Succession! And we’re taking Hawaii Oregon and Washington. We can trade with the EU and Canada. Maybe we can join the EU
It’s too bad Utah and Nevada are between Colorado and California…
If we’re fixing America’s beshittlements, can we restore the Hawaiian monarchy?
Yeah that seems fair. Can you guys take care of zuck and Ellison? ……I’m thinking sewer slaves would be best after seizing their assets of course
gonna solve world hunger by empowering billionaires to eat the peanuts outta my shit
Or at least let Hawaii be independent again and let the people of Hawaii decide what they want. Too bad they don’t teach the history of what American corporations did to destroy Hawaii and how the US government helped overthrow a friendly foreign nation for American oligarchs to rule.
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There is a precedent for lawlessness. Literally anything is constitutional now, you just do it and ignore the court ruling. Where have you been the last decade?
Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.
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Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.
“United” States stands divided. It just gets worse…and at an incredible speed. It’s always quicker and easier to demolish as opposed to building. Every one wants the easy money and the quick buck without a balanced expenditure of energy.
Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.
lol i’m considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego… if California can nix the chicken tax then i’m moving.
Funnily enough, there’s actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.
cExit?
How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?
The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go “you can’t secede, that’s completely illegal and unconstitutional” (it is), at which point the state would either go “oh well” and stand down or go “go suck eggs” and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.
So, easy then! We know insurrections aren’t a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!
/s just in case
The FBI is going to pull a Sea Bear attack on you but wait you used “/s” so you’re good to go. LOL
Even if the federal government says “okay”. They may actually turn around and pretend it never happened… or they can start a war with them.
I don’t think the GOP would start a war just to start a war. They are a party grounded in principles and morals, and aren’t petty little bitches.
/s
There is no process. States cannot just up and say “see ya” on their own, we fought a war over that.
If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?
IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it’s basically impossible.
“But it’s not legal!”
Have you learned nothing the past three months? Laws are what we make of them.
A state seceding is a simple process:
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The state passes an act to allow it.
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The sitting president endorses the idea and agrees to let them go peacefully.
That’s it. The United States Constitution itself was illegally written, an exercise in simple willful power. State secession works the same way.
Part 2 is the hard part though
Meh. If everyone in California pitched in $1 and we straight up bribed him $35 million, I’m pretty sure he’d go off screaming about what a great idea it is and MAGA would eat it up.
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In short: War. I’m not being hyperbolic either.
There is a historical example, but given the outcome, I don’t think it would be a good idea to follow that blueprint.
The best way would be quiet quitting. Making routes to federal buildings surrounded by construction and road closures at odd times. Overlapping federal job descriptions internally and never communicating with federal equivalents unless required, and that with a “great email, still working on that!” Or “emailed Oregon about that and they had some great ideas, get with them for the data!”
Offering great state guard contracts to all military eligible to re-up, that exceed what the feds offer. Build out coastal protection fleet due to “them darn migrants.” Train your military in FPV as if you were what the US should be doing right now, so the feds know any pushback will be costly, and you’re not breaking any laws anyway, remember?
Tell your state and local police we don’t work with the FBI or IRS in cooperation any more, and let the populace know the feds must individually enforce all tax law. That’s where it’s good for the Feds to remember that’s not required, and the 4th amendment prevents them being forced to act… in fact, that makes them subject to arrest for trying due to the laws of the great state of california.
All legal, and petty. But legal.
California is already home to a large naval fleet and Marines. They should pay them to switch sides.
That’s ingesting the ‘‘I’ll get right back to you’’ form of revolution sounds more plausible than anything else I’ve heard. Just slow walk it to death.
It’s not possible - you can check out but you can never leave
You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible
That’s what the Civil War was about, there is no legal way to exit were one nation period end of story millions of dead soldiers proved it.
If a state tried to leave they would have to prove they could no matter the laws. It would be war. No ifs ands or buts. That means having a military that could take out the US military. Currently the top Airforce in the world is the US Airforce, the second largest Airforce is the US Navy, then it’s Russia, then it’s the US Army. Unless you can somehow convince the military to side with you when you leave, it’s not going to happen. I would imagine if you tried to claim it legally the best you could hope for is Federal agents walking in the second said state gov claims independence, and idk arresting the heads of state for treason, and telling said state to elect a new gov.
Legally, a state can’t secede really, but the other states could agree to let it go. It would require a Constitutional Convention, which would require 2/3 of states to agree to let it go.
Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.
Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.
It would be hilarious if only red states had tariffs with the rest of the world.
While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.
You’re implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn’t)
I’d say fuckin do it
It depends on who’s breaking the law/constitution.
At this point it’s hardly the law and the constitution. These are just unpredictable whims of the people in power.
Texas couldn’t secede, probably because it’s a red state…how amazing would it be if California became it’s own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it’s own. Do it Cali!
Let’s do it.
The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can’t see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn’t even offering anything real in exchange.
And it’s the same for the European union. European states can’t get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read “Italy is ready to talk with trump” is just sucking dick
Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.
Not really a matter of forgetting. Trump was a leading advocate for Brexit. He wants to see the EU dissolved.
Putin does anyway and thus so does Trump
California produces 10% of American agricultural needs. If they secede it would be way worse on the economy than these tariffs.
depending on which produce item its significantly higher
I think if California were to secede, Oregon and Washington probably would too. A lot of blue states that border Canada would also probably Jump ship. New York and Michigan might secede too. Those 5 states make up almost 30% of America’s economy and are the center of very lucrative industries like the movie industry, automotive industry, electronics and software industries, the global financial industry. Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.
Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.
well no, the US would still be 60-70% of the total US economy without them lmao.
An economy that exports what? Let’s take Florida as an example. It produces a lot of fruit but the USA still imports most of it’s fruit from Latin America. Florida’s fruit feeds people, of course, but it doesn’t make money for the nation as a whole because it gets eaten domestically. What fruit from Florida gets exported is nothing compared to what the USA imports. Compare that to a state like Michigan which produces cars, that get exported and sold domestically. Which state’s products make America more relevant on the world stage? Disney is probably the most important thing in Florida for the rest of the world. Movies, TV shows, video games, and theme parks are all eaten up by a global audience and DeSantis treats Disney like shit because they are too “woke” I’m not saying the USA wouldn’t exist without the 5 states I mentioned, I’m saying no one would care.
I’m genuinely curious on how realistic this is… I can’t imagine it’s a simple process, but like what would need to happen for California to become it’s own country?
To do so legally, Constitutional Convention. 2/3 of states would have to agree to let it go. And everyone would have to hammer out what happens to federal assets inside the state.
At the moment, California is taking signatures for studying a “CALexit” plan. It is about 500,000 signatures by July for a successful petition. After that, California starts to study the costs, opportunities, logistics, and other aspects of leaving the union.
Im not an American but can they actually do this legally?
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Depends on how legally you need it. They also have marijuana by way of nonenforcement.
Legally? No. But you can’t secede legally either so there is a fuzzy line there somewhere should they start down that road.
I mean, I guess we’ll find out together
Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.
Or starting a civil war.
If it ends with us cutting Trumpistan/the Neo-Confederacy off, I’m good. Just hope we have enough time to get decent people out of the Neo-Confederacy.
EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.
Source? (No doubt, just looking forward tobreading more)
Not sure what media you prefer, find a nice article here: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=eu+targetting+red+states
I think that’s the nicest “LMGTFY” kind of response I’ve seen. Kudos to you, my friend.
That’s not going to work in practice. The US economy is even more tangled under the hood than it is internationally.
Might as well say you’re taking a called shot on someone’s left ventrical, because you don’t want to hurt any other part of their body.
I’d prefer that they at least try to target them
