We need to cap police OT. They are making off like bandits.
Best part is, they’re either overreporting it, or they’re legitimately dangerous to society from being so overworked in a job that already seems to put them on edge.
I have no quarrel with people being paid for their overtime (in fact, it would be shady for overtime to NOT be paid out), but I don’t think 19 hours of overtime per week over the course of an entire year (or 20 if they take 2 weeks off a year) for police officers is OK. Tbh I don’t think it’s OK for anyone who doesn’t earn dividends or bonuses based on company profits, but it’s even less OK for police.
Nah they definitely take it all. Usually just parked out side a gated community taking a nap or “working” the sideline at a sporting event or any number of other bullshit like “helping” at the dui checkpoint in the middle of the night chilling in the big air conditioned trailer maybe also napping. My buddy is a statie in another state overtime is plentiful but not actual hard police work like overtime at your job is just more of your job. For police it’s just paid hang out
If I worked 5 hours overtime every week for a year, my entire combined income would be less than what these guys make in 2 months ):
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Cops at my hospital are all in overtime. They bring in inmates for psych holds/psych eval. Then they act pushy and want us to give the patient shots for unjustified reasons, just so they can sit and watch movies without being bothered.
They must already get a hazard pay designation by being there, or else they’d be looking for ways to create hazards. So it could be worse.
It’s impossible to work 3000 hours of overtime in a year. This is fraud. If that person is actually working those hours, then it’s incompetence by the Sergeant above them allowing them to work that many overtime hours for no reason.
The money is in police detail work And a lot of them are able to do it during their normal shifts. The person probably did legitimately log that many hours or near that many hours, the problem is that they were able to do it in the first place.
3151 hrs of overtime.
78.775 full-time 40 hour weeks there.
So assuming 2 weeks of vacation, he somehow managed to work 128.775 weeks in a year?
128.775/50 - let’s see how many work weeks he had to work each week to get there - 2.5755
So each week he had to be working about 2.6 normal weeks, or about 103 hours a week.
Assuming he worked 7 days each week, he was doing 14.7 hour shifts every day of those 50 weeks of working 7 days with no breaks.
Hmm.
52 weeks in a year. If he worked all 52 full time it’s 4000hrs, which means we’re talking 40+ weeks which most people do work. So yes it’s within range. Remember you don’t have to be awake and working to be considered on duty. Overnight work is still paid work In a lot of industries
At the end of the day we’re both speculating here. The larger point is that unfortunately a lot of this is legal, which is the entire problem. They can get away with this shit without any recourse.
Your definition of full time is incorrect. Full time is 40h/week, at 52 weeks per year that’s 2080 hours per year. 3000 hours of overtime puts the total at 5080, or 19.5 hours per day.
That’s by working 5 days a week, every week, no vacation nor PTO nor sickness.
It is fraud
I think you are a bit off with your assumptions. In California, overtime is earned either when you work more than 40 hours per week, OR more than 8 hours a day.
So technically he could have for example worked three 24 hour shifts in a week, which would equal three 8 hour shifts (24 regular time hours) and three 16 hour overtime blocks (48h OT). 48 * 52 = 2,496 OT. He could have even been sleeping and on call while working that OT.
Definitely poor management but not guaranteed fraud. The math is more nuanced.
And it’s legal to have 24h shifts? Or 16h of overtime in a day?
Edit to add: I don’t know how it works in california, but where I’m from on-call duty is not the same as overtime, and you can’t mix the two. And there are limits to shift time (including on-call) + overtime. So even if it was legal to have 8h shifts and 16h of on-call duty (it isn’t) it wouldn’t be classified as overtime
No it must be fraud because ACAB
Unaccountable fraud is the new American Dream.
14.47 hour days to the maximum legal amount of days before days off. And working on holidays is time and a half or double time by default as well. Could be done. Not good, but not fraud.
The trick I read before is to arrest someone at the end of your shift, then you have to process them at overtime and possibly wait for a judge or something. They know the tricks to draw it out.
Of course why didn’t I think of arresting someone just to get overtime? Probably because I’m not a fucking psychopath
Sorry to inform you but your application to the police academy has been denied
The system is absolutely fucked. My mother, years ago, had just recently given birth to my youngest sister. She was pulled over with a suspended license. She didn’t know she had unpaid parking tickets. The cop was gonna let her go until backup stopped by (why this cop needed backup for a car that had two small women and baby is suspect). One of the backup cops was vehement on arresting my mom, her newborn be damned. The first cop explained that they get a $250.00 bonus for any arrests made. He tried and tried to convince the second cop not to arrest but said cop did not care in the slightest about separating a newborn from our mom. My mother spent the night in jail because that second cop only saw dollar signs looking at her.
It’s absolutely disgusting that they have financial incentive to put people through hell.
And saying that they get a $250 bonus in front of your mom is lowkey asking if she could make a better offer. My family is mixed race, and cops are absolutely corrupt as hell.
Depending on internals it doesn’t even necessarily need to be an arrest, just something that requires a report. My local PD apparently needs an incident report done within 12 hours of said incident taking place, this could be as simple as checking on a weird noise and finding a cat.
Paypigs
That “No Tax on Overtime” pitch makes perfect sense now.
Yes especially when Project 2025 also wants to reclassify what counts as overtime hours to make it unachievable for most.
True heroes, these rich cops. Not like schoolteachers, who are suspicious villains and possibly freeloaders, am I right?
*sigh
Not incentivizing our teachers/academics/social workers but highly incentivizing cops is going to devastate our country’s output soon.
De-educating the populace has been a plan for decades. This is nothing new.
Sounds corrupt but they’re the police so…I guess not?
Law in the US ceased to exist on January 20, 2025. The rest of us are just going through the motions until the reality catches up. (So, while in the past, something might have happened, now, they will get medals.)
It seems the whole world is at a fork in the road…rule by law or rule by power.
Now do California Highway Patrol.
I want the police abolished and the prisons emptied today. I don’t care what happens next.
If you’re making wild suggestions, you should probably care about the effects it will have
the reason for my latter sentence is that any impediment stops this goal from materializing. the right will always have a worry, or question, or addition, or delay, and each of these impediments prevents achieving the end goal. that latter sentence is strictly necessary to achieve the result.
You’re either being hyperbolic or you’re willfully ignorant about what would happen if we did that, neither of which help your case
Your failure to imagine a successful alternative doesn’t mean that the person you’re talking to is ignorant.
Your imagination seems to only go as far as ‘the prison doors open and anarchy occurs’. There are many alternatives to changing people’s behavior that isn’t simply locking them into boxes for decades at a time.
Nobody is saying that justice shouldn’t be done, only that the current system is not just and doesn’t improve the people that are put into it.
Why should this person need to use their imagination to legitimize someone else’s argument, especially one so absurd? OP should make their own argument.
Person A: The Police and prisons should be abolished.This is a person making a point. What they’re talking about is pretty obvious from the text.
Person B: "If you’re making wild suggestions, you should probably care about the effects it will have"This is a person making an implication. They never define what ‘the effects’ are, they simply hanging an implication. What they mean is left up to the imagination of the reader.
Person B again: "You’re either being hyperbolic or you’re willfully ignorant about what would happen if we did that, neither of which help your case"Once again, they’re not actually saying anything. They’re not saying “what would happen if we did that” they’re implying the the Person A is hyperbolic or willfully ignorant for believing… something. Something that they won’t actually define.
Again, this isn’t a point, this is the person implying something but never actually saying what it is.
This is a shitty conversational tactic where the person never has to take a position that can be argued against but can appear, to the ignorant, as if they are actually saying something cynical and intelligent.
I’m replying to the most obvious reading of the implication which is “If you abolish the police and prisons then there will just be criminals everywhere”.
But, because of this shitty conversational tactic, of not actually stating their position, Person B can simply come back and say “Oh I didn’t mean that” and move the goalposts elsewhere.
Why should this person need to use their imagination to legitimize someone else’s argument, especially one so absurd? OP should make their own argument.
It is that person who’s arguments are left to the imagination. Since they never actually say what they mean.
The first person in the conversion was pretty explicit about their position.
Person A: The Police and prisons should be abolished.
This isn’t a “point” it’s just an empty statement devoid of any reason or logic.
Person B: “If you’re making wild suggestions, you should probably care about the effects it will have”
This is a person making an implication. They never define what ‘the effects’ are, they simply hanging an implication.
It’s pretty damned obvious what will happen if you abolish all enforcement of the law, people will engage in more crime because there will be little to no consequences for said crime. This is basic reasoning that doesn’t require fantastical leaps of the imagination to figure out like Person A’s statement does. We can use history as our guide for this as this has happened numerous times in places where the government has collapsed. Places like Somolia where roving gangs controlled local territories with lots of blood and violence. What historical reference can you give where all laws were abolished and something good happened?
This is a shitty conversational tactic where the person never has to take a position that can be argued against but can appear, to the ignorant, as if they are actually saying something cynical and intelligent.
This sound like a description of Person A’s statement to me.
I love how you can write a book length comment on all the reasons why it’s wrong to argue against you and the OP but have yet to give a single actual argument for why your position makes any sense or will improve anything for anyone but criminals. You can’t even describe basic concepts like how any of this would work. Even OP stated “I don’t care what happens next” meaning they’ve given their “point” zero thought or consideration. You two are absolutely ridiculous.
Don’t get angry. Abolition is a good thing. It helps you. Instead, try to envision what the goal is. What do you think I’d like to achieve?
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
You’re not familiar with prison abolition? I have some links if you’d like to educate yourself. :)
Since you can be ‘too smart’ to be a cop, can we get them to remove the america’s finest from their cars and gear? Clearly that is no longer the case.
remove the america’s finest from their cars
They are finest at getting paid.
No wonder that cop in Parks & Recreation moved to San Diego.
Cops be living in the 60s:
- Has a low skill job
- Earns enough to buy a house and feed the famiky on a single income
- Easily get away with murder
- Twice as easy if it was a black person
- Easy access to drugs
Okay, fuck it, I’m getting out of this software engineering thing, I’m moving to the US to become a cop. I think I’m white enough for Trump, definitely whiter than he is.
I’ve eaten oranges whiter than he is
Here’s a test for you:
There’s a chunk of cash in an envelope. Do you take it?A non white person could be close by at any moment, are you fearing for your life?
You’re walking outside and you hear a dog bark in the distance. Are you shooting wildly in the basic direction of the sounds?
You’ve just killed an innocent person and been given a
paid holidaywhoops, I mean ‘suspension’, where would you like to go?This would be very funny if it weren’t true.
Hmm… If I find the envelope, yes. If someone is handing it to me as a bribe, no.
No
No
Hawaii maybe? Weather seems nice, same for the nature. Nice place to get your thoughts off murder.
Unfortunately you aren’t corrupt enough to become a cop, sorry.
Oh no!
defund.
Start with decimation first.
Reform.
Fuck that. No. Abolish.
So we can go back to the wild West but with machine guns? No thanks. Abolishing it won’t stop those same assholes from existing they’ll just move to different forms of torment, but a reform will allow the uncorrupted cops to stay and the bigoted to be removed.
“Uncorrupted cops” is an oxymoron. As soon as anyone becomes a cop, their personal merits no longer matter.
That makes no sense. Cops are humans not machines, and humans are invariably different.
That response makes no sense. It doesn’t matter who a cop is, when they’re employed as a cop their duties come first.
You’re looking at this very one sided. Life isn’t black and white.
