Some of the kids game sites like coolmath are still around. Lots of quick games that designed to be fun, beaten, but not drain your soul.
Also turn off the adblocker at some point. Kids gotta learn what’s an ad and what’s not.
What’s coolmath?
Also turn off the adblocker at some point. Kids gotta learn what’s an ad and what’s not.
And install Windows while you’re at it. Ransomware builds character.
Nah, they get enough of that on the school Chromebooks.
Goal is to teach them how to avoid the dark side, not to let them swim in it.
I read the book Screentime Solution by Emily Cherkin (also Anxious Generation and Screen Schooled). Basically her advice is to be screen-intentional as a family. Right now my husband and I make an effort to put our phones away when we come home from work and spend time with each other and our toddler. Another thing is that she does not have any of her own internet devices. It’s the family tv and my iPad that she uses (with supervision and sparingly). We have a few devices she uses that are dumb (old gameboy and old iPod) but still rarely. Restaurants and family dinner are screen free zones. Even as she gets older we’re more likely to get a dumb phone and a family phone than let her have her own device. Something from the book was to let your kids have access to the internet and social media when you’re ready for them to see porn (not necessarily her opinion but an anecdote) and there’s no fool-proof parental controls. We are getting a family computer soon to teach her typing, using a mouse, and general computer skills but that will not be unsupervised or even internet connected most of the time. My goal is to teach her responsible use and to always have a line of communication open about it.
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On timing, I’d say that unless you plan to live in wilderness somewhere and limit connectivity options, that it’s going to happen pretty quickly regardless of your position. Even if you don’t provide access to the Internet, once kids start going to school, I expect that they’ll make friends, and at least some of those friends are going to have Internet access, probably in a mobile form.
Yes, sooner or later it’s probably not a good idea to keep kids away from the internet.
My little niece is still way too young at 5, but I’m already thinking about it because at some point she’ll come into contact with the internet anyway.
That’s why I’m asking here — I’m already trying to gather some good ideas for a few years down the line.
At what point is a mouth ready to drink from a firehose?
My brother was 4 when he started using a computer with his Microsoft Easyball mouse. With touchscreen devices, that could probably be brought down to 3 or even 2. Just make your kid a Roblox account, and set them free. It’s a kids game, so it’s 100% safe. Hell, set them up with social media accounts, too.
Yeesh let me know if you find a good answer. My <5 y.o. offspring found an old apple phone in a desk drawer and is begging me to charge it up, calling it “MY phone!” and in general causing me to worry about issues I wanted to avoid for a lot longer. Dreading the next 10 years of this battle.
Just tell em it’s made of broccoli or something. Lol
The broccoli thing depends on the kid. I loved broccoli as a kid.
Whether-or-not it and some other vegetables have a really unpleasant taste is a genetic thing.
https://distance.physiology.med.ufl.edu/the-science-of-supertasters/
It’s a tale as old as time. Growing up, your family tried to instill a love of broccoli and other leafy greens in you, but it never quite took. Now, you might be an adult who still doesn’t appreciate certain veggies, coffee or spicy foods. Perhaps you’d even go so far as to call yourself a picky eater. If so, have you ever considered whether you might be a supertaster?
Picky Eating
Many supertasters have a laundry list of foods they wouldn’t dare touch unless they were stranded on a deserted island — and even then, it would be a challenge. To their credit, there is a scientific reason behind their finicky food preferences. Scientists believe that many supertasters have the gene TAS2R38.
This particular gene increases a person’s perception of the bitterness in various foods and drinks. Many supertasters that have taken part in scientific studies often find that they’re extremely sensitive to a chemical called propylthiouracil (PROP). This chemical is often used in research to measure a person’s sensitivity to notes of tartness. Because PROP has an easily detectable bitter taste, supertasters often note an extremely bitter taste when given the chemical, more so than average or non-tasters.
Camouflaging Bitter Flavors by Overcompensating With Other Flavors
Broccoli and spinach may leave an overwhelmingly bitter taste in the mouths of supertasters, but that doesn’t mean they don’t understand the nutritional value veggies offer. To mask the bitterness, some supertasters add sweet, salty or fatty flavors to foods they wouldn’t eat otherwise. This makes certain bitter-tasting foods more palatable so supertasters can have their vegetables — and their nutrients too.
Charge it, put some educational games and setup screen time it (assuming its not so old its useless), otherwise slap their music on it and they got an ipod and camera to play with until it snaps.
I was pleasantly surprised that kids are being taught Internet safety in grade 1 where I’m from. Still no way in hell I’d let a kid on the internet unsupervised at that age mind you…
I don’t know if it can (or should) be done without the negative aspects. The internet is really dangerous.
Children can be introduced to baking in a playful way, but still need to be taught how to do it safely. You wouldn’t try to do it without mentioning that the oven is hot, or that they shouldn’t play with knives.
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I’m absolutely confident that I helped Mom in the kitchen long before 8, though. A relative’s toddler was helping make cookies the other month. Wasn’t putting the cookies in the oven, though.
I don’t have children so you can accept or dismiss my contribution as you please. I do have about 50 nieces and nephews of varying age (I have a big family) … and they have lots more children after them.
Children shouldn’t be exposed to the internet on their own until about 12 or 14 years of age. They shouldn’t be given free reign to look at things as they please. If you do want to expose them to it all … then it should always be under parent supervision.
I was born in the 70s (I never know what generation that makes me) … all I know is that it placed me at the perfect age to grow up without the internet and to grow as an adult with the internet. Now I know how to navigate, explore and deal with the internet and social media on my own in a very objective, critical point of view … I don’t trust everything and I trust people less and I question everything I come across. I’m not perfect and I’m not the smartest but I am very careful about what I watch, read and interact with on the internet. I still do dumb things and watch dumb things but I also do my best to stay aware of many other important political, social, philosophical things in the world.
I got to that point by being able to have a critical view of the world and to learn how to do things on my own and learn lots … mainly because I grew up without the internet. It takes a lot of imagination, work and brain power to try to do things with very little resources when you’re a kid … and that is an important training period for a young mind … plus I learned to read books, comics and paperbacks … reading takes in a lot more information than in watching 18 hours of minecraft videos, fail videos, funny videos or influencers dancing around.
I think kids should be encouraged to just learn on their own without the internet or with limited access … then given full access to it once they get a bit older. If you just raise kids on nothing but free for all internet … their brains are going to be pudding by the time they turn 18
You’re exactly my kind of guy. For me, it’s not about my daughter, but about my little niece, who just turned five.
When we’re together, we go out to the woods, to the lake, to the playground, to the bookstore, the museum, to the zoo, or something like that.
Until further notice, I have no intention of putting her in front of a screen.
I’ve just planned that at some point, when my niece is much older, I might build a weather station or an irrigation system with her using a Raspberry Pi or something like that.
But that’s still a long way off.
Neat … all my family is not anywhere near me so I don’t spend much time with them during the year. I used to years ago and we were often overwhelmed with children everywhere but not any more.
You should go ahead with that weather station or irrigation station … just figure out how to use mechanical / tactile systems you build, use, measure and document by hand on paper.
I used to play games with my nieces and nephews with puzzle hiding games - I’d give them a clue to find an object, which had another clue, then kept them guessing and finding the next clue five or six times until they found a small prize. A fun little game you can design inside a room, or inside a house, or in a field or yard.
I haven’t done that game in years but last year I had a nephew who is 20 now remind me how much he enjoyed it years ago. It’s something they remember far more than a playlist of funny Youtube videos.
Have fun while you can with them … times goes by really, really fast and by the time you realize it all, they’re all grown and can no longer spend much time with you.
The best thing we have done is make all computers be in the same room, and no personal digital devices until they are old enough.
Just being able to give oversight is the most important thing.
You do need to be able to say “youre not old enough for that yet” and then explain why. Luckily my kids accept that when its explained.
This is a good one. I’d have died of dehydration if I’d had a PC with access to the internet in my room as a teenager. Also learning to cover my tracks and circumvent restrictions my parents put on the shared family computer taught me valuable computer skills.
Thanks for the advice, I’ll keep that in mind as an uncle.
I mean, I don’t really know, I don’t plan to have kids and this is just one of the things that just feel like there is no right answer.
As for playful way, well… I am a monster. Some offline device with downloaded manuals (including Arch wiki), explanations of key parts of Linux and some basic networking, computer without OS, Arch Linux installer USB, and network connection possibly without DHCP server (with known network info).
And there you go. Figure it out. Archinstall should make it easy.You can’t start using Linux early enough. It’s not about my daughter, but about my niece, but I’ll keep that in mind when she’s old enough.
Kid isn’t allowed a phone until he can compile and flash his own operating system from source
Lemmy will say, give them an old desktop with linux.
I would say the same. No ipads or smartphones. Give them books on coding. Build a pc with them. Learn to solder.
Doesn’t directly answer your question but relevant:
"The Wait Until 8th pledge empowers parents to rally together to delay giving children a smartphone until at least the end of 8th grade. Let’s protect the elementary and middle school years from the distractions and the dangers of a smartphone. Banding together helps decrease the pressure to have a phone at an early age. Ten years old is the average age children get their first smartphone. You can change this!
Smartphones are distracting and potentially dangerous for children yet are widespread in elementary and middle school because of unrealistic social pressure and expectations to have one.
These devices are quickly changing childhood for children. Playing outdoors, spending time with friends, reading books and hanging out with family is happening a lot less to make room for hours of snap chatting, instagramming, and catching up on YouTube.
Parents feel powerless in this uphill battle and need community support to help delay the ever-evolving presence of the smartphone in the classroom, social arena and family dinner table. Link arms with other parents to wait until at least the end of eighth grade for a smartphone!"
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are you happy with how you are?
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“This needs a majority of other kids to also no have smartphone.”
100% agree, that’s the whole point of the organization and other orgs like it. They founded it to raise awareness and to get families to support each other. A group mindset against phones in childhood and early adolescence, which I agree is much more difficult if you’re the only one without one.
What is that in ages?
Not a hard link, but first grade is normally 6-7 years old, so eighth grade is 13-14.
I got mine at 11 which was younger than that. Thankfully I was quite well behaved already and knew not to share personal information online. Beforehand I had been using a family desktop computer. I was very cagey about who even obtained my phone number.
A lot of services today do require a cell number for sign-up, as a form of “expensive ID” that one can’t just make more of.
My guess is that a lot of kids might be kinda conditioned to provide it to services, since these days, they’re probably already handing it over if they’re getting a Google account or something.
All this is assuming that the kid has a cell phone with service. I suspect that it’d be easier, from a technical standpoint, to keep a kid from cell service — which actually costs something and is harder to share — than Internet access.
Just become Amish until they are 18 or so.
Give them an android tablet with youtube, but make sure to subscribe to good YouTube channels first
