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By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.
As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.
That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.
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The stated purpose of CECOT is to put people in violently cramped, close confinement with each other until they die.
It is a deathcamp.
Exactly it’s a death camp.
America has been doing this for decades. Look at Guantanamo Bay. We used the excuse of terrorism then and now we’re using the excuse of boarder security now. As long as people can be controlled by their greed of fear then this will continue to happen.
Isn’t the name of the camp “terrorism confinement” something?
We were always the first Nazis that won.
More like winners who later decided their defeated enemies were cool. 😅
America was absolutely a part of the formulation of the nazis. Look up Henry Ford. His plagiarized propaganda was attributed as a source used in the formulation of the final solution. Fuck even Thomas Edison was trying to talk him down. Look at the america first party. Over 20 congressional representatives were in active communication and even received funding from Nazis. Some had received pre written speeches that they actually used.
If anyone “won” anything, it would be the Nazis, not Americans. Because here we are…
Plagiarising propaganda by one president or members of some organization receiving funding from Nazis doesn’t make the nation Nazi. That’s quite the stretch.
Countless fringe political groups organizing on Telegram to adopt fascist views & looks, holding public demonstrations wearing swastikas downtown, targeting minority groups, and stripping people of their power and their history from the top down is more like it. Because back in the day none of that shit would fly especially around people who fought in the war, but it does now.
If anyone “won” anything, it would be the Nazis
I think you mean US enemies? Because these views were cultivated by them way after the fact.
If you are arguing that the 30-40s US was unlike and unattributed for the Third Reich, then you are obviously correct, but I think you forget that the Nazis existed before Hitler. In the light of what they would become, they were more or less akin to telemarketers. And would THAT fly in the US?
It would
It did
And it always has
Because back in the day none of that shit would fly especially around people who fought in the war, but it does now.
I think that we’d be better off if the dads, uncles, and grandpas who came back and refused to talk about their war experiences had made it clearer to the next generation exactly how horrible it was. It didn’t fly with them because they saw what it brought. It flies with younger people because we were sheltered from the true horrors of the war.
I think a trip to the Holocaust Museum should be required for all high school seniors. If it isn’t closed by the clown show currently running the country, at least.
Also look at FDRs concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This shit is a time honored tradition in this country.
I don’t want to minimize the suffering of Japanese Americans in the camps in any way, but from the history I’ve read they seem to be a few steps up from whatever the hell is going on at CECOT.
I’m not trying to compare them. We have no idea what’s going on at CEDOT. It could very well be worse, that’s true. My point is FDRs camps were, by definition, concentration camps. This country has a long history of throwing people into concentration camps.
From all the reporting I’ve read CECOT is significantly worse than the Japanese internment camps. What America did to Japanese Americans was cruel and unjust, and I wouldn’t say conditions in the camps were good, but CECOT seems to be on a whole other level. Prisoners are confined in crowded bunk rooms, outside time is limited to one hour per day, and physical violence from the other prisoners and the guards seems to be the rule rather than the exception.
The concentration camps for Japanese Americans were concentration camps in the 19th century sense of the word - simply a place to hold a group of civilians during a conflict. CECOT is a concentration camp in the Nazi sense of the word - an extermination camp.
I believe adult men could also escape internment by volunteering for the military.
Fucked, but not genocidal.
greed
fear
And especially disgust. They weaponize it so much.
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
That’s exactly what El Salvador does. They have a database of gang-affiliated tats and that’s enough to take them in. https://youtu.be/tWjq0ECRxhA
Guess that’s good enough for America now too.
yes, they are explicitly going after people with tattoos https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ice-list-venezuelan-immigrants-gang-members-1235306641/
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Everyone: stopping feeding the troll. A 22 day old account whose first comment is “I’m okay with people with tattoos going to concentration camps”.
There are many very stupid people in the world, but few people this stupid. It’s a troll.
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LOL you’re going to have to up your game kid, your trolling is much too obvious. I suggest sandwiching the baiting comments you want people to “rage correct” between plausible statements a person of normal intelligence would make. When every comment makes you appear implausibly stupid, it just becomes laughable. Once someone points out how you’re trolling, you’ve hit the rocks.
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…because you’re banned
Better luck next time. It was a good first try, I’m sure you can do better if you keep at it!
“I don’t like what they put on their own bodies so I don’t care what happens to them” must be the most brain-dead sentence I’ve read all year
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I never liked glasses… People who wears glasses think they make them look more inteligent, and its true.
And that’s why I’m OK with putting every g*asses wearer in the meat grinder.
Yeah, totally normal train of thoughts
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Holiday in Cambodia!
So where does the jump from “people that I should avoid” to rounding up and being sent to concentration camps happen? I don’t really care if you avoid people with tattoos, but where do you get off using that as a basis for persecution?
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I’m not using it as a basis for persecution. I’m saying that I don’t care if they are persecuted
Those things are the same thing.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
And he’s a little bitch scared of tattoos on top of all that.
Hope he never has to go to a hospital. Like 90% of the staff have at least one.
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Louder brother.
No, they got it just fine, it’s just a dumb opinion to have.
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You can dislike people with tattoos if you like. You’re doing so in the context of throwing them in concentration camps, and that is dumb as fuck.
I really hope you’re a child. If you are an adult with this opinion, I feel bad for anybody you come into contact with
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stupid. half the college grads I know, a good number of vets, and none who have ever been in trouble, ever, have tattoos. you are just sick in the head. I don’t have tattos, don’t like them, but I don’t choose my friends by it, or use it as a moral compass.
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bullshit
i know no good people named shuhsha, and one bad one, therefore we should fucking find and kill them, lock you up and let you suffer the most inhumane fate known to mankind.
yeah it sounds pretty stupid?
or are you different? this isn’t a real argument, it’s in bad faith as a matter of category.
man i’ll stop feeding the troll but whoever you are i hope you know you’re stupid, vile fucking human garbage and partly responsible for the destruction of western society, not whatever weird bizzaro rhetoric you might have in turn to explain why it isn’t “like the good ol days”.
i’d type more but im frankly not even sure you can fucking read, idiot. lmfao.
Is this satire? I genuinely can’t tell
yeah because that’s their one and only trick.
works surprisingly well, tho.
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Okay, definitely not satire.
You’re allowed to say whatever you like, but you’re still a bigot.
I hope you successfully avoid everyone with tattoos forever, but it’s not because they’re the “unsavory” ones here
or, ya know, you and people like you are & always have been gigantic blights on the ass cheek of human civilization.
ooooOOOO now i’m discriminating against YOU how dare I???
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For clarity - you would be okay with someone being sent to one of these facilities if they had a little tattoo of a peace sign on there leg? Or a butterfly on their arm? Or does it need to be a sleeve of demonic symbols? This sounds like it could be a spectrum thing and some of us aren’t understanding your comments. It sounds like you’re okay with someone being sent to one of these horrific facilities merely beacuse you don’t like something they did.
I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.
Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.
I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.
You joined April 2, 2025. I believe you are just here for thread drift, purposely derailing the topic into a meaningless discussion of tattoos by sharing ragebait.
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Holy crap I can’t believe you think this is about tattoos and not about atrocity. “I am okay with people being sent to concentration camps, tortured, and murdered because I don’t really like tattoos. If you find this view objectionable, it’s just because you have the tattoo mind virus and cannot tolerate criticism of tattoos.” I cannot express how fucked up this is to say.
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Well by that logic I don’t particularly like beards therefor, all men with beards must be avoided.
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Gross. Actually revolting mentality.
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Can i ask where in the world you’re from? I’m personally from Denmark where tattoos are pretty common – i have some myself. But as i’ve come to learn, the perception of tattoos differ widely around the world.
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, Because I was not a socialist.
This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees…
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Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.
Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.
People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.
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most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.
Why are you talking about tattoos here?
The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.
You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.
You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.
Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.
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Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn’t have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don’t shave often in real life.
A horrific thought indeed.
Yikes, I didn’t think of that. It would be a convenient way for them to prove that they are some Mexican gang member.
I mean, this is a level too generic. They aren’t going after 60 year old women with the Rolling Stones logo tattoo’d on their thigh. However, if you are heavily tattoo’d and from a certain part of the world and a certain race, you should be pretty jittery. There’s been some collateral damage in all the ICE sweeps. The current administration is far from highly competent, and their error rate is carrying over to these arrests and deportations. I don’t trust Trump and co. with the smallest of operations, so I definitely don’t trust them with life-or-death, potentially citizenship-violating mass arrests.
By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.
We invented concentration camps in the US to deal with Chinese and Native American “undesirables,” back in the mid 1800s. This is just the third time, at least, we have started using them. We only pretend to be better than the Nazis because we didn’t have the idea to use them as mass murder camps, just slow death camps.
You forget 120,000 people of Japanese descent during WW2. And the Biden ICE camps.
And how about Guantanamo for some added gruesome torture?
The one that Obama definitely and immediately was going to close when elected.
And it would’ve been no problem since the US used Polish black sites and other vasal places to do it.I started the timeframe in the mid 1800s. The WWII camps were the second or third time we used them. One could argue that the modern day Industrial Prison Complex is also another variation that we are using of the same theme.
Specifically, extermination camps are industrialized human suffering. Something like an assembly line that builds cars, except the output is death.
All that said, splitting hairs about the definition of this stuff is not a good place to be.
In all literal sense of the phrase: this is a concentration camp
Home of the not so often brave and land of the less and less free.
Land of the fee,
And the home of the slave
That first paragraph is perfect: By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally. It’s so fucking frustrating how the media has done so much work normalizing Trump that you can’t just call things what they obviously are. Trump is doing all of this stuff loudly and proudly in all our faces but if you call CECOT a concentration camp, or you point out that he dropped a fucking shitcoin before the day of his inauguration to take bribes out in the open, you just have TDS. It must be so easy and comforting to just be a nice little Trumple cultist and slurp up everything he says and dismiss all evidence of your eyes and ears.
America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.
El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”
excellent point
Are they already building ovens?
This might be a pile of bodies.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/people-spot-mystery-mound-world-200306315.html
It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.
They’ve done it before, why would we think they wouldn’t do it again?
I am quite surprised on the lack of knowledge about El Salvador. I would expect this from other platforms, but not here.
Please get informed before comparing this system to a concentration camp. Now if the administration of the United States wants to use El Salvador’s system to push their agenda, you should continue to blame the United States and not El Salvador.
Before Bukele, El Salvador had a level of corruption and violence completely out of proportion. There were so many different approaches made to eradicate the complex issue and none of them worked. If you have a group of people that are terrorizing the population, you cannot be diplomatic if the approach. Bukele turned his country around overnight.
They are concentration camps whether you agree with them or not. Sounds like you are into them though so that’s weird.
Ok, so what do you think is the solution to the problem that El Salvador was facing?
Let’s say what they did was the only way. Why are our immigrants and others now being sent to forever prison there without due process? These are two separate issues.
You are spot on! Why are people being sent to a prison outside of the country without any trial or due process? That is to say that the United States and its administration is at fault not El Salvador.
How is the Salvador, 1/4 the size of South Carolina, supposed to stand up to a command from the United States? Think about that. You have to realize how much influence and power the United States has had over the rest of the continent, they have played this game for decades.
I am sure if the United States says we need them back, El Salvador will release them no questions asked. We cannot sit here and blame the people on the other side when the ones in the same turf are calling the shots.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
Guantanamo Bay is/was its own fresh hell, but it was not a concentration camp.
Why is it not?
It was an off the record black torture/interrogation site. They didn’t send every taliban they accounted there. It was selective.
Ah, sorry, I didn’t realize that the Nazis sent all their prisoners to one camp. I guess those weren’t concentration camps, either.
I’m sure the Nazis had torture/interrogation sites too.
Nobody said that not being a concentration camp made Guantanamo ok.
No, someone just said it’s not a concentration camp because everyone of one demographic wasn’t there.
Actually, on further thought, I’ll give you that. But, unsurprisingly, limited rights abuses tend to lead to more extensive rights abuses, and the only really surprising thing is that it took more than 20 years to go from torture camps to concentration camps. Waiting for those ghettos, Poland style.
You misinterpreted my response. The point is the intention (giving 1 example at the time of operation). That intention was interrogation not concentrating undesirables.
Because it was used for a select few (relatively speaking). It wasn’t a camp built to concentrate a sizeable portion of our population into one small area.
I’ve already said that there are good arguments for why this shouldn’t be considered a concentration camp, and this isn’t one of them. This is like saying genocide isn’t genocide because the unique tribe you wiped out was only a couple hundred people. So, if you took that same tribe of people and put them in a camp and resteicted their movement, would you not consider it a concentration camp because of it’s size?
Gitmo was never meant to store large amounts of people (and not civilians). It was a place that was conveniently located that allow them to detain and torture individuals. That’s not a concentration camp dude.
Even when they started trying to send some migrants there, there were articles saying that they didn’t have the facilities for it because it was never meant for that.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
In Die Hard, when Hans is describing Takagi, he says “interned at Manzanar 1942-43”. 9 year old imsufferableninja thought he was talking about an internship at a prestigious company called Manzanar. 25 year old imsufferableninja finally figured it out. They did not teach about the US’s concentration camps at my schools, for some reason…
Master Miyagi from Karate Kid also had it rough.
And George Takei
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans
Hey! You skipped the civil war concentration camps on both sides, how dare you.
TIL
I’ve always thought it was hypocritical of Americans to be calling Nazis the worst. We literally enslaved a group of people for hundreds of years, bred and slaughtered them at our whim. Had concentration camps, and more. We’re not better, and probably worse. We just had good propaganda.
Eh, I wouldn’t say Americans reached the level of industrialized genocide Nazi Germany achieved but we definitely had and still have plenty of blood on our hands.
I’m not sure I’d agree, though maybe you’re correct because it wasn’t industrial. We put bounties on bison skulls though to encourage them being slaughtered because we new native populations relied on them, for example. It was brutal and systematic. Sure, we didn’t use industrial means to actually kill them, but I don’t think that makes it better or worse, only different.
I suggest making some reforms to state institutions before someone else gains control of at least two thirds of the political power. Having support from two thirds of a legislative body is sufficient to completely rewrite a constitution in many cases, so the only question is whether a “supermajority” can reach some consensus.
I personally don’t have a lot of hope for peaceful reform, given what I see from https://ballotpedia.org/Results_for_ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)_and_electoral_system_ballot_measures,_2024
“No, no, we haven’t actually seen any evidence of murder, we’re just reporting it.”
