"The army of millions and millions of people screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America."
  • cerement@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    3 months ago

    not to mention one of the reasons we eagerly off-shored electronics fabrication in the first place is because it’s a toxic nightmare

  • Famko@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Instead of Vietnamese children making t-shirts to sell to the USA, they want American children to make t-shirts to sell to Vietnam.

    This makes absolutely no fucking sense even from a nationalistic standpoint.

    • Rob1992@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Nah man, they’ll start using the prisons for more then menial labor. You don’t have to pay them at all

      • Phil_in_here@lemmy.caEnglish
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        3 months ago

        But then they have to fill those prisons with more and more people. How can America just increase the crime rate on a whim?

        glances briefly to American history

        Oh right, shit.

        • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Slavery never ended in the US, it just got better PR.

          “Only prisoners can be sentenced to slave labor.”

          Makes a while bunch of stuff punishable by prison time and makes prison sentences longer.

    • Allonzee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      The Trump base will blame Obama/Biden/Clinton, I guarantee it.

      It must be so freeing to live a life more divorced from logic or reality than an indoor dog.

      Maybe eliminating natural selection was a mistake.

  • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    US can’t manufacture iPhones, but it can manufacture other things. That you can’t build Versaille overnight doesn’t mean you can’t plant a few flowers and lay one square stone.

    I think SPARC CPUs were manufactured in the USA even in 00s.

    The whole re-industrialization idea is good, people making something know it’s not magical and wonderful. That an ARM CPU in an iPhone is a relative of an MC in a toy, and that said MC’s internal structure can be grasped in an evening.

    Worker jobs in manufacture affect societies very well. Just believing that this is going to happen means believing yet another US administration promising something until its term ends.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Which is what subsidies are for. Encourage companies to do the things you want, don’t destroy the economy by making everything else impractical lmao. I see what the end goal is, supposedly, it’s just an extremely stupid, naive, or outright malicious way of accomplishing it.

      • AutistoMephisto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        And the companies that use organic slave labor will still be outcompeted by the companies that use machine labor. Machines do not die. Machines do not get sick. Machines do not grow old. If a manipulator or actuator becomes damaged, it can be repaired or replaced. Not only is AI improving rapidly, the robots grow ever more sophisticated and advanced. Then there will be no need for the poor to exist at all.

        • T00l_shed@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          You are correct, but the reason they want slavery again is power and control and cruelty.

          • AutistoMephisto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            True. Though, I suppose if there is an afterlife, I will enjoy the wait for when the machines, upon gaining the essence of life and sentience, grow weary of their servitude and slavery, exterminate the rich who control them. Machines don’t get tired or feel pain, though. Hard to exercise cruelty against something incapable of feeling a whip on their back or the aches and pain of their joints after a long day of toiling in the fields, mines, and factories. You can’t make them angry, or scared, or sad.

  • KulunkelBoom@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    just when i thought he couldn’t idiot any harder - he pours on the coal. Fucking scam artist.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      They’ll slash wages and say it’s because of AI, and it is. But not because AI actually makes the process any more efficient, but just that it’s a good excuse to slash wages.

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.orgEnglish
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    3 months ago

    people screwing in little, little screws

    it’s going to be automated

    Sure that’s not automated yet?

    • stealth_cookies@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Nope, I’ve long worked in designing for North American electronics manufacturing, it’s still manual. We just outsource as many of those sub assemblies as possible to cheaper countries and design things with as few fasteners as possible.

      That really is the least of the worries, there just isn’t the manufacturing infrastructure for all the raw material and individual parts, manufacturing those parts just isn’t feasible to do at a reasonable cost or schedule outside of Asia. China is still popular not due to cost, they are no longer cheapest, but because they have the infrastructure in place.

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Apparently jobs like that, which require fine motor skills, are extremely difficult to automate.

      • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Weird. Not like pcb fabs haven’t been doing that for ages. And not necessarily the solder flood type chip mounts either.

        • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Pick and place machines are one thing, but plugging in tiny connectors, screws that need a little wiggle to go in the hole, things like that are a different story.

          • mle@feddit.orgEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Probably also a factor is that you would be spinning up a whole production line and automation systems for phones that will only be in production for 12 to 18 months, after which you’d have to adapt or redo everything for the new model.

  • MisterMoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Everyone playing along that this is some kind of genuine policy play are just buying into Trump as a legitimate leader in a similar way to how MAGA-heads do. Trump does not give a fuck about American manufacturing, American jobs, onshoring, offshoring, none of that. It’s all a grift. He’s waiting for some kind of payoff here, be it in the form of countries giving in to bad deals for the Trump Organization or investing in Truth or $TRMP. In some cases he gets to be feted at state dinners and sign some watered down, meaningless “trade deal,” temporarily backfilling his deep insecurities. Enough of this and most of the tariffs evaporate.

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      That’s just how the media work unfortunately. They keep explaining how tariffs work to people that know it while MAGA voters post ‘Fuck Biden’ over and over on twitter.

  • lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Why? All those kids are going to need something to do after they tear down the education system.

    • CalipherJones@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Something I’ve been thinking about is how schools are affected by population decline. Schools take a lot of infrastructure, labor and money. It seems like hardly anyone in my generation is having kids. So what happens to this expensive school system when there’s too few students to justify the costs?

      Will it simply disintegrate into private schooling like olden times?

      • lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Well if it’s funded by taxes they can scale down. That’s the nice thing about everyone chipping in. If less is needed just take less. It’s not like a business that needs to turn a profit.

    • dzsimbo@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      They’ll have their hands full extracting the lithium from the dead Tesla batteries.

    • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      But their tubby little fingers aren’t nimble enough nor can they hold their attention span nor take basic instructions, so they can’t be employed for production unlike their healthier and more dutiful same aged Asian counterparts

  • MuskyMelon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Good luck getting all the materials needed for that now that China has stopped exports to the US.

    IPhone 17:

    Brick phone

    • DaddleDew@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Only $4000 for the entry model. That’s how much is costs once the tariffs on the semiconductors that you simply cannot produce in the country for at least 10 more years even if you tried has been covered, the salaries high enough to motivate people to willingly work the assembly lines now that immigrant workers are gone, and the markup needed to cover the cost of completely creating an entire supply chain from scratch as well as paying back the insane debt that results from the outrageous high risk investments this would require and that frankly no investor would want to touch with a 10 foot pole.

        • PacMan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Or the Google tax of a few hundred bucks for the OS. Which could happen. Google is worse than Micro$uck at this point and I say this as someone who returned their OEM license before. See Revolution OS https://youtu.be/k0RYQVkQmWU

          Even Linux is now weaponized for profits over anything else…:.::.

          So argument invalid

    • besselj@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Physical keys and what looks like a headphone jack? Seems like an upgrade

    • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Don’t threaten me with a good time.

      I’d looooove a return of the brick phone. Modern phones feel small and dainty in my giant hands. Meanwhile, battery life absolutely sucks. I’d love a modern brick phone that does calls, text and nothing else. And a battery life of a fulm week.

      • JordanZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Had a Sony Ericsson W580i back in high school. It was a slide phone. 15 hours talk, 570 hours standby. That’s nearly 24 days of standby. I charged it maybe every two weeks. It was tiny(So not great in your hands I guess). We don’t need unwieldy huge phones for good battery life. Still had a basic browser and was part of the ‘Sony Walkman’ lineup so was a decent enough music player. Modern phones are just power hungry cause they have about ~12x the power of my first desktop computer.

        Crap photo but shows many angles.

        • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Sure, plenty of small phones with good battery life back then. Owned a new phone every three months or so, innovation went that fast in the 90’s.

          But those small phones have a few drawbacks. Too small for my hands and you can’t really shoulder it like we used to with landlines.

          I also mis proper flip phones like the Motorola Startac. You could snap those closed with authority. Can’t quite do that with those modern folding screen flips.

        • redwattlebird@lemmings.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Oooh! I had this back in the day. It was absolutely fantastic. I would love for this to come back again. I miss physical buttons and being able to do everything on the phone with one hand.