“What was he convicted of?” someone asked.
“He had tattoos on his body,” she replied triumphantly.
“Hey, smartass!” shouted a woman in her sixties, jumping to her feet. “You want to see my tattoo?”
“Lady,” the Trump supporter said. “You don’t know what a tattoo is.”
“Yes I do, I’ve got one!” the woman shouted, tapping her chest.
The Trump supporter dismissed her with a wave of one hand. “I’ve had enough of you Democrats,” she said.
i found some of the quotes interesting with regards to the pieces that people in different areas pick up on, what they care about and what they think is happening. Like the farmer guy who is being harmed by the tariffs but thinks Trump must be “asking for a lot to hopefully get half”
i don’t think these people are stupid, just propagandized and situated in cultural echochambers just like libs are (all of us are). They (we) all have blind spots and denial. how do we reach them? if it’s possible at all, the only way is through genuine authentic connection with people who may very well hold ideas we find abhorrent.
i had a really interesting experience this weekend. i stopped at a Diner in Queens on my way home from the airport and overheard a conversation about Trump and the tariffs between two older gentlemen. I think they were both white but one might not have been idk. It was clear they frequent this place and are neighborly acquaintances. The one guy came over and started out saying “you know l don’t like to talk about politics” (honestly i doubt that lol)
it was not clear to me the whole time which “side” either of them were on. when the first guy got up to leave, i caught eyes with the one still sitting and he started to apologize for the subject matter and i said i appreciated their conversation bc i feel like the biggest problem in this country is we don’t talk to each other and that’s why everything is so out of whack.
they both appreciated that and we briefly talked about how “They” want us divided etc. I said i thought we all had a lot more in common than we would think, and they both agreed.
After the first guy left, i continued to chat with the seated man who was a 75yo Jewish man who grew up in that neighborhood and taught political science for his career. He identified as a centrist, taking things from Republicans and Democrats, and gets his news from a variety of sources mostly mainstream tv but also newspapers and magazines- he was reading the economist and said it was a conservative magazine but they don’t agree with trump on the tarriffs.
we had a really amazing conversation because i was very polite and phrased my disagreements carefully, he was not agitated at all by anything i said, he was calm and confident in his knowledge.
he had some seriously wrong information.
whenever i tried to push back on something he said, i would generally say that i can never tell what to trust anymore but that the information I’ve seen said xyz. i acknowledged living in an echo chamber because i can’t read or listen to republican news, and i was vulnerable about how upset i am all the time and we transitioned out of politics talk and into hobbies and maintaining mental health.
honestly, i can’t stop thinking about the experience and want to go back there and talk with him more. it was a hugely positive experience for me and I would love to have more of those. Perhaps he was a rare bird able to talk without getting upset, that’s why i was able to remain emotionally regulated (i did almost start to cry lmao just acknowledging how upset I am generally, I’m just a hair trigger these days)
Lol Iowa. Good fucking luck.
He voted Republican chiefly on the issue of abortion…
WTAF. Why are there so many idiots like this? You don’t like abortion, don’t fucking have one. And if you are male…it’s not your concern.
A person I used to consider a friend told me that Donald Trump was sent by God to end abortion. When I brought up several bible verses that directly condemn what Donald Trump has done he told me they were out of context.
No longer speak to him.
This is the only area I DO get. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand where they’re coming from. If you believe a fetus is a person, it makes total sense to vote against murder. And we aren’t going to win anyone over by framing it as just an issue for women. If it’s even possible to change someone’s mind on the topic it would be through education, not telling them that their opinion on murder doesn’t matter.
By the definition of “murder” it’s only murder where it’s illegal.
It just makes zero sense to be a single-issue voter like this, though. And I don’t really think most of them give two fucks about the fetus; for many of them it’s about control.
For many of them it’s about being accepted by the community. They dont question their beliefs because that’d put them in the out group.
LOL, WTAF.
I’m trying to fathom this being an actual conversation and not some horribly, awfully scripted sitcom. How the hell is it this bad good lord.
I like to think it’s because our education has gone really downhill, but I realize some of these people are so old it’s questionable how much they really know and understand. I’m genuinely baffled we don’t have a simple doctor’s check to see if people in retirement are still cognizant enough to vote responsibly- it’s the same issue with driving.
I guess the creators of Heil Honey decided it was time for a revival. 😒
“Lady,” the Trump supporter said. “You don’t know what a tattoo is.” ^ That line baffles me
For people like this, Tattoos are only tattoos if they’re on a less than white skin. On a white skin it’s a stulish body decoration, on any other skin type it’s a gang tattoo
The conservative mindset is kind of like a reversed No True Scotsman sometimes. In an inherently hierarchical world where you are OBVIOUSLY at the A, #1, top, “Made in the image of white Jesus” tier, it is a serious insult to question the realness of another. Getting “othered” when you’re one of the Real Americans, one of the Chosen Ones, is a tragedy!
I don’t know what you’re talking about. What does that have to do with a guy who assumes women don’t know what tattoos are?
I thought it was a woman arguing with another woman about the meaning of what a tattoo is…
It’s the exclusionary language. It sticks out to me because it’s something I had to wring out of my brain after a conservative upbringing. My comment was probably an overreaction, lol, but you gave me that little target to pounce on.
“You don’t know what a tattoo is” sounds to me like it’s in line with “you don’t know what a REAL tattoo is” or “you wouldn’t know a decent tattoo if it bit you on the ass.”
It’s just basic immature gatekeeping and “me good, you bad.” So it varies from actual exclusion to generic offhand insult.
I can hear all the variations of it in my head from over the years. You don’t like the same thing as me, or you disagree with me on some unrelated thing, therefore you don’t know a damn thing about tattoos, cars, trucks, guns, fishing, hunting, sports, women, computers, games, and whatever else.
grabs popcorn
Next time one your friends insists that Trump voters are regretful, or somebody mentions Trump’s poll numbers, show them this.
Someone needs to bring these people a holocaust surviver to show them their tattoo and explain why fascism should never rise again
Wasn’t there just a video of some “alpha” guy trying to school a holocaust survivor the other day?
I’m afraid it would just give them new ideas.
Someone needs to bring these people to cecot, and do a little swaparoo with the current residents.
Going to the midwest sounds like going to the zoo.
It’s fucking insane here. I live in a city where people’s opinions seem relatively reality-based, but if you get out into the rural areas, the effects of brain drain and media balkanization are on full display.
I don’t suggest actually doing this, but you would be absolutely fucking shocked by the overwhelming ignorance of the general population if you were to, say, stop at a bar in rural Iowa.
I just don’t recommend going to Iowa, avoid it at all cost.
They can be cold as a frozen thermometer in December if you ask about the weather in July.
Every day you hear someone say the stupidest shit you’ve ever heard in your life. And then the next day someone says something even dumber. It’s absolute hell on earth but the plus side is my mortgage is cheap as dirt I guess.
Live here, it is.
Lived in Iowa for a few years, nothing but idiots.
Americans need to stop thinking joke about state is exclusive to state.
Instead of Alabama = incest, say America = incest
Instead of Iowians are idiots, say Americans are idiots
Instead of Florida man is crazy, say American men are crazy
why
I mean, you do realize that the USA is larger than the EU, right? Some US states dwarf multiple European countries - combined.
Do they consider themselves residents of the union or of their state?
That has no bearing in this conversation, nor the point being made. Geographical size plays a large factor in this whether you agree with it or not.
I’d say geographical size has very little to do with it, unless you think Canada is more diverse because of its size? Population size would probably be a better marker for this purpose.
Or the obvious “do they identify as group” as I had already said
Americans accept personal responsibility?
exceptional thought.
yep that one always bugs me. We have no concept of collective responsibility in the US. Our government and its actions are something very abstract we feel no connection to or have any responsibility for. Whose fault is it that we shipped all those bombs used in Gaza? Its seen as not even Joe Bidens fault somehow. Its just no ones fault.
I appreciate this is a joke but I don’t know what definition of personal responsibility requires me to own the actions of people 2000+ miles away from me lol. London is slightly closer to Moscow than San Francisco is to Northwood, IA.
Sounds like your succession planning is going well.
I know some very smart people from Iowa. They left.
So many heads up so many asses.
I hope they rip each other apart trying to justify their own ignorance and his madness.
Unfortunately their disproportionately overvalued federal representation and votes due to the electoral college they are dragging the rest of us down with them
I’d PPV Nana Slap Fight Championships.
I don’t feel bad for anyone that voted for trump. Nothing he is doing is a surprise. So far it has been everything he said he wanted to do. Fucking morons got exactly what they voted for.
I want them to see the error of their ways. No forgiveness without change, but there is no change without the possibility of forgiveness.
