England 2.0
Fuck man, how did we get here?
I know how we go here but this timeline seems so quick.
Conservative wanted revenge or whatever it is.
Does anyone else feel so un-motivated at work ever since Trump became president? I can’t sleep sometimes with the anxiety. I don’t even want to try to be anything in this American society anymore if it means a criminal can be President. What’s the point? Bad always wins. Good always suffers.
My depression has depression at this point.
2020 i woke up every morning expecting to see a mushroom cloud over the nearest city. Every. Single. Morning.
He *IS" a convicted, homegrown, American criminal himself! Literally.
Weren’t the dems so sure he was going to jail all this time? What happened?
I knew for sure he wouldn’t, but it was fun seeing it happen anyway.
They deserve it.Sure, the dems deserve it just like a woman deserves what she gets for wearing that revealing dress in that bar, right? Because that’s what you are doing. Blaming the victims.
Instead of blaming the Republican party and people who didn’t vote, you make fun of the only people who tried to stop them. Which tells us all exactly the type of person you are.
Someone who would rather make fun of “THE DEMS” instead of Trump and the Republican party. You’re the problem, not “the dems”.
O look, the sensitive mods removed my comment.
And your fallacy is going to backfire.
Since you’re the actual victim blamer. You are pissed at a woman for not chosing to go home with your fiend, the guy who raped her before bcs this other guy is going to rape her even harder.
Imagine respecting her choice of not going to go with either of the scumbags.
Cry all you want, I have zero sympathy for the awful fascist-light party and their voters.
Imagine how ridiculously bad you have to be to not be an alternative to fascists.
And I’m European, certainly not the problem.
You OTOH and your tone-deaf party have enabled this.
I can only laugh at you all getting the consequences of your own actions, and the frustrated lashing out at leftists with a consciense who didn’t bend to voting for slightly lesser evil, arrogant and despicable corporate puppets.
Purely pragmatically it’s great for the world, we can finally cut ties and get rid of you.
Have fun over there.
Buy a gun. Train.
Get connected with others. Make sure they get armed. Train with them.
Ya dude. It’s easy to say. Military has been training everyday for quite a long time with fully automatics
Asymmetrical urban warfare is death for all. The last few decades have shown us this.
I keep seeing this advice but honestly I’d rather spend years in a El Salavadorean prison wrongly convicted with the hope of being freed than die immediately in a hail of bullets, or be rightfully imprisoned for life for killing a cop.
What if I told you it won’t be very many years, and it’ll also be the rest of your life?
Death is far from the worst thing that can happen to someone. We all must walk with the reaper some day. I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. CECOT is not living, it is Hell. I would infanetly prefer to go to Valhalla than CECOT.
You can imagine being freed from a concentration camp but can’t imagine successful community defense.
Cops don’t want to die in a hail of bullets either. There are more of us than them.
It’s purely a numbers thing. You shoot at a cop and you die. You go in a concentration camp and you might die. Even if it’s very likely, just personally speaking, I’d take that over certain death.
The important part is to not be the only person with the gun around. Personal defence won’t do much but community defense might.
But seriously. Nobody is coming back from El Salvador. If ICE comes for you you might as well take one with you.
I really don’t think we’re clearly thinking this through. I know my next door neighbor, but if the guy three doors down has a circle of cops outside a) I might not even know depending on the amount of noise, b) I’m not going to go shooting cops in the back if I just see them.
And when does this start? Have you shot a cop yet? Are you planning shooting cops today? Tomorrow? Next month? In 6 months?
I dont buy it.
I don’t think anyone is coming out of El Salvador. And I think if I did there is an excellent chance if I did survive it, I will wish I had been killed instead. I don’t think they have women’s prisons down there and if they did I would 100% be sent to the men’s. I used to learn about the Holocaust and wonder “why didn’t the Jews fight back?” And the truth is that some of them did, but most did not they didn’t have access to guns and they just hoped they would get through it.
When school kids are learning about the American Holocaust I don’t want to be one of the victims that kids wonder “why didn’t the trans Americans fight back?”
ICE needs to be resisted at every level. By Congress, by the states, by cities, and by individuals. I only have discretion over myself. I don’t want to shoot anybody, but I don’t want to die in a mass grave in Cuba or El Salvador either.
Will it work? Probably not. Am I talking tough on the internet? I hope I never find out the answer to that. But I know that if Americans decide to stop ICE as a group we could, even if Congress and the courts and so on are compromised.
The concept that “if jews had guns” the holocaust wouldn’t have happened was deliberate inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda from the NRA and US right wing talk radio (Rush Limbaugh et al) and is not based in fact or truth, and only arose in the 1990s as a last ditch attempt to prevent (American) gun control laws.
Intellectually and philosophically the problem with the argument is that you are imagining an entirely fictional past (Jews having guns in the Weimar Republic) and claiming that the imagined fantasy past proves that the real history and present would have successfully been altered. It would be as logical to claim that if Jews had dynamite, or chainsaws, or wore plate armor, or carried a magical talisman, or memorized a specific poem they could have prevented the holocaust. All of which, including guns, is extremely improbable at best.
And so is the case here. I asked another commenter when they expected to start killing cops, and how many they expect to kill. No reply. I’m not telling you or recommending you do it, I just find it interesting that everyone telling me to kill cops on sight isn’t doing it themselves.
You pivot to “we need to stop ICE” but I don’t want to lose the focus of this discussion which was suggesting that I open fire on police officers on sight as a solution to this political problem.
Some things are worse than death and can be sustained without any form of honesty or due process right here in the United States
It’s OK to not want to harm another person. Another thing that may be more important is to prepare yourself to handle some intense questioning along with threats of winding up in a place like that (if you think your chances are better in there). I’m not judging you but don’t be a rat
The official stance is that nobody will ever get out of that prison alive. Literally. It’s one very specific prison, and it’s reduced El Salvador’s violent crime rate to damn near zero because of how fucked up that prison is, and how little due process you’ll receive if you even just get caught having gang tattoos. They don’t need to connect you to any specific crime.
You’ll share the cell with like 40 other dudes, and you all share one communal water barrel and one communal shit pit. The food is specifically designed to not be nutritious enough to sustain any muscle mass. You’ll wish for death in there, but you can’t even commit suicide by another inmate. Even suicide by guard is hard to pull off.
I’d honestly take the bullet over CECOT.
You don’t come out alive from those prisons and it’s gonna hurt more than bullets
I mean, if by “years” you mean less than a year, killed, and buried in a mass grave in El Salvador than sure.
This is in comparison to getting in a firefight with the police? I’m sorry, but yes, I’d rather take my chances. Shooting at the police is, even if the odds are close, more likely to get you killed.
You’d change your mind on this while you go through torture
How does this not anger the domestic prison industrial complex?
It’s not actually that powerful. Private prisons are all at the state level, and only some states.
They are opportunistic, not monopolistic, and the political pushback reversed the trend toward privatisation in most of the country.
Private prisons are a stain on our national character, they need to be shut down. but we have bigger shit to worry about right now.
He can declare them criminals with his mind. More efficient than a trial.
This is very much how it’s going to happen.
I guess we already filled up all of the for profit prisons in The Land of the Free.
Please build that wall so you stay where you are
And of course we will never see these people again. This is so blatently illegal its fucking mind blowing.
47 doesn’t GaF. He’s already ignoring UNANIMOUS scotus rulings. The law has failed. Nobody in power is willing to enforce anything.
With none of that pesky due process to determine who these “criminals” are I suppose.
No need to worry about that. Daddy Trump will just tell us who the criminals are!
Yes. That’s literally the only reason why you would do it.
This is already what has been happening. No “suppose” about it.
Hey we should all discuss it at length yet not actually do anything about it. Go team 'murica.
Bro’s talking about himself
Discussing begets knowledge, and knowledge is half the battle.
Ok, tell everyone your plan, what do you propose we do about it, specifically?
You remember a few years back when those Nazis took over your government for a day? Give that a go.
Sure, that’d work, great plan, why didn’t anyone else think of that!
Seemed to work out great for them. Just have a look around.
Oh I’m sure the response from our current regime would be as mild as it was for the fascists, sure they wouldn’t think of simply mowing people down en masse as soon as they even threatened to be storming the Capitol. Gimme a break, unreal that you think that this would be in any way effective whatsoever, it’s in fact exactly what the fascists are hoping for, they’d love nothing more than any reason for mass killing the opposition.
If you think that’s not about to happen anyway you’re a fool. And if you think this regime won’t be defeated by action not lawyers or politics and that many won’t be killed in the process you might as well start digging your grave now or go kiss the boot and get your uniform.
They’re going to start mowing people down who are storming the Capitol anyway? Hmm, what if people aren’t doing that? So, just to be clear, your plan is for people to just show up and start storming the Capitol? Cool cool, that’s what I was expecting, nothing.
Under no circumstances allow your US Citizen self to be illegally detained by ICE I guess.
Trump should be first in prison shouldnt he…
MAGA are going straight to Krystallnacht, but it’s ok because Bernie went to Coachella.
Kristallnacht, but as that is the Nazi term and euphemistic at that, pls use the official term Reichsprogromnacht
Was his set good?
Straight up fire, fam.
Be expensive as hell
