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All text in large print, but you have to write them snail mail for the nutritional information, which is required by law to be printed on the label.
Not if the business is making under a certain amount each year. Then they can request for an exemption of the nutritional labeling.
Welcome to Lemmy, you don’t need to go back to reddit. It gets better here everyday.
Also - do I just put a letter with Kelly Honey Farms in the mail and hope it gets there? A full address would be nice.
The full address is right there below it
Lol I’m an idiot.
It’s okay we all have our dumb days.
This is fine, they’re telling you what’s in the bottle. I mean I don’t agree with messing up honey with corn syrup and the fact that the bottle sort of leads you to think you’re getting just honey, but that’s par for the course in a lot of processed food packaging at least in the US.
Yea, and no, that should be better regulated. Let’s not settle for something bad just because. In France this is better regulated, but still some brands play cat and mouse, finding corner cases to circumvent the rules. Honey is subject to this very frequently too.
I don’t disagree. I think how blatantly misleading packaging and labeling many foods are in the US is and it’s BS. From the meaninglessness of “organic” to “100% natural”, they don’t really tell the consumer what that means.
However, strictly in the context of the US and our food labeling laws, the honey in the image is ok, even if we understand it has some fuckery about it.
The term “organic” is actually regulated by the USDA though, unlike “natural”
I understand that. However, the average consumer likely doesn’t know what the term means. One might be led to think the produce didn’t use pesticides, or that the food is more nutritious when in fact certain pesticides are allowed and the food can have the same nutritional value as non-organic. I would say that, despite the rules, people would likely feel misled, even if the product complies with the actual rules that allow it to be labeled organic.
It’s like “cage free” chickens. Sounds like a spacious barnyard full of happy chooks? In reality it will likely be a very crammed open warehouse floor with poor conditions. Are they cage free? Sure, the condition is met for the label. But the consumer doesn’t know what it means.
Would corn syrup stop it from becoming solid? I love honey but budget mind thinks, “buy bulk” and 1 yr later I have like half a quart left to practice my own tar experiment.
Real honey don’t crystalize.
https://thebeekeepingguy.com/why-does-honey-crystallize-the-science-behind-it/
You are always just a quick search away from educating yourself before you post misinformation.
Not only does honey crystallise, depending on what’s in there it’s solid by default. I grew up on rapeseed honey and it has a very firm texture, holding its own weight. Honey coming out of our forests, by contrast, is so fluid that spooning it is an exercise in frustration, it wants to be poured. If you have hives standing at the border between a forest and a rapeseed field, you get something in between.
If you ever buy honey in Germany, look for these glasses. They’re from the beekeeper’s association, anything in it will be unadulterated and unblended. Or, well, the only blending that’s being done is done by the bees. 5-15 Euro for a glass, depending mostly on type of honey (some aren’t exactly easy to harvest and process, e.g. heather honey is notorious) and whether you buy directly from the beekeeper.
And return the glass. There not being any deposit on it doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t like to have it back.
By contrast, throwing some invertase at sugar to split the saccharose into glucose-fructose syrup it costs practically nothing which is how you get prices for “honey” that match those of crystal sugar. Probably even worse in the US where sugar syrups don’t start out as saccharose but maize starch.
Yep, my uncle has a few hives in his garden and he lives in an area where rapeseed is grown for oil production, during the season the honey he gets is 99% rapeseed and extremely firm and white. Texture and looks remind me more of lard than what is commonly expected from honey.
Yes, I would have to heat one up, but I’m currently eating the other one anyway.
There are some interesting varieties.
That doesn’t even cover a fraction of what’s available. You pretty much need to take the number of beekepers and multiply it with the amount of time they say “it makes sense right now to put the hives a bit further apart, have them harvest different things”, multiplied by a heavy seasonal factor. Long story short if it grows in Germany then you can find it in a jar.
That really, really firm and white rapeseed honey that I know from my childhood has actually gotten quire rare, farmers just aren’t growing as much of it any more so it’s rare that you get a jar that is almost pure rapeseed, even if it is (rightly) labelled “rapeseed” because the bees were sitting squat in the middle of rapeseed fields. Things change all the time, the labels are fuzzy and approximate, you never really know what you’re getting, and that’s exactly what’s great about it.
Oh, and side note: No, putting honey in coffee is not a no-go. It depends on the honey, some work, some don’t, some only work with some coffees, some with others. Raw cane sugar is always a safe bet, never has a touch of caramel hurt coffee.
I was only referring to the range on offer. I am aware that this is only a fraction.
You have left out one crucial factor that beekeepers have to reckon with at all times. Bee mortality, which is also a major problem.
Gentle heating in a hot water bath or the microwave will liquify that honey again.
Or even better put it outside in the sun.
Ah, see, I’m Canadian so that only works like two months out of the year when we’re able to emerge from our igloos…
Times like this I’m glad I have not one but two friends who are backyard beekeepers. They are more than happy to give away the enormous amount of honey they collect each year…
I got a shock random permaban in one of my preferred niche subs from someone obviously having a bad day and projecting it outwardly. It made me sit up and ask why I was putting up with so much nonsense and abandoned reddit that very moment. I had been dipping my toes into Lemmy but this made me dive in head first.
It happens here too. There are certain people. They are indecent. And they want to control the conversation.
The main difference here being if a community has crappy mods you can not only start your own better one, you can start it on another whole server where said crappy mods have no power. Bonus if the server’s general vibe happens to be a better fit for what you want to build.
How naive to think that those indecent forum manipulating supermods don’t have accounts across most popular instances.
Yeah. The rest of us are just indecent and happy to let the conversation go whatever way it goes.
I live near by this area. I also buy honey from Kelley’s regularly, but have never seen this abomination. The honey they sell around here is 100% grade a raw unfiltered. It also has nutrition information on the bottle.
Why does it say “Texas” on it 6 times?
Texas is a cult
What’s obnoxious is that they keep calling their bullshit “Southern tradition!” when it’s never made it out of their state.
Only state to fight a war for slavery twice btw
Wajt, why can’t you feed it to Children under one?
Some type of bacteria they’re not ready to handle yet?Anthrax, no I’m not joking.
I thought botulism was the main threat.
It is botulism. https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/botulism
Correct. Infant botulism can result from bacteria in raw honey that is otherwise harmless to anyone with a developed immune system.
At first I was like “yeah doesn’t everyone know that?” And then I realized that I didn’t know that until I had kids.
Yeah, I didn’t know that until very recently, and that was because of an anime I was watching.
I don’t have kids and I know it. When I was a kid, my parents would make us banana smoothies as a treat. It’s just banana, milk, ice, and honey. They mentioned a few times that they were excited for us to turn a year old so we could have them because of the honey.
I waited til they were there before I have them honey, hah
I have a kid and this is the first I’m hearing about it.
Not everyone is good at it
Our pedi was over the top with reminding us. With both kids, actually.
He probably has some history that led him to stress that so much to patients.
Basically, yeah.
There are bacterial spores that are no danger to nearly all adults but will absolutely end your baby.
But you CAN put it on little bumps and scrapes.
Not sure why you were down voted because it’s true. Honey has very low water activity and essentially remains in good condition over tens of thousands of years. It’s been used to treat wounds throughout history by helping create an environment inhospitable to microbes.
But don’t put it on the little bumps and scrapes of children under one.
Apart from OP’s picture missing the 's on Kelley’s, it seems genuine due to the matching inconsistent use of capitalisation.
Only other image I could find was from Walmart. Wonder if the “Texas blend” is a Walmart specific product.
Walmart has been known to make unreasonable demands to farmers that might result in exactly this type of fuckery
Not just farmers. All their suppliers.
Hmm that would be illegal in the EU and UK, where nutritional info and proportion of honey would be required.
Quite tempted to write in though. Anyone else?
The Dutch consumer program recently showed that most honey in regular retail are made with a special stain of sugar syrup, made in China, that is indistinguishable from real honey using the common tests.
With more modern testing methods it can be sniffed out, but even though this product would be illegal, the same thing happens on large scale in Europe.
And with such an abomination, they would have to state how much honey is in there.
It is also required in America. The FDA requires it except for small business. Also the EU wouldn’t even let this have the word “Honey” in the name at all. I’d assume that the retail business above doesn’t reach the threshold of 500,000 so can request for an exemption of nutritional labeling.
A local supermarket chain got a fine because they had “fake cheese” sold in the cheese section. It wasn’t labeled as cheese, but it was under a large CHEESE banner. I think it was leftovers from cheese production just mixed up.
I’m ok with not throwing away stuff, but it tasted like sin, even for cheap industrial cheese standard.
Curds maybe. Seems an odd thing to fine someone over. Curds are made into cheese and also commonly sold just as curds. It’s pretty much what paneer is. Perhaps someone expects it to be generic “dairy”.
There’s a legal definition of what can be called cheese, same as with a lot of products. Curd can be used, what (I recall) is that they were mixing up leftover cheeses from production into a single one, which is not allowed in general.
I tried to find the article, it happens some time ago.
You don’t need nutritional info on pure honey, the standard glasses and labels from the German beekeeper’s association certainly don’t have that info on them, also, you’d need to test batch-wise. They analyse for maximum water and minimum enzyme levels, but not nutritional value that’s basically given by the water content, a bit more or less protein or pollen doesn’t change the values in a way anyone caring about macros would care about: For those intents and purposes honey is pure sugar.
This would be sold at a farmer’s market or something like that rather than in a super market. Just my guess. They may also have been breaking the rules the whole time and enforcement is lax.
it had me worried for a minute: same bear, same colored label, grocery store brand so it could be from anywhere. I had to check. Nope, not Texas. Whew. (Jk, not corn syrup)
This is just another day in america, is it not?
That is absolutely revolting.
I was permanently banned from the Reddit sub without recourse for posting this
Looks at username
You’re sure it wasn’t for… other reasons?
Update: It was because I triggered bot detection for not pandering in enough comment sections.
Do you mean… not pandering to the majority who wish you wouldn’t copulate with canines?
Makes me think of this video
I am very worried about these rules
To be fair 3 lemmy communities have banned me exclusively for my username.
Maybe, but reddit also bans anyone who isn’t a bot.
Na, that would get upvotes and 5 generic comments
This
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You might say that Reddit is mostly just high fructose corn syrup, while Lemmy is pure, responsibly sourced honey.
Also the murder hornets.
How old is that bottle? I looked at their website and they don’t even sell this product.
This is a good question. The answer is probably “a few years old” at the least. I went hunting for the UPC code on the back label and found this website, which indicates its last recorded scan was some time in 2021. It’s likely this product is simply no longer manufactured and sold by them. Probably by virtue of a lack of demand or other considerations.
Report them to… I think it’s the FDA that oversees food labels?
They’re violating federal regulations.
As if that is something someone in Texas cares about these days.
Gonna bet you’re tossing rocks in a glass house.
You know what they say about people who live in glass houses, right?
They’re exhibitionists.
