With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now. We don’t have to get over a damn thing. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it would be the democrats who assume they are the only way forward.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
No Hillary fan by any means but the sheer unbridled rage the white left launches into whenever she shows her face is kinda proving her point.
Entitled pricks still can’t own up to the roll they played in Trump winning in 2016, and they still can’t just shut the hell up about “muh establishment Dee En See!” now 8 years later when literally all their gripes can be answered with “then why didn’t you vote for it?”
Fucking seriously, Bernie didn’t lose to some establishment conspiracy, he made the mistake of thinking millennials and Zoomers could be counted on to show up at their population share in the primaries, nevermind the easy dominating share they could have had if white bougie leftists could be counted on to do anything but bitch about how other people aren’t doing the revolution they want for them.
Bernie deserved better than fucking all of you. He deserved supporters who’d have actually been there the literal one fucking time he actually needed you to be there over all those rallies and protests and marches all ova ya fucking social media feeds like wearing his fucking merch while you still sit on your ass on polling day does anything except make all those small donations contribute to a very expensive primary defeat.
So yes, get the shit over all of yourselves, none of you deserve to crack wise about how Hillary is apparently Satan incarnate for the crime of having a base of support who could actually be assed to turn out for a primary.
Cast your ballot, then piss and moan about it, nobody has the right to bitch until they open with their “I Voted” sticker as price of admission, as the show that they can be counted on to do the literal barest minimum of actual work to improve our country, before they start throwing a tantrum as if not voting or punishment voting didn’t get us fucking both of the worst administrations to curse our nation since Reagan.
THAT’S RIGHT YOU SHIT LORDS YOU GET THE CREDIT FOR BUSH TOO! I’M SURE YOUR VOTE FOR NADER REALLY TAUGHT THOSE ESTABLISHMENT DEMS A LESSON THAT TIME!
I’m sure this time yelling at the voters will work.
I didn’t give a shit that Clinton beat Sanders. I am however pissed that she then lost. The person most at fault for a candidate losing is the candidate.
As if Bernie could have beat Trump…
Without breaking a sweat. You greatly underestimate the hatred people have for Hilary “it’s my turn” Clinton.
We’ll never know. However, the media establishment absolutely didn’t want the two of them on a stage together.
Absolutely correct.
Except the system is broken and voting doesn’t help. No matter how much you want it to. Your vote is irrelevant to the DNC because they will pick whatever candidate they want anyways. It’s on THEM that Trump and Bush won. Not wanting to interact with a system so blatantly corrupt does not make me a bad person, and fuck you for claiming such. Maybe if there were confidence in LITERALLY ANYONE in government, young people would see the point in doing anything. The Dems are only there to lose to the Republicans while raking in donations and saying, ‘we just need to try HARDER!’. When they just roll over at the first sign of resistance from the right.
I’m so tired of you idiots claiming that voting is going to stop fascism. Liberals will tolerate fascism. They will bitch and moan and then go to work at the death camp.
Fuck that. I’m gonna kill fascists instead.
No it makes you a bad person.
Fuck you, you’re a bad person, you’re a bad person and a worse ally.
Voting does nothing for you people because YOU PEOPLE DON’T FUCKING DO IT.
It’s real fucking convenient a position to have that they’d never honor a result in favor of a progressive when the left has yet to ever rally for and actually show up at the polls for a candidate seriously.
Voting would work if you actually bothered to try it instead of just calling it a lost cause and writing off the lives of everyone ahead of you on the hit list like the psychopath you’re throwing a tantrum about how you’re not.
I’m sure you will kill all the fascists you want, just not until they get into power to kill everyone who had the gall to expect you to participate before dolling out orders to us lowlies like you get to demand to speak to the party’s manager or some white “left” karen shit.
You kill fascists after they kill everyone who has an agenda other than yours.
Rot in hell you self righteous collaborator.
This is exactly the way I feel about all these people who choose inaction and agitate for others to abstain. You’re so fucking right and I’m sick of all these comments coddling this cowardly attitude of abstinence from real action. My partner is a political organizer, works in civil rights and climate action. He’s Latino and disabled. We’re both trans and queer. I volunteer and organize. The reality is most people won’t volunteer or donate to make change. The easiest thing most people can do to make real change is to vote.
Claiming voting doesn’t work, and asserting you’d rather not vote than vote for a middle of the road candidate versus the fascist… it’s a privileged take. It’s not allyship. It’s not about helping people or making a difference, it’s moral purity. They’d rather throw away lives than taint their soul with an impure decision. I don’t have the privilege to maintain my purity, and those that do should take a hard look at how they’re using that privilege.
It might make you feel icky icky to vote for the guy you dislike versus the man who wants to exterminate me. Get over it or be honest that you’d rather feel pure than take action.
Privileged lefties’ prioritization of moral purity over real action will be the death of us.
Try not seating a neoliberal as the candidate then, maybe you can get some leftists to go vote. The fact that so many people were assaulting the “Bernie Bros” proved to me that people like you are not leftists, you’re just rainbow neolibs.
Except study after study show that the US does not respond to the will of the people, they respond to the will of the copreration, Your vote does not matter because once in office your will does not matter, This has been born out in actual full studies.
Yeah it doesn’t work, that’s why they’re fighting so hard to kill it and to spread propaganda about how it doesn’t work.
Just say you care more about being right than about doing right, it’s ok, all the PoC and Queer Folks and Women you like to pretend your an ally to already know you’re cynically intent on taking advantage of your being lower on the kill list than all of them, you don’t have to keep pretending your a good person anymore.
Go, be free, live your live as the psychopathic wannabe Peter Baelish you convince yourself in your glorious revolution wet dreams that you aren’t.
Except they have done genuine studies on this, and the will of the american people has no effect on laws passed in the states or the federal government. I wish I was making this up but I am not, I will not go so far as to say a vote means absolutly nothing in total terms, but in figuritive terms it is meaningless, and there are studies to prove this.
Second, You do not know anything about me or what I do or what I hold dear. That being said, I am higly unlikely to be lower or at the very least significatly lower on the kill list than any of them, I also do very much cair about them, I also refuse to give my vote at gun point to someone who has done none of what they promised other than “No change” to doners. A man who happily broke a labor strike, a man who is aiding with no qualms and bending over backwards to protect a genoicede. No they do not get my vote. Especialy when the "threat: on the other side has no material difrence.
I mean, intersting that you assume my dreams are to immulate a fictional charicter, they are not, and I can tell you I am well aware that the revolution 1 is not a “wet dream” that is just… disgusting eww… and 2 is not anywhere close, the amount of class contiousness needed is not anywhere near where it needs to be… there are also people like you who seem to think the idea of a revolution is cilly and psycopathic, and all you have to to is vote… dispite the studies showing that the vote does not matter at the best of times, and this is not that.
If you want to know who my Hero I would want to Imulate is that would be John Brown leading a Ritchous Revolution, or Castro, or Mao, or Lennin. but no I would not think about playing out some fictional charicter
no material difference
And right there you’ve outed that you’re just lying about being in any position of peril
I’m sure your lady friends could tell you all about the fucking material difference Clinton would have made in their reproductive rights not getting stripped from them, but in all your god appointed privileged saviorship you’ll just inform them that they should have made a better case about how their medical sovereignty was on the fucking line because the only people to whom the democrats and republicans are completely the same are the exact privileged twats who are ruining this country for all of us out of some twisted karen spite demanding to see the party’s manager for not doing the revolution they demanded for them WHEN THEY DIDN’T FUCKING VOTE FOR IT AT THE PRIMARY.
YOU FUCKING CUNT WAFFLE, YOU KEEP TRYING TO SKIP THE PART WHERE YOU HYPOCRITES ARE THE FUCKING REASON IT’S INEFFECTIVE, BECAUSE YOU DON’T VOTE FOR POLITICIANS WITH VIEWS MORE IN LINE WITH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT YOU CLAIM TO BE SPEAKING FOR!
You’re no ally to change or revolution, you’re a snivelling rat collaborator who will be lined up and shot with the rest of the fascists when the revolution you want comes and it comes out that you actively fought against averting the rise of the fascists because “well the not fascists just didn’t earn my vote!”
Hear hear!
Except 1) votes need to be earned and 2) the DNC argued and won in court that election season that they did not have to provide a fair playing feild in the primary as a private organisation, they could even select their nomonee however they wanted too reguardless.
If “the alternative are fascists” doesn’t earn your vote, you’re a fascist.
Hillary Clinton is irrelevant, and should get over herself.
And always makes things worse. Just shut up already.
She should go hang out with her buddy Henry Kissinger, whatever he’s up to these days.
Rich old bat, nobody cares; you might not be first for the guillotine but don’t worry you’re definitely in the queue.
What political side even are you? I assume some far left tankie idiocy.
Taking sides in politics is just about the most pointless thing you can possibly do with your existence on this earth. They don’t know you. No one cares. It’s not a team sport.
So caring about things and the world is pointless?
They don’t like to hear it, because the guillotine jokes are comforting to them, but calling for the mass execution of undesirables (no matter the flavor) is the most authoritarian loving thing there is. 100% tankie shit.
There are massive changes that need to happen in the west, but revolt and execution are not it.
They are just hoping they’ll be in the “in” crowd when the violence starts, not realizing that by a small whim of chance, they could actually be the ones being hunted. Wouldn’t be a comforting joke then.
Robespierre definitely found that one out.
I just hope they never try making those jokes in Germany, I don’t think their Bougyevik hearts could handle the irony of being prosecuted for accidentally stanning the most popular method of execution outside the camps during the Nazi reign of terror.
Hilary propped up Trump. Never forget that. The political turmoil we are currently in is directly because or her. Fuck her and the DNC
She got her second choice in 2016, like all centrists did.
Since when was she a centrist? Her congressional voting and action history put her way left of the party, way farther than Obama, and second only to Bernie Sanders.
She openly opposed gay marriage as a NYS senator. Her career has been over long before 2016.
Oh, fun, we’re going back to the usual BS that tried to be thrown at her, despite her having the longest history of supporting the LGBT community out of anyone involved. I also remember leftists getting super pissed off when so many of the LGBT community supported her (though not the young ones who didn’t live through the period) because of her long history of supporting the community and being there, both personally and with her political position.
With her being likely the first Congressperson to force equal federal compensation and benefits for same sex couples that worked in her office or, later as SoS, who were in her department. Even if those couples weren’t married in the time period before that became legal.
Basic human rights are not subject to pragmatism. She wound up where she needed to be.
Lie to someone else. Obama won the 2008 primaries because his healthcare plan was to the left of Clinton’s.
Centrists in congress made sure to limit Obama’s plan to what Clinton ran on.
She’s nothing but a centrist.
Wait, wait, wait, are we talking about the healthcare plan that was fundamentally based on the individual mandate from the Heritage Foundation?
Also, are you referring to this plan from Hillary?
Yes and yes. Obama ran on a public option and no individual mandate. Clinton ran on no public option and an individual mandate. The Heritage Foundation plan was still to the left of what Clinton ran on.
We got what Clinton wanted, but the voters wanted what Obama was selling. Even though it turned out to be a bill of goods.
I remember the 08 campaign. Her cronies also made a huge stink about flag pins, started the “Obama isn’t a citizen” rumors that Trump would run with later, and once she had lost the nomination because the party didn’t successfully quash her opposition for her, her supporters started a PAC to get McCain/Palin elected because Clinton’s cult would rather have Palin as VP than have a black man be president.
Clinton’s VP pick of Tim Kaine in 2016 was an additional “fuck you” to everyone to her left. I get that you’re trying to pretend that Clinton is someone that the left should be happy with, but Clinton is centrist at best. She’s a corporate owned neoliberal from the “triangulate between the meekest Democrat and the vilest republican” Third Way James Carville wing of the party.
Yes, she is absolutely a centrist.
Hillary Clinton is an avid follower of the Iron Law of Institutions
Blink 2 times if you are being held against your will
Apologies for actually knowing the history of the subject. I’ve had these debates with misinformed people on subject regarding Clinton, Biden, and so many others going back years. For some reason, far left people actively fall for made up right wing BS claims about Democrats.
Liberals translate ‘misinformed’ to mean anything I don’t like
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.
“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.
“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."
While the campaign also kept a close eye on Rubio, monitoring his announcement speech and tightly designing the tweeted responses to his moves, Clinton’s team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump’s shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, “I like people who weren’t captured.”
Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
I remember something like this happening in Germany…some people like Von schleicher and Von Papen thinking if they propped up Hitler it would help the conservative old Gaurd consolidate power…not exactly the same but it looks the same and smells like shit to me
I remember something similar, the far left in Germany stabbing the Social Democrats in the back thinking Hitler coming to power would teach those establishment politicians a lesson and surely they’d get to bulldoze their way to lead next time!
“First Hitler, then Our Turn.”
I don’t think it’s fair to put Trump all on her. If we were to ask anyone 10 years ago if someone like Trump could win the presidency we all would have laughed. No surprise they tried to prop up an opposing candidate they thought was bad.
The Simpsons warned her, and she did it anyways.
Yeah, that was exactly the feeling at the time. No one saw Trump coming.
I can only assume people making claims otherwise now are kids who have no understanding of the history involved.
Not just kids, white kids, nobody else needs to have it explained to them why throwing the election to punish the establishment does nothing to help anyone and in fact makes you not just a collaborator, but the most insidious and/or idiotic sort of one imaginable.
Their thinking is either, “I know how to defeat the fascists! Let the fascists win!” or much more likely underneath, “I know exactly where I stand on the hit list, I can wait it out for enough bodies to pile up so I can file my demands with the bodies as set dressing!”
The white left would see us all be made corpses before they ever tolerated the possibility that we might not choose to follow them without being convinced and compromised with.
I’ve read through several of your comments in this thread. Do you know any IRL leftists, or are you just assuming everyone is white from talking to people on lemmy?
Most of the leftists I know IRL aren’t white. And I’m sure some of them didn’t bother to vote for Hillary.
Literally everyone I know is either a leftist or comfortable in leftist spaces, and literally everyone I know thinks that the white “left” fuckasses who threw 2016 because counting votes instead of individual donors didn’t let them feel pandered to enough aren’t worth the air they breathe to spew their bullshit about what we made them do to us.
Dobbs is the white “left’s” child, they had the chance to abort, but they actively chose not to, and now they don’t get to abandon that child just because the fact that it wanders the neighborhood skinning small animals reflects bad on them.
Any real leftist with functioning brain cells either voted for Hillary or has owned up to the severe mistake that not doing that was, anyone else is just red-washing them being a fascist collaborator, and would live to see trial among the rest of the lot if the revolution they claim they want instead of voting ever actually came.
They don’t get to call themselves socialists while selling out the common laborer to republican governance, they don’t get to call themselves an ally while standing by as women are hung by the umbilical chord because republicans would rather let them die than allow the possibility that a woman can “pull a fast one on them,” they don’t get to call themselves anti-imperialists while making space for the president who handed Israel Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights getting back into office if it means they get to feel valid about using my people’s corpses as set dressing for the whole sickening display they want to paint for themselves as the saviors of us lowly ungratefuls who shall descend upon us with their divinely inspired marching orders that will surely brint about world peace and global communist revolution and surely won’t just get us all killed while they sigh and gaslight the survivors about how we just didn’t revolution hard enough for their brilliant plans to work.
I agree that any
leftistperson with two brain cells to rub together ought to have voted for Clinton in the general. I voted Sanders in the primary, and I certainly turned out for her. Maybe it’s just because I’ve blocked most of the tankie dipshits masquerading as leftists, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim otherwise that wasn’t a bona fide fash.I do think it’s both fallacious and counterproductive to blame Sanders supporters for Clinton’s loss, considering they voted for her at a much higher rate than Clinton’s own supporters did for Obama in 2008. Fully 25% of Clinton’s 2008 primary supporters voted McCain in the general. By comparison, only 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump.
I feel you. I just know a lot of black leftists that fall into that camp, so you constantly saying white leftists didn’t fit with my world view.
I emphasize white because it’s white mindset
Willful blindness to the perspective of the PoC who find themselves most at risk whenever one of these vote strike or punishment vote movements spins up
I saw Trump coming. He did something no one else was doing at the time: acknowledge just how miserable life was for many Americans at the time. Other politicians have been content to pretend everything is great save for their pet policy projects, Trump said it’s all bad. In a post-COVID world this would be more effective save for his own history of failure and inaction, but people often have short memories and they will forget quickly if they get angry about something else.
Last thing anyone needs is the narcissist Hillary Clinton inserting herself where she doesn’t belong. I imagine voting enthusiasm will already be low because the choice between a failed conman and Weekend at Biden’s isn’t particularly enticing, so maybe Hillary can just fuck off for a bit and not make it worse.
I don’t think it’s fair to put Trump all on her
Why not? Her supporters blame Trump on anyone who ever thought about voting for Sanders in the primaries, regardless of who they voted for in the general, and have for nearly 8 years now.
Sanders campaigned for her in states she ignored because they were full of worthless flyover hayseeds who were beneath her. Her campaign didn’t seem to understand how the electoral college functions.
Her campaign WANTED to go up against Trump because they were unforgivably stupid enough to think that Republicans would be less energized by a charismatic con man than by Jeb Bush, Republicans’ presumptive frontrunner that no one wanted.
Clinton earned her loss multiple times over.
Shut up, cunt.
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If she’s jaded about the whole thing, can’t say I blame her. If the dems had pushed to get rid of the stupid electoral college after Gore’s “loss” she might have been president.
To be fair, I don’t think she would have made a good president even if the electoral college didn’t exist. She would have been better than Trump but that’s not saying much, because a shit sandwich is better than Trump.
Why wouldn’t she have been good? She was one of the few people in Congress that actually cared about understanding and enacting policy (ie actually getting stuff done). Her platform was the only one with actual details on how to accomplish the stated goals on a legal level.
Not that any of that matters now, since her comment here is pretty shit.
But I don’t like the re-writing of history on how she was a million times better candidate than Trump and had a ton of made up conspiracy nonsense being claimed about her at the time.
The thing with Hillary Clinton is that, even conspiracy theories aside (because I’m not a conspiracy theorist), her morals are ambiguous. She is not “clean”, with some questionable things she’s done over the years, including some potential corruption.
Now, I’m not saying she’s the most corrupt in the bunch, but she’s not the saint that sometimes the Democrats make her out to be. I’m also not holding her to a higher standard, because that’s bullshit, but what I’m saying is if we are taking the moral high ground here, we should pick a better mascot.
Ultimately it comes down to whether would she have been a better president than Trump? Without a doubt. But would she have been a good president? I’m not convinced.
Feel free to point out what corruption and morals you’re referring to that aren’t based on conspiracy theories or made up right wing mud-slinging then.
I remember a lot of the usual made up claims about her being anti-LGBT despite her long history of actually supporting the LGBT community (and voting or not voting for gay marriage in NYS is not a gotcha about her history or her reasons then).
It reminds me a lot of the made up nonsense about Biden’s history with the African American community that right wingers and leftists were trying to mudsling over, yet said groups still being perplexed why he continued to have such massive support in said community. Because despite twisting of statements from decades ago, it was his actions that mattered. And that there’s context to those actions (such as how the black community itself was the primary pushing force behind the 1994 crime bill).
What did she get wrong? The Iraq War vote was a huge one in my opinion, but of course this entire question depends on your individual values.
Really? You’re bringing up that long since debunked canard? I can only assume you don’t know anything about the context because you were a child when said vote happened.
Hint: That vote in question wasn’t actually about allowing a war. And it didn’t help that Bush actively lied about what intel we had from Iraq and Afghanistan. He really should have faced charges for that alongside Cheney.
That would have taken a Constitutional amendment and I don’t think that would have been possible any time within the last 24 years.
The Democrats never had anywhere near the majority needed and I doubt enough states would be willing to ratify it if they did.
I think the electoral college is stupid and archaic, but I also think we’re stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
There’s a workaround that several states have signed on for. Your state allocates all of the electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote. But they only do it once enough states sign on to make a majority.
It sounds great, but I would be very surprised if any red states went along with it.
I think best case is that you get enough purple states to sign on. But either way, it’s a lot more feasible than an amendment.
You ever know until you try. They couldn’t even be bothered to get behind the idea. It’s bitten them in the ass repeatedly.
I think they did know, which is why they didn’t try. You need 2/3 of both houses of congress and a ratification by 3/4 of the states. There has been no time between 2000 and 2024 when that would have had the remotest chance of happening. All they would have done would be to waste taxpayer dollars on something performative.
Like I said, I don’t like the electoral college and I wish we didn’t have it, but we’re stuck with it.
While you’re content throwing up your hands claiming nothing can be done, republicans already have a plan to change the electoral college to their advantage.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/nebraska-electoral-system
You need 2/3 of both houses of congress and a ratification by 3/4 of the states
You don’t actually need Congress at all. You need 2/3s of the states to initiate the process via the convention route, and 3/4 to ratify (so functionally, probably 3/4 of states, assuming that a state willing to ratify is also willing to initiate).
But functionally, there is no way that 3/4 of the states are going to make a change to shift power away from smaller states to larger states.
Okay, fair enough, but that’s not going to happen either.
It’s been estimated that as little as 2% of the population could kill an amendment if their state legislators voted likewise against it.
We don’t need amendments anymore, we need to uproot the whole fucking thing and start fresh, new state borders, new constitution, new rule of law.
They’ve rigged the game for long enough to justify flipping the table and pulling out the ol’ bully pulpit to smack the states into their fucking place.
Eisenhower set the precedent to flip the national guard around at their state governments if they act up, and Reagan set the precedent of cutting them off and letting them starve for funds until they get with the fucking program.
These subhumans want civil war anyways, let’s give them the war they’ll never forget again, and then let’s actually see that damn southern occupation through to the proper finish this fucking time!
She really just needs to get over herself and shut the fuck up. She lost to Trump. Why the fuck would anyone listen to her on how to beat him?
OK Boomer.
I’m voting for Biden but I’m not obligated to be excited or happy about or to not critique it for the DNC. It’s a choice between a lawful neutral (at best) milquetoast waffling imperial fuckhead and an outright chaotic evil dictatorial megalomaniac imperial fuckhead. One choice is clearly superior but that’s the choice that’s also dangling the more dangerous choice over me like a threat as the reason to vote for them. That’s pretty fucking abusive, if you ask me.
Talking down to voters with stuff like “Why don’t you go run for something, then?” worked out so well for her before, right?
Well said. The two front runners are like creepy old lords from Game of Thrones or something. One is much worse, but neither is good.
The Clintons need to retire quietly, nobody wants their input.
One is much worse, but neither is good.
Given that one of them will be president after the election, it should be obvious that preventing the much worse option is in everyone’s best interest.
South Park called it long ago and it still fits. It fits with Hillary and Trump back in 2016 and today. It’s a choice between a shit sandwich and a douche bag. They just missed the part where one is hell bent on destroying our democracy and then added a season with Mr Garrison as president.
Now we are repeating history and might put “Garrison” in charge again. I never liked history but I didn’t think we were this dumb it hasn’t even been a decade but that’s more to do with brain washing
Though I loved Steven A. Smith’s smokey-voiced play-by-play of how Hillary fucked up, - just like CNN would be expected to do - he focus on how this comment hurt her and Joe Biden’s standing because is would “alienate voters” and the margins are thin, but not how wrong and almost grotesque it is for a politician to say, “You have to vote for me, because of how bad the other guy is!”
Like, yeah, you rigged this system and now because of your own decisions, you have made it a tenuous situation. You have two choices - change or let the other guy win. What do you want, democrats? You tell us it’s an emergency! Why don’t you get to it! And we won’t fall for bullshit promises, we want action now - especially on the urgent stuff like Palestine. You gave us the vote, and we’re using it Libs.
Two things can be true at the same time.
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She is a target of mysgonstic flavored consisparcy theories.
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She truly is unlikeable with half measure policies while being woefully out of touch with the average person.
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She is / was 100x more qualified than Trump.
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American voters are idiots.
- She should have run on a platform that was better than “What else are you going to do, vote for Trump?”
- She shouldn’t have pushed trump as the pied Piper candidate in the first place.
And yet, unelectable!
She’s from the Chicago suburbs, fuck that entitled bitch.
It’s easy to be more qualified than totally unqualified. She was the obvious choice, but her total lack of charisma to voters destroyed that.
The worst part is that more people voted for her, just not where it counts because she couldn’t be bothered to campaign there
Yeah, cause she’s an elitist piece of shit, which makes her unqualified to anyone with a fuckin brain.
Still more qualified than the woefully unqualified, elitist trash that is Trump. Lol
Sure, but that doesn’t negate the fact that Dem shills are dumb as fuck too, just not blatantly malicious like Republicans
Ok, but she got more votes across the nation in a nationwide election for a Federal job, so…?
Cause people are idiots…?
And she stole the election from Bernie…?
As shitty as this sounds, does it matter whether or not she won the popular vote if that was not the metric for winning?
She, a career politician, should know that and her strategy was lacking.
Oh, for sure, she should have had a better strategy. I don’t disagree that she ran a terrible campaign. But OP said “more people voted for her” despite her bad strategy, which is true and frankly should have been a national point of months of protests. But instead, the person I responded to implied it doesn’t matter because she’s [insert stereotypical Clinton hate vomit].
It does matter. She did get more votes. That is in fact a fairer and more just way of representing a national vote for a national/Federal position. We all know there’s an electoral college. But there absolutely shouldn’t be because it inherently counts some votes as more valuable than others, which is frankly incompatible with democracy. So yes, that definitely matters.
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That’s A real hoot coming from the woman who gave us president Donald Trump.
Real stupid take from the lemmy user. At best the voters “gave” you trump.
Nah if not for Hillary, Bernie would have easily beat trump
The electoral college gave us trump. Clinton won the popular vote.
Real stupid take from the lemmy user. Trump lost the popular vote.
Real stupid vote from the Trump user. Lemmy lost the popular take.
As a middle aged millennial (how the hell did that happen?) I am so proud of this comment section.
The two powers with a death grip on our society need to (a) let that shit go and (b) fix our voting system before that society breaks.
Changing our voting system will take longer than we have before society breaks
I agree but the fact that it’s her saying it means it will not be helpful.
She did try to pander to us with this gem of a phrase, “I don’t know who created Pokémon Go, but I want to figure out how to get them to have Pokémon Go to the polls”
Hillary is a downer cuck that needs to stfu and gtfo. Nobody cares what she has to say. She’s done enough. Please just fuck off and go make some insider trades or something.
