catch fire if soray em with water.
On one hand, lmao. On the other, seems like kind of a dumb thing for the city to get mad over. Not like that dead mall’s parking lot was suddenly going to become a economic center of the city or anything.
“Tesla has been parking the EVs at a shopping center earmarked for major redevelopment.”
They’re in the way of the redevelopment.
That sounds more like “We’re going to eventually do this” rather than “the bulldozers are here, move your shit” to me.
Then the property owner should have them towed.
Wouldn’t want to incur the wrath of the richest asshole on the planet
God the environmental damage caused by making all these batteries, only to be used in a cyber truck and dumped in a car park.
Remember when Elon was pretending to be saving the environment, well now he isn’t.
EVs were never about saving the environment. It does so much damage making a new EV. If companies wanted to save the environment they would have invested in refurbishing and updating older used cars.
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You say that like it’s already happening at scale. Get real.
It is technically recyclable, but it’s so cost prohibitive compared to just building new that no one really does it at this point. Maybe someday.
It’s almost certainly something that will get worked out on its own. There isn’t enough volume to justify lithium battery recycling at this point. After a decade of EVs being mainstream, there will be.
That said, GP is correct that EVs are about saving the car industry, not about saving the environment. Getting better walking/biking/public transportation infrastructure is the way to go. Ebikes, in particular, open up biking transportation to a lot of people who hesitated before. The amount of lithium used in them is tiny compared to cars, and the market can likely be served by sodium-ion batts, anyway.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do as a car owner is just keep the oldest car u have alive as long as possible. Cash for lunkers wasn’t about getting people in cleaner cars, it was about subsidizing companies so they could sell more while destroying perfectly good vehicles. This shredded the used car market and we are paying for it now. Literally. If you need to get a new car anyways, sure an ev or hybrid might be the way. But keeping a stinky old diesel running, while it may seem counterintuitive, is the cleaner thing to do. What we wmit driving pails in comparison to the production pollution associated with all these throw away cars.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do as a car owner is stop being one. Ride a bike. Take Mass Transit. Walk.
That’s a great idea unless you are rural. City folks can do these things far easier than people that the nearest store is 10 miles away.
Ride a horse! ;)
keeping a horse is a very expensive thing you know… lol
Compared to what? Horses are 100% recyclable and biodegradeable.
Cars, even ev’s. Not so much.
Spoken like a true pedestrian. I live in one of the bigger “cities” in my state and it’s smaller than a “small town” in the last state I lived in, not having a car here is impossible. The most environmentally friendly thing to do would be abandon all technology and eat berries in a cave and die at 30 because of poor hygiene, your comment is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Don’t worry about it. You’ll be dead from a multiple simultaneous crises. Your car won’t save you.
We in the “rich” world already have a housing crisis where masses would love a cave over their current sleeping rough. Berries would be nice too and hunger is all too well known in the developed world.
You are way out of touch. Congratulations to be so fortunate.
Fuck off, shill.
Elon was always about making money. The marketing department was all about saving things.
Batteries can be recycled, reused or repurposed. It’s nowhere near as damaging as drilling for/refining/shipping/burning oil and we decided we are perfectly okay with that.
I thought it was widely accepted that lithium mining is far more harmful to the environment than drilling for oil, and that the hope was that not burning oil/gas we offset the mining (to the point if u drive ur electric car x miles it’s cleaner overall than if u drive an ICE vehicle). Do you have information that states otherwise?
Oil spills are far worse for the environment than mining could be. Also, electric cars keep air pollution in cities down. Not saying there is zero environmental impact but mining is not nearly as bad as fossil fuels can be, and same could be said for nuclear as well.
I’ve got a nonsense idea with no sources do you have sources to contradict it?
Start with sources that back-up the nonsense you just made up. Because there is just no possible way that extracting 1 EV’s worth of lithium is equivalent pollution to the expected 200-400 thousand miles of ICE driving it offsets.
I thought it was widely accepted . . .
No. Not even close.
Care to offer a morsel of information? I like facts not speculation or public optics…
I’ll offer as many references as you did in your claims.
Alright here’s more effort than you could be bothered with- drilling oil out of the ground involved a drill that goes deep into the ground. Their not all that big. Have you seen a lithium mine before? Massive hole in the earth miles wide and quite deep, a hole in the earth that will be visible for centuries. A big open wound on the planet that cannot heal itself. I know this is a tough comparison because oil is more of a consumable, and lithium for batteries sure it’s technically a consumable but with a much longer life than say a 50 gal drum of oil. I’m not taking into account refining for either material, or the waste involved with disposing of batteries or emissions of cars burning gas. It’s an apples to oranges comparison and hard to say which is worse at the end of the day. What is a fact, however, is that producing an electric car is more harmful to the environment than producing an ice car. And keeping an old ice car alive is better for the environment than producing any new car. Both lithium mining and oil drilling quite frankly awful for the environment. So do you have the gusto to help me understand and produce a productive conversation or are u happy to just troll? It is an incredibly complex issue to account for the exact environmental impact of either, but an issue that intrigues me and I think an important conversation to have.
Your post is still just speculation based on personal understanding. I can claim every word of it is wrong and be just as credible.
Are you going to post an actual study comparing the manufacturing costs? You made the claim first, so you get to do the work first.
They won’t be, though :(
They absolutely will. Those minerals are valuable.
Wait, where is this parking lot again?
Lithium is pretty stable. Those dumbtrucks will rot there for some time, then got reposessed and eventually moved to a recycling plant, and almost all of the lithium will eventually be used for something useful.
They probably won’t even actually recycle the batteries. The packs and batteries are still gonna be good. They’ll just pull the whole battery packs out and use them in other vehicles or stationary storage.
Probably. Unless it’s something very proprietary that is specifically incompatible with everything, I wouldn’t put that past the current Tesla people.
Jerryrigeverything has already demonstrated Tesla packs can be used for other vehicles. He made an electric military humvee.
Afaik, both him, Superfast Matt, and others were using packs from the comparatively sane Teslas, ones that were designed by engineers, not by a child with dementia. I am afraid to assume what the poorly rendered rustbucket is made of.
Agreed. The person you’re responding to is using the same logic as “wind turbines kill birds”, “EVs run on FF electricity”, etc. Anyone trying to convince you to let perfection get in the way of progress is almost certainly being disingenuous, or at best has been talked into it by someone who was.
Batteries can be recycled, reused or repurposed. It’s nowhere near as damaging as drilling for/refining/shipping/burning oil
Why is the alternative to an EV SUV a combustion engine SUV? Why isn’t cycling and public transport?
I’m not saving ICEs are good and EV are bad but that maybe… both aren’t great anyway, especially when actual alternatives that make people healthier do exist.
Biking doesn’t always work well in the us because shit is spread out further.
Anything else but driving doesn’t work well in the US because the “way of life” is indeed car centric. It will never change without infrastructure, including but not limited to bike lanes. Large distances are possible with (electric) bike but this at least needs to be safe.
So… yes I’m not advocating for somebody leaving the middle of absolute nowhere to give up on their cars. This is not even about cities (as the article mentions a parking lot I assume it’s next or even inside a city).
No, my point instead is to question the false dichotomy.
I agree we shouldn’t have set things up as we did but it’s done and there is no way I’m biking what would be a 40 minute drive to microcenter.
The lithium mining process is laborious, dangerous, and releases radioactive elements into groundwater and into the air as mine tailings. Not to mention, most of Earth’s lithium reserves are in Chile, Bolivia, and Rwanda. With Western investors backing corrupt national governments, this means that exploitative labor (read: slavery) is the primary means of extraction.
It is, in comparison to other extraction methods, literally just as bad.
Actually lithium isn’t the long term plan, it’s just the plan for today. Sodium is the long term. But huge lithium deposits exists in the US and China too.
You can even filter it out of the oceans. It’s just not worth the cost right now
Mexico has a giant deposit but they insist on silly things like environmental regulations.
Lithium mining is horrible for the environment too. I don’t think that’s a bit improvement over gas\oil
It happens once and is reusable forever. It’s a massive improvement.
Sure, and it’s a good interim tech until we get things like hydrogen working better.
Dude hydrogen is a bait and switch. We’ve had hydrogen engine tech forever. As for the source, you CAN get it from water after putting in more energy into it than you get out of it, or you can just refine it from oil. Guess what the plan has always been?
Hydrogen is just a way to greenwash big oil.
there are modern ways of doing it they’re pretty efficient from what I’ve been reading using natural gas and water or electrolysis but I’m no scientist so I’m not going to try to explain it here I think maybe you should look into some more modern methods than what you’re talking about.
The batteries could be salvaged and used for something useful.
Some of those trucks ended up stored at a run-down mall in Farmington Hills outside of Detroit in Michigan. Unsurprisingly, local officials are not happy about it.
Lol, he’s not even trying to hide them anymore. I would like to see pics of these trucks *from afar at the rundown mall. It sounds very dystopian to see, Mad Max like.
Edit: The pics they show don’t show the mall in the background and how empty it looks.
Bringing the property value down.
So just tow them all and impound them.
I suspect that the impoundment lot is far smaller than the disused shopping center parking lot.
I think they should just let Tesla store them there and ask Tesla for some fee for use of the thing. I really don’t think that having them there is likely very harmful to the area.
It’s likely the land owner IS renting the lot to whomever currently owns the Teslas.
The city however noticed and notified the landowner that it’s not zoned for storage.
Ah that makes sense.
Like yes, no one is going to park millions of dollars without having some agreement with someone… Your take is likely what happened.
If it’s a code violation for the poors it should be a code violation for tesIa. I guarantee if one of us parked a vehicle there for more than a couple days it would be gone.
Yet people are still buying them. Maybe one or two every other month, but there are still people buying them. I really do miss PSA’s. This would be a good opportunity for one. “Kids, always remember to punch a Nazi and flip their trucks. Geeee IIII JOOEEEE!!!”
You know who’s buying them, right? The PSAs would just make them want them more.
How does one so stupid get access to so much disposable income…
Exploitation!
Credit.
the willingness to do morally questionable acts in order to accrue income. nothing gets you ahead in this world the way cheating gets you ahead.
Crimes…
Contrary to previously aired propaganda, crime pays very well. as long as you’re good at it.
Pretty decent scam rent a stall in the mall as your sales room and use the parking lot for free storage
Until the vehicles get towed overnight
Tennants are allowed parking usually spelled out in the lease
If the tenancy agreement allows parking to the extent that it can be used as dealership vehicle storage, what’s the scam?
Sounds like rage mall parking lot parties are a good start. Just start destroying them
Same thing is happening in Europe with Chinese EVs. Chinese EVs are piling up at European ports because they’ve gone unsold and the carmakers were way too optimistic or it’s some sort of book keeping trickery to rack up the sales figures.
Is that still the case though? I can only find articles from 2024 about this
Executive bonus target, deliver x number of cars in Europe. Job done!
few cans of gasoline and some matches could go a long way to help solving this problem
Or fly a drone overhead and drop paint or Liquid Ass.
I’d rather we didn’t pollute things further… a wrecking ball would do fine.
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Actually, steamrollers and most industrial equipment have surprisingly weak locks and key ignition systems. Usually, the biggest obstacle is the window itself.
The keys are usually on a hook in the foreman’s trailer. ;)
Sounds like construction equipment is as secure as US democracy.
And they often all use the same key. Which you can get online
I could probably figure it out.
That’s what they’re hoping for. If they all caught fire Tesla could put in an insurance claim and get their money back.
Large companies don’t always insure like that. They may self insure.
Tesla owners usually have to get insurance through Tesla because most insurance companies refuse to underwrite those death traps.
definitely would rather see people
stealingrecycling the batteriesBy setting them in fire, cyber trucks are recycled. They return to the Earth from whence they came!
I was thinking pragmatically about the availability of Lithium as a resource and not so much about the idea of Cybertrucks just ceasing to exist
steel to steel , lithium to lithium.
You are right since they are made from stainless Steal and lift-ium.
Did you know the Cybertruck was designed to mimic a Porsche? Specifically, this one.
Except it has the durability, function and safety of this one.
Hmmm.
So EVs are pretty simple machines. I think we can all agree on that. Like I am not a mechanic and I can work on these things (well maybe not the tires).
But the problem isn’t just that a single component in these things sucks, it’s the whole design. That being said, the motors, controllers, axles, sensors, etc, can’t all be entirely custom. I would be willing to bet there is a fair amount of useful shit we could “borrow” from unsupervised and unwanted cyber trucks to rebuild them into something much much better.
So some people can get free Power walls?
I read that as POWER WHEELS and now I want a Tesla scrap powered adult sized ride-on toy.
That’s just the BMS and battery really. There’s a whole lot more there.
Like Mechagodzilla?
More like Mechashiva
or Voltron?
Giant Death Bot?
Can we use the plans from the failed MechaStreisand and create a MechaO’Donnell to take on Trumpzilla
I have a friend that uses salvaged Model Y components to electrify RAM Promaster vans.
See!!! I knew it was a thing, this is brilliant!
I mean can you take the engine and battery to install on another chasis?
I wonder if a youtube enthusias mad maxian mechanic got a few cybertrucks to play with.
I bet he’d strip all the parts and make a few other retrofit EVs. I’d watch it.
No engine, they use motors. Generally 2 or 3 depending on trim level.
Gotcha. Clearly I know more than the average plebian about horseless carriages
It is somewhat pedantic on my part TBH.
But using the land for
vehicledumpster storage is against city code. 😂
