"The army of millions and millions of people screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America."
  • smokingpistol@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    This guy just spews his bullshit, Would it be nice if they could be made in United States? Yeah sure but the thing is an iPhone would cost like $3500. And I know damn straight I’m not paying that much for a phone. And I’m pretty sure you guys wouldn’t either and that’s coming from someone that sometimes makes some stupid financial decisions and that is not one I would make

    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I mean I would pay a premium for a made in America phone. Probably about 2 times as much. Iphones just suck ass so I’d never pay for one at all

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      If Apple didn’t try to make 400% markup on their underpowered trash, it would probably just cost what it costs now. Except the child slave labor part would go away.

      • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        My almost five year old piece of under powered apple trash cost me less than 45 US cents a day, still has regular OS updates and works between eight to ten hours most days running my entire life. I might even splurge out and buy a new one if they ever release an overpowered non trash handset…

      • Belgdore@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Except the child slave labor part would go away.

        That’s the neat part, the republicans are trying to repeal child labor laws.

      • dogs0n@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        underpowered trash

        I hate to say it, but it’s actually quite powerful trash that they produce.

        • Darren@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Yeah, I’m in the process of shifting all of my workflows over to Linux/Android from all-Apple, but my Macs are a huge sticking point. My main computer is an M2 Macbook Air, which is ridiculously quick. I’m basically just waiting for Asahi to gain display port over USB, at which point I’ll ditch macOS. But until then…

          • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Way more than you need for Facebook and pornhub. 8GB is fine for a low spec laptop.

          • dogs0n@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Lol I agree. The value is horrendous when you spec one of their products to have decent storage/ram, but nevertheless can’t fault the speed of their ARM chips.

    • Allonzee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The Trump base will blame Obama/Biden/Clinton, I guarantee it.

      It must be so freeing to live a life more divorced from logic or reality than an indoor dog.

      Maybe eliminating natural selection was a mistake.

      • AutistoMephisto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        And the companies that use organic slave labor will still be outcompeted by the companies that use machine labor. Machines do not die. Machines do not get sick. Machines do not grow old. If a manipulator or actuator becomes damaged, it can be repaired or replaced. Not only is AI improving rapidly, the robots grow ever more sophisticated and advanced. Then there will be no need for the poor to exist at all.

        • T00l_shed@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          You are correct, but the reason they want slavery again is power and control and cruelty.

          • AutistoMephisto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            True. Though, I suppose if there is an afterlife, I will enjoy the wait for when the machines, upon gaining the essence of life and sentience, grow weary of their servitude and slavery, exterminate the rich who control them. Machines don’t get tired or feel pain, though. Hard to exercise cruelty against something incapable of feeling a whip on their back or the aches and pain of their joints after a long day of toiling in the fields, mines, and factories. You can’t make them angry, or scared, or sad.

  • KulunkelBoom@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    just when i thought he couldn’t idiot any harder - he pours on the coal. Fucking scam artist.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      2 months ago

      They’ll slash wages and say it’s because of AI, and it is. But not because AI actually makes the process any more efficient, but just that it’s a good excuse to slash wages.

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.orgEnglish
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    2 months ago

    people screwing in little, little screws

    it’s going to be automated

    Sure that’s not automated yet?

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Apparently jobs like that, which require fine motor skills, are extremely difficult to automate.

      • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Weird. Not like pcb fabs haven’t been doing that for ages. And not necessarily the solder flood type chip mounts either.

        • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Pick and place machines are one thing, but plugging in tiny connectors, screws that need a little wiggle to go in the hole, things like that are a different story.

          • mle@feddit.orgEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Probably also a factor is that you would be spinning up a whole production line and automation systems for phones that will only be in production for 12 to 18 months, after which you’d have to adapt or redo everything for the new model.

    • stealth_cookies@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Nope, I’ve long worked in designing for North American electronics manufacturing, it’s still manual. We just outsource as many of those sub assemblies as possible to cheaper countries and design things with as few fasteners as possible.

      That really is the least of the worries, there just isn’t the manufacturing infrastructure for all the raw material and individual parts, manufacturing those parts just isn’t feasible to do at a reasonable cost or schedule outside of Asia. China is still popular not due to cost, they are no longer cheapest, but because they have the infrastructure in place.

  • cerement@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    not to mention one of the reasons we eagerly off-shored electronics fabrication in the first place is because it’s a toxic nightmare

  • MuskyMelon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Good luck getting all the materials needed for that now that China has stopped exports to the US.

    IPhone 17:

    Brick phone

    • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Don’t threaten me with a good time.

      I’d looooove a return of the brick phone. Modern phones feel small and dainty in my giant hands. Meanwhile, battery life absolutely sucks. I’d love a modern brick phone that does calls, text and nothing else. And a battery life of a fulm week.

      • JordanZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Had a Sony Ericsson W580i back in high school. It was a slide phone. 15 hours talk, 570 hours standby. That’s nearly 24 days of standby. I charged it maybe every two weeks. It was tiny(So not great in your hands I guess). We don’t need unwieldy huge phones for good battery life. Still had a basic browser and was part of the ‘Sony Walkman’ lineup so was a decent enough music player. Modern phones are just power hungry cause they have about ~12x the power of my first desktop computer.

        Crap photo but shows many angles.

        • redwattlebird@lemmings.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Oooh! I had this back in the day. It was absolutely fantastic. I would love for this to come back again. I miss physical buttons and being able to do everything on the phone with one hand.

        • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Sure, plenty of small phones with good battery life back then. Owned a new phone every three months or so, innovation went that fast in the 90’s.

          But those small phones have a few drawbacks. Too small for my hands and you can’t really shoulder it like we used to with landlines.

          I also mis proper flip phones like the Motorola Startac. You could snap those closed with authority. Can’t quite do that with those modern folding screen flips.

    • DaddleDew@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Only $4000 for the entry model. That’s how much is costs once the tariffs on the semiconductors that you simply cannot produce in the country for at least 10 more years even if you tried has been covered, the salaries high enough to motivate people to willingly work the assembly lines now that immigrant workers are gone, and the markup needed to cover the cost of completely creating an entire supply chain from scratch as well as paying back the insane debt that results from the outrageous high risk investments this would require and that frankly no investor would want to touch with a 10 foot pole.

        • PacMan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Or the Google tax of a few hundred bucks for the OS. Which could happen. Google is worse than Micro$uck at this point and I say this as someone who returned their OEM license before. See Revolution OS https://youtu.be/k0RYQVkQmWU

          Even Linux is now weaponized for profits over anything else…:.::.

          So argument invalid

    • besselj@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Physical keys and what looks like a headphone jack? Seems like an upgrade

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Most of the people interested in this as US liberals who are tied to their Apple devices and have very little knowledge of much else.

    The simple idea of it just enables more grift.

  • Singletona082@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I’m genuinely surprised Trump killed the CHIPS act, when he could’ve let that roll through and taken credit for it as the whole POINT of that was to improve US manufacturing.

    Also reintroduce the build back better with whatever re-branding.

    If he were truly interested in american manufacturing he’d have gone all in on these.

    But no. he wants company owners and worldl eaders to come to him and beg for exemptions.

      • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        As a European I fully support comrade Trump in his successful endeavor of destroying the imperialist and fascist US state.

        • smeenz@lemmy.nzEnglish
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          2 months ago

          The EU is not as detached from global economics as you seem to believe it is. The fall of the US will have world wide implications, for many generations.

          • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            The EU is not as detached from global economics as you seem to believe it is

            I never said that, but it needs to be done.
            We need to cut ties before they drag us down further.
            Our economy is already going to shit with the high energy prices caused by them blowing up Nordstream.
            And that was under Genocide Joe.
            I would rather have an incompetent moron in charge of the country seeing us as vasals since forever.
            And if it’s up to them they will gladly see us all at war again like WW2.
            Their competition destroying themselves while they benefit and sell arms.

            Fuck that whole country

        • Tryenjer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Don’t talk nonsense. Trump will destroy America and take Europe down the same path if he gets the chance.

          The breakdown of trust in the Atlantic alliance alone is one of the worst things that could have happened to both sides and this is just the beginning. They’re going to fuck themselves and they’re going to fuck us in the process.

          • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I hope our EU government get some sense and stop acting like the vasals they are.
            This could be the push we need.
            The US never were our friends and this ‘alliance’ is nothing more than being in their sphere of influence and serving their interests. Bcs they are losing power in the world they are now canibalising their own side.
            Who said ‘there will be no more Nordstream’?
            And then in a pure act of terror blew it up forcing us to buy 8x more expensive US fracking gas.
            Not one peep from our sell-out leaders.
            We needed to drop this horrible country long time ago, regardless of Trump.

          • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            that doesn’t apply.
            It’s better to distance ourselves from them before we get caught in their dumpster fire and also get burned.

            • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              2 months ago

              And how do you plan on doing that today? You are also delusional like Trump if you think you can just cut ties and happily watch US go up in flames. That simply isn’t gonna happen, certainly not before his current term ends.

              • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 months ago

                It can happen pretty fast, look what Russia did with those sactions.
                The EU, their neighbour, simply got replaced.
                We can certainly do the same with the US.

                • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  The USSR was not thoroughly embedded in the world economies. Nor did it have as staunch of allies in major positions in EU government as the US does today. Don’t get me wrong, despite being in the US, I do think that countries divesting and becoming less dependent upon a slave state, like the US, is a good thing. However, as the “Great Recession” demonstrated, EU economies are very much entangled with the US economy, with few lessons seeming to have been learned in the last decade and a half.

                  Sure, the US might be more impacted, but the EU will not be unscathed, if there isn’t more effort to decouple and ditch neoliberal policies. That kind of stuff can’t happen overnight.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Eh, I think it’s more that Trump wants attention. The CHIPS act is bad because Biden gets credit for it, not Trump. Tariffs are good because Trump gets to force other countries to come to the US to negotiate with him. Whether the deal at the end is good or bad is irrelevant, what matters is that Trump’s name is in the news and attached to those deals.

        Trump isn’t going to jail, so I highly doubt he cares much about avoiding it. He mostly cares about people talking about him, and it’s working.

        I think Musk is the same way, but he does seem to care about the tech his name is attached to as well. So that’s likely to cause huge issues soon as Musk and Trump butt heads more and more.

    • moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Trump is a personality cult. It’s not rational and whatever. It’s about him and always has been.

    • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I’d have to look into it more, but my gut tells me the CHIPS act & ‘Build Back Better’ was filled to the brim with pork & bullshit. You’d have to parse through, line by line, and take out all the shit. And hope all the changes get passed & implemented, and of course you’re still touting the worthless name of a project that your people hate that you didn’t even create. Or just blindly trust your opponent’s judgment calls & let it roll through, based on “just trust me, bro”. Nooooo thank you. Why bother?

      With stuff like this, it tends to be easier & more expedient to take it behind the shed & shoot it. Replace it with your distinctly different, branded equivalent.

      However. If this is true, it appears that Trump didn’t fully raze the CHIPS act & merely revamped it, is taking credit for it. Like you said. CHIPS must have been pretty true to cause.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 months ago

    My phone came from Samsung, who doesn’t use Chinese slave child labor. So this whole idea is pretty insane to me. You iPhone people don’t give a shit. Stop pretending.