Tried to support the industry by buying a movie a watch a lot. Well, no more. If I need a pihole just to watch a movie I own, that’s ridiculous.
The industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams ... It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what ... Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this. We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source – we will block it at your cable company. We will block it at your phone company. We will block it at your ISP. We will firewall it at your PC ... These strategies are being aggressively pursued because there is simply too much at stake. - Steve Heckler, senior vice president of Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc, August 2000
quote from https://web.archive.org/web/20010201204600/http://www.nyfairuse.org/sony.xhtml
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Wow I’ve never seen this quote. That’s something.
there is simply too much at stake
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I bought some LED light that have stickers so you put them behind the tv, it also has a camera looking at the screen, it mimics its colors and it creates a good atmosphere.
I had to set it up to my wifi to make it work like wtf, and a phone app too, like wtf. After the installation I blocked its mac in the router.
For movies I just pirate them to my computer and cast them to my tv with the media share option, idk the name.
Welp, blu ray playyæer sure don’t need no internet - gimme dumb technology plz
blu ray playyæer
Did a cat jump on your keyboard?
usually bluray and 4k players need to connect to the internet at least once in order to download the codecs, but like yea I disconnect mine from the internet right after
This is the evil shit
can we find a way to spoof this so that they think legit physical disk usage is going up?
I don’t think it’s a good metric since most people using Blurays don’t have their players connected to the Internet anyway. Connecting Bluray players online is a very niche use-case. It might be more popular if they had built-in Streaming Apps or NAS playback but many don’t and are just Bluray players.
Or just any game console? Which is the normal Blu-ray player?
Yeah I just straight up pirate movies now, I don’t even try to hide it from people anynore. It’s clear to me at this point that all these companies care about is getting richer by the minute off the backs of the common man, and their excuses for doing so are getting more and more pathetic.
What capitalists are doing is intentionally sharpening the contradiction, probably with the goal of a revolution or reform in their favor (as can be seen in the USA right now). The neat thing about sharpened contradictions is that it will inevitably lead to change, the bad thing is that this is a massively organized effort with tons of planning and coordination, and The People:tm: are not ready for it.
Pirating movies is pretty good though. Mainstream media always manages to exploit labor incredibly harshly, to the point of suicide, and that behavior should not be rewarded IMO. Of course there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but one can dream. As an aside, pirated media is also incredibly convenient. There is a great community spirit in the piracy community.
I have friends who work in the film industry and they pirate movies and TV shows all the time.
Me too. By the time a movie or TV show actually makes it to distribution, most people who worked on it have already made their paycheck and moved on to the next project.
My Blu Ray player has never been connected to the web, its region free, but doesn’t do 4k-BD. My Linux HTPC is configured with an ASUS libredrive, and has MakeMKV installed. The Linux variant of MakeMKV is borked right now, in a good way! The 30 day trial period doesn’t expire!
If I wanna watch a 4k bluray I have to rip it and watch it on my PC, because I’d rather do that than get a BD player that needs internet
The author posts new temporary keys on the official forums regularly, in one of the stickies.
Havent needed them in months, I’ve been at 30 days remaining in evaluation period for 3 months.
The fact that they don’t give you the option to “refuse” but rather to “skip” annoys me to such an extent. Leave us alone, you never needed to do this.
At least you can watch BDs without a web connection still. For now…
Also, LibreDrive is a thing for hacking BD drives with in order to bypass DRM, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that got blocked and/or taken down at some point.
Fuck Sony for this shit
LMFAO. And when I tell people to take care about leaving Jellyfin public with their open API endpoint issues… Yeah Sony WILL abuse your shit… They already do it.
I run a pivpn setup so that nothing is exposed to the internet at all. It’s just too dangerous now. It was bad back in the day, but now I literally have bots trying to join any public facing Minecraft server. It’s so many times worse now than it was a decade ago.
Oh man. I have an open minecraft server for my kids and their friends. Every few weeks I have someone show up to the server leaving notes or interacting with us trying to educate me on whitelisting.
I get more “educators” than i do bots. It’s actually quite annoying. I dont know what accounts these kids login with, you’re not educating me. The server is literally for 6-8 year olds. It’s been wiped 100s of times. I don’t care. Stop. The server is grief resistant anyway. And my ban list is long (and getting at least one longer). /little rant
I mean, it would take seconds for someone to log in and paste bad links in chat/send weird messages so yeah, a server for a 6-8 yr olds is absolutely one I would turn whitelist on for.
I have never had any of my MC servers run without a whitelist, even the one I had publicly listed on planet minecraft back in the day. You should know who has access to your machines on some level.
I used to run servers a decade ago and open was fine. Never had a random join. Crazy to think bots are trying random IPs now, probably would whitelist in that case
You assume that those links would work. Kids machines have DNS whitelists.
I’m not worried.
I guess the bots are trying to find servers still vulnerable to the Log4J exploit. Man that was a juicy one 👀
Can you explain the issues with Jellyfin? Idk about any of this. What are the issues?
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
The biggest issue is that the video stream endpoint is not auth’d. Meaning that if someone guesses the MD5 hash for a file in your library it will play. Sounds at first glance like it’s unlikely to matter. Except that MD5 is generated based on the file’s filepath. So if you use standard naming conventions on paths that are common (/movies/Big Bucks Bunny(2008)/Big Bucks Bunny.mkv for example being simple and easy), eg defaults for a docker container using *arr suites. Then it’s possible for a precompiled hash list to check for file against your server.
So now add a company like Sony, they can generate all their library as a hash list, hit your server with millions of requests over the course of a couple of hours and map out how much of their content you have on your server. If any of it has never had a physical release (since you’re allowed to backup your own content) you’re completely fucked, and now will have to prove in court that you own ALL the content. And possibly… since it’s open endpoint, it could be argued that you’re even distributing openly (though unlikely argument… but do you really want to chance that?).
Ultimately if your setup is “Standard” you’re asking for a lawsuit.
Answers to “fix” this:
Map your paths in weird folders. instead of /movies/<movie> add in a folder like a GUID, so /eH4i67ZwByjLao3z7nHWKdS5ogysm68x/movies/<movie>. Make sure this occurs INSIDE your docker container if you’re using docker. Will break any precompiled hashes… though possible to hit a collision and still be “found”.
Setup fail2ban or other brute force blocking technology on your reverse proxy.
Use a private network setup… whether VPN, SDN, whatever… tailscale, zerotier, etc… (This will break TVs that don’t have vpn capabilities)
Add another auth in front of Jellyfin. (This breaks ALL Jellyfin apps)
The real answer would be the developers closing the unauth endpoints… But it’s been an issue for over 4 years now… They’re not going to fix it anytime soon as they don’t want to “break compatibility”, which is a pretty dumb excuse IMO.
There’s another issue where you shouldn’t give accounts to people you don’t trust as one user can attack another user AFTER login. So make sure you trust everyone you let have access… they can screw with your profile and do stuff you might not expect.
Interesting. And I assume this is an issue on Windows too?
The endpoint issue exists in all builds. It would just have a different path in windows because paths in windows start with drive letter.
Can you share which movie this was? I’ve never seen anything like that.
Gran Turismo
Farturismo
What happens of you hit skip. Does it not let you play the disk?
I would assume based on the line where it says you can go into the settings and opt out at any time that yes you canin fact choose not to accept this. But most people aren’t even going to think about it, which is what they are gambling on
Politely asking the spying-on-you-box to not spy on you
No…?
If you check the little box in the settings the machine with totally opaque and secret software running on it that you don’t control will definitely respect that little check box and stop spying on youYou don’t even understand what I’m objecting to.
Okay InbredParasite@lemmy.zip
I legitimately do not understand what is happening or what your deal is so I’m just going to move on I guess. Have a good one dude.
It let’s you continue no problem.
Just like most modern video games these days that have the second agreement after the EULA. They make it seem necessary, knowing 99% of people will see all of the words and just skip to the bottom and hit “accept.”
Still gross, but not really the problem that people here seem to think it is.
Wait do modern Blu-ray players connect to the Internet?
Most if not all 4k players are network enabled due to the DRM that is on the 4k medium. From my experiences, they usually need to connect to the internet to download the keys at least once before anything 4k works. DVD and BD usually work without issue though.
How goofy.
Like, I understand most people have internet at home nowadays but come on, I thought a big point of Physical Media was not needing the damn internet to work!
Mine can because it also has Netflix, Hulu, etc. built in.
Do the apps still work? The biggest issues I’ve found with Bluray players like that is that the Streaming Apps on them tend to become Obsolete and broken fairly quickly.
Some have stopped working, like SteamLink, but others still work. I know it’s just a matter of time.
my quick search for “Blu Ray players” brought up a list. 4 of the first 5 i saw were also “streaming boxes” with wi-fi. the 5th had an Ethernet port. didn’t really check further but looks like it’s pretty common now.
Let me rephrase: do they need to connect to the internet?
good question, but i dunno, sorry. my guess would be probably not, based on the smart tv i never connected to the web that works just fine… but I’m an avowed and avid pirate and don’t remember the last time i paid to watch something at home :D yarrrr
Maybe sorta to update keys? But I think they will also do that if you pop in a newer disc. It’s been known to cause an issue with playback of older disks, I think.
The whole process of buying media is broken.
How else would Sony track you while you watch a legitimate BD playing on your personal, paid-for hardware, silly goose?
They don’t really, out of all the complaints I’ve heard people make about Bluray players (Disc Recognition, Region Locking) I’ve never heard them complain that it needed to be connected to the internet. It’s an optional feature, not a requirement.
Yes.
Playstations
Surely you understood that I meant “dedicated Blu-ray players“? Come on. A video game console that also plays discs hardly counts. That would not be unusual for it to have network connectivity, which is what I’mdriving at
You can take the debate bro out of Reddit but not the Reddit out of the debate bro, huh.
fucking everything connects to the internet these days dude. You fridge, you tv, hell probably even your toothbrush what the hell comment is this? “what you are driving at” is a world that no longer exists, this smart tech shit is being shoved down all our throats as we speak.
My fridge does not. My toothbrush does not. I can also simply not connect my tv. So 1/3, and that one is optional. I get you’re being flippant/sarcastic, but figured I’d just make that clear.
A Blu-ray player plays physical discs. I can buy ones without internet. It’s not difficult. I have one right now lmao
And yes I agree it’s insane and being shoved down our throat. Which is why I am incredulous at the idea that a Blu-ray player needs to connect to the internet. Think through this a bit.
A 1080p player does not require internet connectivity but 4K/UHD discs need to phone home in order to get decryption keys on a per disc basis. There is a lot of discussion about this in the MakeMKV forums if you want to do a deeper dive.
4K/UHD discs need to phone home in order to get decryption keys on a per disc basis
Is that true for hardware players? I’ve only seen people talking about software players like Power DVD having to get keys from the Internet.
Which is why I am incredulous at the idea that a Blu-ray player needs to connect to the internet
Is it really that hard to imagine a future where DRM encroaches further and further on us? Your fuckin blue ray player might not connect to the internet but it is still region locked.
I really don’t think you’re picking up what I’m putting down here. No, it’s not that difficult to imagine, because it’s happening. I am saying it’s bullshit and I’m annoyed about it.
Ignore them, they are a troll and aren’t likely acting in good faith.
They can, many have Ethernet ports and even Wifi in some cases but there’s no practical reason to do so unless they have streaming features you want to use but most don’t, and the ones that do often aren’t updated so you’ll find the Streaming Apps on them usually don’t work anymore.
PS3 was one of the first affordable blu ray players right off the bat with internet connectivity
Yes but presumably it would work when not connected to the Internet. Additionally, it was not primarily a Blu-ray player. And my Blu-ray players did not have network connectivity.
BD-live was a thing going way back then. BD players had network connectivity because stuff like that was a selling point.
But it seems like you’re adjusting the question to be more “do BD players REQUIRE internet connections”. No probably not.
And off track, for some people the primary function of the PS3 might have been to play movies. BD players were several thousand dollars, a ps3 was like $700-800. There was definitely chatter along the lines of it being a Sony product would be best in class for BD playback as well.
When I first started dating my partner I asked why she had a PS2 with no games. She said it was her mum’s that she just uses for dvd.
“It also enables the delivery of advertising content”
They already paid for the product! Double-dipping assholes
No no, you see. You didn’t pay for the product but the license for the product. Now it makes sense, right?
I don’t understand. Maybe a set of adverts would help me?
I wonder if these people think everyone wants to be advertised to.
No, I am 100% certain they know that the vast majority of people don’t care and some people really really hate it, but nobody actually enjoys it.
Someone I know who is currently on a pseudoscience and conspiracy theory arc genuinely believes that personalized ads are good because then you can easily buy things you know you’ll like
I’ve bought things from personalized ads before. But mostly they’re annoying. And creepy.
the idea of “just browse the web normally with someone looking over your shoulder taking notes on what you like to then sell you shit - or even better, it infers what you like using magic and can even tell when you’re pregnant before you know it yourself” can be nice in some ways I guess, but yeah I agree. no thanks.
sadly, i too heard that from somebody 🤷
Some people will bend over backwards for a nibble of the corporate boot
Guess there’s no accounting for stupid.
Some people are allergic to researching their purchases
I don’t think they care
triple-dipping, they also get your data.
