No need to name names or sources.

Mine has to be some dude that insisted that advertising is a “30,000 year old technology”

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    Aristotle was a professor wrestler who started a math cult that hated beans. He is best known for having developed the intercept theorem and diverting the Halys river.

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    One that I read on Mastodon:

    Every bad thing about commercial software is the programmers’ fault. Even if it was something that management decided and the programmer fought against it and lost. They claimed you should rather risk losing your job than accepting an inconvenience for your user. Weird take but okay. Then they started comparing software engineers to soldiers “just following orders” during the holocaust. That’s where I blocked them. Cherry on top: they have “if you want to hire me as a software engineer, message me” in their bio. I wonder why nobody wants to hire them…

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    In posts like this and elsewhere, commenters kept claiming the noun female to refer to a human is generally derogatory or offensive.

    Someone wrote

    Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.

    A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.

    Despite abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory, so it all depends on the context, they’d insist that usage of the word itself is offensive, insulting, or disrespectful. They didn’t seem to consider that promoting new sexist framings (ie, female is a dirty word) for wider adoption in our language serves sexists more than anything, and it might make more sense to resist that.

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      Outside of a purely descriptive term of the biological differences between the sexes, that is derogatory.

      It is often used to dehumanize women, as the term is mostly used when talking about animals.

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        So you didn’t look at the

        abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory

        did you?

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          Why would I?

          You cite no source for what you write as if it was fact.

          The fact that you try to make it look like scientific language tells me that you actually know why the term is derogatory, and you doubling down makes me think you argue in bad faith.

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            Confirmed: couldn’t even search females in lemmy. Disregards common classified ads. Claims “bad faith”.

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                Same applies to your counterclaim.

                The fact remains that counterexamples to your claim are common, which wouldn’t be expected if the conventional meaning were derogatory.

                Here’s an example quoting a story in the news:

                “What if I would have been armed,” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed—that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. […]"

                So your claim is that by referring to her daughters as females, this mother is insulting them?

                While I might be able to argue in “bad faith”, the unsolicited speech productions of the community do not. Do you want more examples?

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    God how many times have I endured variations of “Russia is just defending itself against NATO aggression.” They’ve gotten more clever about it, they tend to avoid ever stating anything outright and instead just keep asking questions to burden you as they dance around it. But it’s pretty obvious once you see a few clear lines with bait.

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    Whatever the hell this conversation was:

    Transcript:

    Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That’s completely idiotic, production exist because there’s demand for it.

    commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it’s production?

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

    commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there’s a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

    friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?

    commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I’m trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

    friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they’re not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there’s no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don’t have infinite resources

    commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That… must be the dumbest discussion I’ve had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you’re sober

    commie, ↑1 ↓1: I’ve been sober all day.

    friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say

    commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I’ve said is true. you’re objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

    friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you’re just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It’s simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won’t consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won’t produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won’t elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

    Also, not that it matters, but you’re arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

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    Here’s a fresh one: someone called me a shitty parent because I think Americans are generally very intolerant of kids in public spaces. They flew off the handle because I said what some people call “annoying” I call “being a kid.” There are a lot of people on Lemmy who get very angry about the idea that kids might irritate them or otherwise make themselves known, and they immediately start ranting about how those parents are dog shit and the kids need to essentially be muzzled.

    I have a pretty big ax to grind with all the eugenics/breeder bullshit going on in my country right now. It’s very scary and I get why people are weary of having kids. But anti-natalism is not a good look and this tendency for people to feel borderline virtuous for calling parents shitty for “not controlling their kids“ is really something to behold.

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      I would guess many people on here have done the research but have little experience with the actions necessary to conceive

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      Listen, I just hate kids man. It’s probably my most consistent thing since I was a kid. Fuck kids. We should just be growing adults out of a vat, it’s 2025 for fucks sake.

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        You do you but I don’t imagine that translates into you calling random people “shitty parents” when they disagree lol

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        I have met dozens of people who have told me they hate kids throughout my life, and they have without fail been the absolute worst. I get that kids can be irritating, but hate? fuck you.

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          Yes. It feels like a specific kind of projection. Their subconscious reconfizes they were a shitty kid raised by a shitty parent and are still shitty people because of it and then paint that over every child because it’s what shitty people do.

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            Well this couldn’t be further from my truth but maybe other people are like that. I dunno. I also don’t actually hate kids, I thought my comment was evidently hyperbolic bu I guess not.

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      Here’s a great response to any parent who gets the “You must be a shitty parent” line.

      “And you ARE a shitty person”

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      because I think Americans are generally very intolerant of kids in public spaces. kids running around and screaming in a restaurant is fine, actually

      Don’t go to other threads and lie about your conversations, dude, they’re public!

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      Not just kids, a lot of adults are annoying as hell too.
      But Kids should be free to learn so for me it feels like they are allowed/have the right to be annoying

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        You’d be amazed how many people are not patient with that learning process. And they always cite the same caricature. Some dude told me he has issues with “kids at bars” and “candlelit dinners.” What the fuck is he even on about?

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        Yeah, the two are usually (though not always) correlated. Annoying adults have annoying kids that grow up to be annoying adults, and the cycle continues.

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        But Kids should be free to learn so for me it feels like they are allowed/have the right to be annoying

        That is a fantastic perspective.

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      I remember that one. It was a weird thread. We had people saying they let their kids poop on the floor, and others that only let their kids out of their cages for special occasions.

      Of course, those were exaggerations of the extremes, but it got very heated.

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        The “poop on the floor” thing is unfortunately a reality of potty training but that shouldn’t happen in public spaces, nor have I ever heard or witnessed that lol

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      depending on context, I could easily support either side of this argument.

      on the one hand, people overreact too much.

      on the other hand, children are often unpleasant to be around.

      On a third hand, people in general are often unpleasant to be around, children are just different kinds of unpleasant.

      Setting also matters. Playing and screaming in a park? probably fine. playing and screaming in a library? those kids have bad parents.

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        Sir, where did you get a third hand. Grave robbing and necromancy is illegal around here.

        Tho I do very much agree with what you have on said third hand.

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        Libraries have sections for kids man. Most people adhere to it. You (Royal you) can’t let theoreticals/rare cases inform your feelings on these issues.

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          Divorced of context, I 100% agree. However, I don’t think you’ve engaged with my point. There are settings in which it is simply NOT ok for children to be playing and screaming, full stop. “but what about-” No, you’ve changed the setting and now we’re not talking about the same thing anymore.

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            But who ever said kids should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want? This feels a bit strawman to me. No one is advocating for that, certainly not me.

            Kids are going to be on your public transit, your airplanes, on sidewalks, at pizza shops, etc. and people need to not just accept but embrace them. They are a part of your community, just like any other person. If being an inconvenience or annoying was an acceptable reason for people to reject you, then we’d have a lot bigger issues (than we already have) with the elderly, people with autism, people in wheel chairs, etc. No one gets mad when the bus takes an extra bit of time to help someone with a disability get settled. Yes an infant may cry or scream in public. They do that.

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              But who ever said kids should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want?

              You did. Not directly of course, but a reader can easily tell that this is your opinion based on your interactions with me and others here in this thread.

              Either that or you don’t want to be held accountable for the actions of your children.

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                Well apparently it’s not that easy to tell because that is not what I believe at all. So are you going to actually ask me what I think are you going to keep smugly telling me what my opinions are as a parent?

                Actually don’t bother responding unless the last word is that important to you. You clearly have an ax to grind and you’re being an asshole. Have a good one.

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                  Well apparently it’s not that easy to tell because that is not what I believe at all. So are you going to actually ask me what I think are you going to keep smugly telling me what my opinions are as a parent?

                  Actually don’t bother responding unless the last word is that important to you. You clearly have an ax to grind and you’re being an asshole. Have a good one.

                  I genuinely laughed at this. Countdown until the above is deleted by creator? This comment exists to preserve yours.

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      Not going to argue about the general kid stance. Just about the “shitty parent” bit, which is also de main complain.

      There are two tiers of good/bad parent. There’s the objective one, are the kids being hurt? No, then you are a good parent. Pretty easy.

      But there’s a more complex one. Are your education as a parent helping to produce an adult with a series of determined characteristics? This is a lot more complex. As there’s no universal agree on what a good adult is so there cannot be a good agree on which parenting is good because it produces these type of adults.

      I’d would assume that when people say “you are a shitty parent” they would me mostly saying “your education will produce an adult that I do not consider desirable in my idea of a society”. That’s subjective. Some people prefer some traits and other prefer others.

      As in this general example if someone sees a kids making a lot of noise and their parents not correcting them they may say “that’s a shitty parent”. Do they think they are hurting the kids? No. They’ll just probably think that those kids will grow up to be noisy adults and they don’t like noisy adults, so they think that’s not a desirable education for a kid in their society. Nothing more. I wouldn’t take those “you are a shitty parent” in any other way.

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        You’re missing the issue - I know what they’re thinking, but frankly I don’t understand why people feel entitled to make that statement after simply disagreeing with one or two sentences of mine or someone else. The point is it is an extremely rude, personal attack that borders on cruel. It cannot be overstated how deeply personal that attack is and how unwarranted it almost always is.

        I said “we need to be patient with kids,” they said “kids are obnoxious in public spaces,” I said “what you may consider annoying I often consider kids just being kids,” and they said “you’re a shitty parent.” Does that sound like an even remotely appropriate escalation to you? They are hardly unique in this behavior. This is basically a meme at this point on the Internet. If you say are a parent and advocate for kids at all, people just call you a shitty parent immediately. And they’re so excited to do it andget so much support in it. It’s not right.

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          It’s not appropriate. But don’t take it personal.

          I am sensitive to noises, so I can empathize very well with people who suffer when noisy/kids people are around. It can be really debilitating and stressful. And frustrating, as there’s usually no control over that situation. So it’s usual for people to vent the extreme frustration generated by shit talking.

          Maybe they have a neighbor with noisy kids and they are suffering every day because of it (as it is my case for instance). So being rude to strangers who may not have special concerns if kids/people are noisy or not is a way to vent. Not a good way, but it’s natural in most people to vent their frustration with people they assume (correctly or not) are related to their suffering.

          What I mean is that noise sensibility can be a very serious issue to some people. Empathy and compassion is needed in this cases when defending anything related with noisemaking.

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            You are totally right that there are many reasons why people could feel that way. But like a lot of things on the Internet, I think it’s simply a behavior that is being rewarded. It’s become trendy to hate parents and kids. People basically assume you’re a breeder eugenicist republican the moment you say you love your kids or suggest that your kids should be allowed to exist in the community like everyone else.

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      I agree, but also I think there’s a line between “kiddo getting excited or having a hard time in a public space” vs. “this kid is being neglected by their parents in favor of phones, and/or not taught general manners and human-to-human respect” because their parents are also inconsiderate of other people.

      A child having a meltdown in a grocery store, or bouncing around a park or making excited commentary at a movie theater I can easily forgive. Ignoring and letting a child run off unattended in a restaurant where a server can trip and get hurt is a problem. A kid getting antsy happens, but you also need to let them know why they should be mindful in certain environments.

      That said, there needs to be more openly kid-friendly spaces in the US, since they need free space to let off energy and develop their minds freely.

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    One of the first argument I’ve got myself into was returning the shopping cart to the designated spot. This person was replying to like 5 people at once justifying why they don’t always return the cart, because the weather is hot and the corral is far, etc. while we disapproved.

    Got some reddit argument PTSD from that lol

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      I used to not take my cart in, but I worked at Walmart at the time and pushed carts for them when needed. I didn’t mind doing it all, and didn’t care where anyone left their carts. Now that I’ve been at a better job for a while I put them up. Don’t want to be out of touch with Cary pushing.

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      I started an argument like that once. I made a joke about how there is literally always at least one person who defends not putting the cart back.

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        I don’t put the cart back because the workers at my grocery store keep telling me not to

        To be fair I walk with a limp and a cane and hobbling back to my car is more of a pain then just popping the front of the cart up and hitching it on the planters. So it doesn’t roll into someone.

        The workers there know me well and I show up 10 mins before closing on my way to work every day to get a snack for work.

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        Only reason to not put it back is when you don’t wanna fight the homeless person bringing it back for you to keep the deposit coin.

        Or when you’re drunk, going downhill with friends, crash and total it and take it home to make a grill out of it.

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        They weren’t defending that, the argument was whether someone who doesnt return a trolley is a bad person or not. Some people argued it was a trivial thing that meant nothing either way, some argued it meant they were evil, and some argued in the middle somewhere.

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          it’s a low stakes indicator.

          someone who doesn’t return their cart isn’t automatically a bad person, but rather is more likely to be a bad person than someone who does return their cart.

          people are lazy and in a hurry, so will often not say the full long version, and this applies to many things people often say. People then get “um actually” about it because the short version is technically wrong.

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        The only defence is “I’m a dickwad”. And I’d accept that if they owned it and we could verbally abuse them for being a dick, for only like 10 minutes after every episode.

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          Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Take this empty glass. Here it is, peaceful, serene and boring. But if it is [Pushes glass off table] destroyed…

          Robot cleaners move to clean broken glass

          Look at all these little things. So busy now. Notice how each one is useful. What a lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color.

          Now, think about all those people that created them. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of people who’ll be able to feed their children tonight so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny weeny children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain…of life.

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      Lmao I think I remember that one! Big Cart has a network of Lemmy shills, trust no one. 🕵‍♂️

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      The shopping cart argument is a great place to start managing the human race. And I don’t mean in a binary manner - let’s just start with those who never bother returning the cart. To a startlingly large majority, they tend to demonstrate traits that are wholly incompatible with a polite and empathetic society.

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    Someone was trying to say the Van Halen’s song “Jump” was about suicide. Despite being presented with an interview with David Lee Roth (who wrote the song) explaining what the song was about. Still think about that. Idk why. Maybe because it was like one of those conversations you have with an edgy emo kid in highschool and realize they are full of shit. Some weird nostalgia I guess

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      It is a song influenced by seeing a report about a suicidal jumper, but repurposing the idea into a positive one. Basically, it is saying that instead of a suicide jump someone should take a leap of faith and improve things.

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      People fixate on certain lyrics and kinda ignore the rest of the song.

      I knew someone who swore “Hallelujah” by Leonard Cohen was a dirty song because two lines could be interpreted as innuendo.

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        “Hallelujah” has an overt reference to the story of David & Bathsheba in the Bible, which is a story about a king watching a woman bathe and then sending her husband into an unwinnable battle so he could steal her from him.

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        “Hallelujah” is a song about sex — but it’s not dirty sex, it’s holy sex.

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    Any time any user comments the word “based” to the most normal and reasonable shit ever.
    Based has lost all meaning.

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      Wow, are we the baddies? This guy must have a really bad time in the Linux communities.

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        Kinda unironically: yes.

        Linux is great for some use cases and at least decent for most others but what I’ve experienced in some Linux communities made me understand why people don’t feel welcome. In a thread literally titled “Help me like desktop Linux” that listed a few things I was struggling with, I got hit with a bunch of “you’re an idiot for not using the exact same distro that I like”, “works on my machine” and “you want the wrong things”. Even as someone who already had over a decade of Linux server experience, that almost made me turn around and walk away.

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          Yes, that’s true, sometimes bug research pointed me to the arch Linux forums, and I was like: never ever I post one of my noob questions there. But that’s not all. Its just one point of view.

          The skill level differences with Linux are huge. And people that wrote great wikis are sometimes frustrated if they get asked things they already explained elsewhere.

          Linux is confusing for beginners, never forget this fact and be kind.

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          I’m sorry you had that experience.

          For some reason some Linux users are strict and preachy about it instead of treating it like a piece of software/environment just like any other.

          Aside from that, it’s just good practice to be kind to others and explain things to new (and not new) users in a reasonable way.

          Hopefully you find a solution that works for you (for whatever OS you choose).

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      There are legitimate reasons not not want to use or not be able to use Linux.

      Calling the very real privacy issues presented by windows as a “conspiracy theory” is not one of them.

      Also these people are delusional. They don’t understand why the steam deck is popular because quote “the main appeal of PC Gaming is modding and using a Keyboard and Mouse.” Which is a bold claim because I thought the point was having better control over what you play instead of hoping Microsoft, Nintendo, and PlayStation release those games on chosen console.

      Do these people have an idea how many Stardew Valley Clones I can play on PC that will never touch an Xbox?

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      Please don’t choke people during sex even consenting people. If you need the sensation just put your hands on their collarbone and don’t actually cut off their windpipe.

      After reading some kink books that give detailed instructions about how to suspend people, to give people piecing, fake cutting people as well as convince your sub that you have a loaded gun in their mouth with the disclaimer about how dangerous choking is really puts in perspective. There are tools to safely cut off air supply don’t choke someone

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        if done properly with good technique it’s not that risky. you need to trust your partner, have good communication (including both verbal and nonverbal systems of consent), and have the awareness to monitor your partner’s physical state while doing the deed.

        breathplay is edgeplay but imo it’s one of the safer forms of edgeplay

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        Just ask David Carradine. Although, I’m still not convinced it was suicide.

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      Hmmmm.

      So what does it mean if I enjoy practicing hojojutsu on my consensually non-consenting partner…?

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    I once got accused of having a corporate shill account after explaining how coupons work.

    Man was whingeing about paying full price for Domino’s and got pissed at me when I pointed out they didn’t use the 2 for 7 deal that takes up half their homepage.

    Some people just can’t admit they fucked up XD

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      You can’t say you like literally any product on the internet otherwise people call you a corporate shill. It’s frustrating because people sometimes like things…that’s just the nature of life in general. Sometimes you like something that was made by a company and not just already existing in nature…

      Reminds me though…I recently got called a “Russian bot” by someone on Lemmy recently. I was super confused because the content of the conversation had nothing to do with Russia or the war or Russian viewpoints or anything. It was so out of left field that I had no idea what they were talking about.

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      I fucking hate this.

      Especially when they basically self-hypnosis themselves into the placebo affect and swear that their magic powdered crystal enema can fix everything.

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        Yes, but those are dirty, brutish science rocks. Not special coloured crystals with the powers of emotional healing™, protection against negative auras™ or unseen life™, and the power to give a room or a house a positive atmosphere™.

        You know, the kind that those doctors (who totally know nothing at all!) don’t want you to know about because it’ll put them out of business.

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          Don’t forget “promoting wellness”.

          I appreciate that we’re past the days when they could make specific claims and get away with it, though.

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          I use very nice quartz in my daily life, and if they would have cracks or so my day would definitely be ruined

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          Replace them with colored glass for a week and see if anything happens. Then you can publish your results in Crystals Weekly if they work, or one of the science ones if they don’t.