Trying to reform society without critiquing capital?? Seriously Grandpa?
I’m one of the oldest millenials and critiquing capital is basically 60% of my personality
- literally
- Mid
- Tiktok
- American super-comma splices everything
Transphobia.
It’s just an echo of the homophobia decades earlier, and it’s going to bee seen as equally ridiculous at some point
I look forward to getting to a point where people just casually try it out for a bit to see if they like it.
I try to emphasize this point to people who are dispairing over the current political climate. Public opinion towards gay people also had a backlash when we demanded rights. Many countries have moved beyond that fairly quickly. I am still not dropping by Uganda anytime soon, but at least I feel fairly safe in my own country.
Transphobia is much less prevalent in the younger generations, just like homophobia. It will literally die out.
But…like…aren’t we still dealing with homophobia from the olds? It definitely died down and has morphed into mostly transphobia now, but it’s not like everyone is cool with it these days.
Sure, and it will be a factor for a long time. But it should be considered in comparison with similar historical processes. Think civil rights for Black people in the US. I’ll pluck a few dates:
- First slaver ship, 1619
- Abolitionist movement starting in 1688
- Dred Scott decision 1857
- American Civil War 1861-1865
- Jim Crow laws beginning in 1870’s
- Plessy v. Ferguson, 1896
- Brown v. Board, 1954
- Montgomery bus boycott, 1955
- Voting Rights Act of 1965
- Crack epidemic and subsequent mass incarceration, 1980’s and 1990’s
- George Floyd murder, 2020
And after all that time, Black people are still disadvantaged as a whole relative to white people. Compare that to the modern LGBTQ movement. The modern movement really began in earnest with the Stonewall riots in 1969, but it has roots dating back to Berlin in 1897. Gallup has poll numbers going back to 1977 for various questions. Around 70% of Americans believe same sex marriage should be allowed. Attitudes towards equal job opportunities are nearly unanimous in favor, 95%. That said, it’s notable that most of these questions are about policy, so they may treat gay people poorly in their personal life. So whether you’re measuring by Stonewall or by Berlin in 1897, progress has been relatively rapid. Not that it’s ever rapid enough for people suffering under oppression, but progress runs on a generous dose of hope.
Back in my day we couldn’t walk or bike to the grocery store because the streets were so dangerously designed
anti-natalism
It’s low-key ecofash.
Yeah, people in destructive developed nations voluntarily choosing to not have children in order to reduce future global suffering is totally fascist.
Real lebensborn stuff, right?
“To reduce global suffering” yes that’s the eco-fascism. Population control is the eugenics equivalent of austerity. You don’t get to tell anyone for any reason if they’re allowed to have children or not. That’s not your call, that’s not anyone else’s call but the parents’.
Not only is it deeply immoral, like all fascist pseudoscience, it also doesn’t work. Just ask China’s population control policy how that went.
The modern anti-natalist movement is about the personal choice to not have children, and occasionally being a counsel or advocate for others pondering their life choices. It has nothing to do with government, corporations, or national mythos.
The ecofascism that currently exists is manifest as jingoism against Chinese and Indian (out-group) climate change contributions, which does not take the form of anti-natalist language. It uses tribalist language, as fascism does. The reverse side of this ecofascism is domestic (in-group) anti-anti-natalism, such as Musk espouses. They demand the expendable laborers make more babies to weaken labor power, and decry childless individuals as degenerates.
My stance is unchanged. Anti-natalism is built on a foundation of population control, regardless of what it claims to be.
I’m not trying to deny that anti-natalism considers the material conditions of population numbers and resource constraints.
My only concern here is that you not reverse the meaning of fascism.
Fuck right off. Sorry your definition of fascism gets you and your friends off the hook. I deal in the real world where shit has consequences.
I think people in the future will look back on how we raise livestock today as barbaric.
I hope so
Hopefully, everything “identity” that has made its way into just about everything.
I’d like to think that future kids might be amused/annoyed by parents still insisting on calling out race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., as the most meaningful aspects of Who Someone Is…or even things they, “should be proud of.”
In what way? Like they would be done with republicans hating on everything not cis / white / het, because we already are tired of their identity politics war and im in my 30’s.
Growing up r***** was a pretty common phrase, that’s definitely something some millenials have had problems removing from their vocabulary.
I also don’t think our social comprehension of gender has finished evolving yet. So everyone alive to read this comment will eventually have to revise their understanding and look back on their cringy previous views.
Retarded. He’s censoring the word retarded, for anyone also confused.
You can say retarded. Especially when literally referring to the word itself? No one is going to arrest you.
For the record the new offensive phrase is “sped”, because the euphemism treadmill doesn’t stop and focusing on words instead of subject matter is pointless.
You can say removed. Especially when literally referring to the word itself?
Not on lemmy.ml apparently…
Doesn’t show removed on my end, but wouldn’t surprise me.
I like the cut of your jib, Tex.
It’s a well cut jib, methinks
I like how the punctuation failures totally change the assumed meaning of the sentence.
Promoted from your desire to censor yourself, kids won’t understand and be exasperated by my refusal to censor myself online so some website/content creator can more easily make ad money.
And no, fuck that noise, I will not bow the fucking algorithm. I will curse and speak freely.
The censoring works so well that I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Some people just aren’t brave like I am. The word they’re referring to is rigatonni
Rigatoni
You’ve just doomed us all
Ideas never finish evolving, and in a grand sense nothing finishes evolving, unless you consider extinction to be the conclusion of an evolution. Nature goes on, the universe continues, there is no end point where things have reached a perfect evolution.
Are we censoring the word racist now? We can’t call it what it is?
Growing up r what ? I don’t understand
Just say retarded u friggin retard.
Just say fucking instead of friggin, you fucking spastic.
u
I see where you lost the high ground in the discussion.
Ohhhhh I thought you meant the phrase was “growing up r*****”. Took me five minutes to figure out what you meant. It’s just the one word, not the whole phrase. 😆
For anyone else confused like me, it’s the pejorative word for a person with a mental disability.
I thought they meant “growing up r” as well. First my brain supplied me with “growing up rich”.
If only I had scrolled, you woulda saved me the same time. 🤣
Thanks for the explanation because I was confused too. Good example of why commas matter.
“The internet is and has been a net positive for the human race.”
They just transplanted a genetically human kidney grown in a pig into a human being. Pretty sure we’re only a few decades from being able to do a lot more.
Remember that guy from ‘Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy’? The one with two heads? That’ll be common soon enough.
Can we also get a 3rd arm to help with our ski-boxing?
You can’t have any more arms until you finish your soylent green!
Zaphod Beeblebrox
“I don’t care about privacy because I have nothing to hide.”
That one question from the Elder Scrolls class/Personality quiz was uncomfortably prescient:
Question 4: There is a lot of heated discussion at the local tavern over a group of people called ‘Telepaths’. They have been hired by certain City-State kings. Rumor has it these Telepaths read a person’s mind and tell their lord whether a follower is telling the truth or not.
Combat Response: This is a terrible practice. A person’s thoughts are his own and no one, not even a king, has the right to make such an invasion into another human’s mind.
Magic Response: Loyal followers to the king have nothing to fear from a Telepath. It is important to have a method of finding assassins and spies before it is too late.
Stealth Response: In these times, it is a necessary evil. Although you do not necessarily like the idea, a Telepath could have certain advantages during a time of war or in finding someone innocent of a crime.It looks like the kids these days are all mana-slingers lol
Which game was that ?
The quiz shows up in multiple games, I thiiiink this question started showing up in Morrowind though, iirc.
The Patriot Act of Tamriel
There’s that Shen comic where Shen— a millennial— is trying to tell a zoomer that their house is on fire, but he keeps saying inane stuff like “there’s a smoky chonker”.
I think that sums up our legacy pretty well.
I’m of the generation which has kids old enough to talk.
They are exasperated that we use computer mice.
They are angry that the environment is still being destroyed even though grown ups know better.
Not sure what will embarrass them when they’re older - at the moment it’s our clothes, shoes, music, and slang.
They are exasperated that we use computer mice.
What?
All the young kids I know hate them. They think everything is going to be a touchscreen.
Especially when it comes to casual games, literal screams of frustration trying to coordinate mice.
Do they know being frustrated by mice makes them boomers?
So, it’s a generational sandwich. Gen Alpha and Boomers are the bread, and the mousers are the meat?
I don’t like being the lucky pierre in this sandwich
So, we’ve all accepted ‘mousers’ as a generational term?
Sample size of two, but mine don’t seem to have strong feelings on them either way. Although the older one (still in single digits) prefers Minecraft on the pc to the Switch, despite starting out on the latter.
coordinate mice? how many mice are your kids using at once?
I meant coordinate mice with onscreen movements, not with other mice!
Now you’ve got me imagining some sort of hellscape where there are different oldschool trackball mice strapped to someone’s hands and feet.
My dad told me when he got his first computer (1997, I was a young kid then) he was worried he wouldn’t be able to coordinate his mouse with the onscreen pointer. 😅 He’s almost 70 now and pretty much the nerd king
Like a first time ice skater flailing on the ice except this time they have ice skates on both arms too lmao
Like a spider on rollerskates
I have an old computer set up with a bunch of games for my kids that teach them how to use the mouse and keyboard. I think part of the problem is that kids aren’t really taught how to use computers anymore. I remember going to a computer lab in grade one and being taught how to use the mouse and keyboard, how to save files (to a floppy disk), how to close windows and open programs, etc. Apparently they don’t do that anymore. They just expect kids will figure it out on their own. My kids still definitely prefer touchscreens, but they don’t mind the mouse or touchpad either.
literal screams of frustration trying to coordinate mice.
Hold on boys, there’s an actual chance that our generation will be gamer gods for all time to come.
The iPad generation
In the beginning of this school year my youngest told me that he’s the only one in his class who passed a computerized test because nobody else knew how to use the mouse of the school PC. Other kids also don’t know how to touch-type, so it takes them ages to answer non-multiple choice questions using the keyboard.
There was a panic as the school management scrambled to introduce a PC literacy class into the curriculum.
IPad babies
They are exasperated that we use computer mice.
So they use Tiling window managers and vim-keys? The future is bright!
Hey there, I’m 18, and I can tell you in my university’s CS department, a ton of students using Linux are on Tiling Window Managers.
A lot of students and lecturers use (neo)vi(m), and I use Emacs with Evil-mode (vim emulation), so yeah. Keyboard-driven for the win!
The future is bright!
Well they’d look ahead, but it burns their retinas.
AI rights.
I’ll say something like “I don’t see why a fancy python script should be allowed to vote” and the youth will be like “that’s so fucked up in so many ways”. “My best friend is an AI why are you so prejudiced”.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/KiPQdVC5RHU?si=MUtgNdbiHGCVNHTV
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
When I read the Lambda transcripts of that Google employee (priest?) who tried to whistleblow that that Google’s AI was sentient… I mean damn, I read those transcripts, it sounded real as hell.
Stochastic parrot or not, I think a significant part of my own consciousness goes towards predicting the next word in a given context.
IIRC, consciousness is really, really complicated. We might not be capable of knowing if we are LLMs in meatsuits. An LLM might be a highly vocal infant, and we simply wouldn’t have a great way of really making that judgement. Shit, we still can’t define consciousness in humans–or other animals–in any meaningful way.
Agreed. I think it’s a spectrum, and even a chair (an object that forms a feedback loop of forces with its surroundings that depends on its previous state) is conscious to a degree.
I don’t think there is a line
There will be a legal line at some point.
Worrying about online privacy. Kids will accept that online privacy simply does not exist. They’ll have the mindset that OF COURSE the government/corporations spy on us, and people who are concerned about it are quaint, clueless, and exasperating.
It’s disturbing how common this mindset already is.
I’ve heard not being on social media is a growing trend with young kids because they want privacy. A lot of them have had their parents oversharing their entire lives and they don’t want to do it anymore. I’m old though so who knows how true this is.
