No politician in California is going to criticize the lack proper vote counting techniques in the USA states that caused this harm. This is because Californian leadership is in thrall to the oligarchs.
Also the man saying this is not the type of person to get out of the safe zone.
I’m not quite sure why people are thinking anything significant can or will happen. The United States cannot change at all
Good point, better to try nothing and give up.
Glad to hear, im Canadian and i have no problem buying American products from certain states.
I do. Get fucked, California. Fix your shit instead of working around it.
Trump took 38.3% of the vote in California. Is that who you want to do trade with?
Every place in the world has douchebags in it. I’m sure that the share of douchebags even among California voters is actually much larger than 38.3%, once you figure in the assholes who voted for someone else beside Trump (not to mention the people who didn’t vote at all). And you guys have your own Trump, Poilievre. Every country has assholes. Don’t forget that.
38.3% of voters.
Not 38.3% of the population.
Pretty significant difference.
Ya, I think that’s what I said?
We did fix our shit, the shit we can’t fix is the south, nobody can, they are a shame on the country.
I don’t understand why the north won and still allowed the Confederate flag, war criminals to be heroes name bases after war criminals. It boogles my mind and is probably one of the reasons America is where it is. The north never actually won just dominated for awhile.
It is because we generally don’t obsess about the south like they obsess about themselves and the north.
We have shit to do.
Like an unemployed drunk staying at home, screaming at the TV and beating his wife because their life didn’t turn out well.
While we have reasons not to be so trash.
Which is not a majority, there’s more blue voters in Texas than Republicans in California.
I don’t think OP cares about it being a majority or not. 38% voters is too many for their liking. And honestly, you can’t blame 'em.
Thats way less than most places in the US and less than fucking doug ford got in ontario. Less than Pierre was polling canada wide too. So yeah, I’d rather trade with them than say fucking alberta which is also way higher conservative poll numbers.
If you prefer to trade with California rather than Alberta, you basically have a brain maga.
In what way? Alberta is politcally basically the polar opposite to my beliefs, and is holding the entire country back. California is still not nearly left enough for my tastes, but aside from some outlying rural areas generally is much more favorable to my political views. With the exception of trade barriers and the fact that money going to california still impacts the US GDP, generally speaking Id rather give my money to people with similar beliefs as myself, especily if those people are trying to take a stand against trump/other fascist politicians and not licking their boots and huffing oil fumes like danielle smith.
But the tariffs are paid by American. It is tax on Americans. Why would foreign country care too much.
There are a lot of complicated reasons why high tariff are a global problem in a global economy, but simply put:
- High tariffs raise prices
- High prices reduce sales
- Fewer sales reduces profit
Reduced profit for a single company or industry isn’t usually detrimental to a national or global economy. But when an entire country’s economy is hit with reduced profits across every industry, then it creates a problem.
So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.
I am not affected by tariffs, but I am going to further raise the prices of my digital goods on US platforms anyway. Because i noticed people buy anyway when i raised prices earlier this year.
my impact is extremely tiny, but if everyone does it, especially for essential products sold to US. This might help a nation as a whole compensate for loss of revenue in other industries affected by tariffs.
Most people in US will think the higher prices for everything are due to tariffs.
Eh, what do you sell and on which platform? I’d like to avoid you, firstly, and secondly, knowing that will give me an idea of what to tell you to expect.
I’m buying less these days. Going on less vacations. Picking up fewer wants, and limiting my purchases to needs. Reducing the amount of money I spend. I am seeing it as more money is going into savings now than when Biden was POTUS. Gonna need to do that because everything’s about to get more expensive. I need to get used to doing more with less, because otherwise, I’m going to take it right in the chin. As will many of my American counterparts.
You might escape scott free. Or you might not. Your country likely is tariffing everything from the USA, and the USA is likely tariffing you as well. You might find fewer people buy your stuff because not ONLY has the US tariffed money out of your buyers, you’re exploiting them as well, meaning they get double hit. While it’s your right to set your price to what you want, don’t be surprised if your sales take a hit. Also, it’s a very douchebag move to take advantages of your customers…just like what the Shitgibbon would do, so I do hope your customers look elsewhere for their sales. Too bad we as Americans don’t have that luxury to avoid tariffs.
Even if I sell less it doesn’t matter, the higher prices makes up for it. I don’t need to sell much at higher price. People buy my stuff usually to save time, they are trying to meet project deadlines. As long as it is cheaper to buy instead of building it themselves which might take days, weeks they are still saving time and money.
Note that I raise prices on US platform only. My prices on site based in Europe (Lithuania) is much lower (American can buy from there if they bother to search, I do see US customers IPs on my sale stats), If you really want to talk about greed and douchebag-ness it is the US platforms that are super greedy they are taking more than 60% from each of my sales. While the Europe platform only take 30%. So I could care less if I lose sale on the US sites, I prefer if my customer buy from europe site instead.
It seems countries getting hit by tariffs don’t tariff US goods as high as trump is claiming, https://www.threads.net/@aaliamauro/post/DICFOusPqD1
US doesn’t even export enough goods to some of those countries to hit tariff triggers. So most item remain tariff free. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/fact-check-trump-tariffs-trade/index.html
The tariffs broken down by internet level domain makes no sense, It looks very unscientific and lazy.
I see you avoided answering my question, so it’s a lot harder to give you hard facts, but let’s look at a hypothetical purchase in Lithuania.
First, you don’t seem to understand how tariffs work. We don’t pay tariffs on exports. We pay it on imports. Let’s say you sell a widget from your page for $10. To get it into the USA, I’d have to pay you $10, and Uncle Sam $2. Doesn’t matter how much you sell or don’t sell. The shitgibbon has demanded his 20%, and so if I were to buy something from you, I’d have to give $0.20 for every $1.00 I give you.
But that’s just the start of the hurt. European Union countries are likely to tariff us back. So if you order your raw materials from the USA, your own country is gonna be standing there with its hand out. That 4.56 EUR you were going to pay a US company also has a 0.91 EUR extra charge added to it by your country. So you raise from $10.00 to $11.00 to make up that extra 0.91 EUR…which then means I have to pay $2.20 to the Shitgibbon, pushing my price up to $13.20 US, JUST so you can still make your profit target.
Some countries are mulling export taxes as well. Ontario, for example, is putting a 25% export tariff on electricity shipped to the northern US. If Lithuania decides that widgets need a 20% export tariff, now, suddenly, your 10.04 EUR item now has Lithuania holding its hand out looking for 2.00 EUR. You’re not gonna want to eat that, so your price needs to increase so you get the same profit as before. Let’s say…13 EUR to make up the tariff margin (you end up giving 2.60 EUR to Lithuania, and are still giving 5.47 EUR to your supplier, leaving you with 4.93 left over), and now I’m paying $14.21 plus $2.84, for a total of 17.05. And this is all before you start talking about charging me even more.
Digital products may currently escape this, so if you’re offering software or PDFs or NFTs or whatnot, you might indeed be not worried about the immediate nonsense going down.
I have no problem with you if you’re raising your prices on platforms that take a bigger cut of your sales. I’d suggest you shop around for better platforms, and nothing says you have to use US platforms. I’d support you on an EU platform if that meant I paid less and you got paid more. It just seemed you were saying you were going to target Americans more just 'cause. We didn’t all vote for the Shitgibbon over here.
As for your last three paragraphs? Yeah. “Preaching to the Choir” is what I’d tell you on that. Yes, the tariffs are stupid. And Trump is golfing while the economy burns.
You only asked a 2 part single question to find out which platform to avoid, you obviously know it would not be answered. I need you to pay the higher prices, not avoid the platform. Since you want to **avoid **the platform I **avoid **telling you, we both avoid so it is fair.
Your explanation shows that you finally understand tariffs.
Yes it is all about **upsizing **the impact on US and reducing impact elsewhere. Voting for tariffs clearly shows that majority of US citizen and government loves to pay more tax for foreign and local goods.
You are right digital product/services escaped this for now, this means they might be affected in the future so based on your good advice I would have to raise prices for US so as to build up the buffer to weather the potential tariffs on digital goods/services.
To help the non-US people, penguins and seals, I give discount vouchers to non US customers to help them further reduce cost outside US.
I don’t need to shop around, I have mentioned my products are on other platforms.
I would still put my product on that US platform and others, for the advertisement and to pull non-us customer away from them to a better deals elsewhere but some users are willing to pay the higher prices so let them pay. willing buyer willing seller. it is not going to bankrupt anyone don’t worry. Note, I am also raising rates for US clients for digital services too not just products. Need to build the buffer.
So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.
And the only people who win are the billionaires that get to swoop in and buy everything up at bargain basement prices.
They care because their economies rely on people buying the products. The reasons why tariffs hurt both sides is because the movement of products decays. That’s the whole idea, so that the products’ supply source changes.
Cool but Americans should cool down their consumerism anyways.They consume the vast majority of stuff which is why everyone wants into the market.
Funnily enough, there’s actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.
California ! Uber Alles !
Unironically ? I’m so confused
Fun fact Deutschland Uber Alles was originally a call for German unification during the early 1800s and was originally a German republican rallying cry.
It’s a Dead Kennedys song reference that ironically did the German thing because of the governors (at the time) presidential goals and associated policies
Now it’s still relevant but
I kinda like it ?
I’m confused
Have never listened to the dead Kennedys so I kinda couldn’t get the reference so thanks for the context.
And this is constitutional how exactly?
There is a precedent for lawlessness. Literally anything is constitutional now, you just do it and ignore the court ruling. Where have you been the last decade?
Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.
Thank goodness now we are talking. Time for California to move past the Orange Turd.
Turd gonna clamp down on California. He’s got to. Otherwise he loses grip.
The tighter his grip the more states that will slip through his tiny fingers.
Other states should join in. It’s going to be rough no matter how you slice it, but I’d rather the states take the fight to him and the feds. Start controlling the narrative and take it away from the idiots.
No question.
What’s really to keep states with ports from just taking over Customs, especially with doge firing and closing federal agencies? If the states control their ports they control what gets tagged for tariffs, or am I wrong?
It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.
cExit?
How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?
There is a historical example, but given the outcome, I don’t think it would be a good idea to follow that blueprint.
The best way would be quiet quitting. Making routes to federal buildings surrounded by construction and road closures at odd times. Overlapping federal job descriptions internally and never communicating with federal equivalents unless required, and that with a “great email, still working on that!” Or “emailed Oregon about that and they had some great ideas, get with them for the data!”
Offering great state guard contracts to all military eligible to re-up, that exceed what the feds offer. Build out coastal protection fleet due to “them darn migrants.” Train your military in FPV as if you were what the US should be doing right now, so the feds know any pushback will be costly, and you’re not breaking any laws anyway, remember?
Tell your state and local police we don’t work with the FBI or IRS in cooperation any more, and let the populace know the feds must individually enforce all tax law. That’s where it’s good for the Feds to remember that’s not required, and the 4th amendment prevents them being forced to act… in fact, that makes them subject to arrest for trying due to the laws of the great state of california.
All legal, and petty. But legal.
Looks like you’ve been thinking of this… for a while already.
California is already home to a large naval fleet and Marines. They should pay them to switch sides.
It’s not possible - you can check out but you can never leave
You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible
That’s what the Civil War was about, there is no legal way to exit were one nation period end of story millions of dead soldiers proved it.
If a state tried to leave they would have to prove they could no matter the laws. It would be war. No ifs ands or buts. That means having a military that could take out the US military. Currently the top Airforce in the world is the US Airforce, the second largest Airforce is the US Navy, then it’s Russia, then it’s the US Army. Unless you can somehow convince the military to side with you when you leave, it’s not going to happen. I would imagine if you tried to claim it legally the best you could hope for is Federal agents walking in the second said state gov claims independence, and idk arresting the heads of state for treason, and telling said state to elect a new gov.
In short: War. I’m not being hyperbolic either.
There is no process. States cannot just up and say “see ya” on their own, we fought a war over that.
If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?
IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it’s basically impossible.
“But it’s not legal!”
Have you learned nothing the past three months? Laws are what we make of them.
A state seceding is a simple process:
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The state passes an act to allow it.
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The sitting president endorses the idea and agrees to let them go peacefully.
That’s it. The United States Constitution itself was illegally written, an exercise in simple willful power. State secession works the same way.
Part 2 is the hard part though
Meh. If everyone in California pitched in $1 and we straight up bribed him $35 million, I’m pretty sure he’d go off screaming about what a great idea it is and MAGA would eat it up.
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The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go “you can’t secede, that’s completely illegal and unconstitutional” (it is), at which point the state would either go “oh well” and stand down or go “go suck eggs” and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.
So, easy then! We know insurrections aren’t a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!
/s just in case
The FBI is going to pull a Sea Bear attack on you but wait you used “/s” so you’re good to go. LOL
Even if the federal government says “okay”. They may actually turn around and pretend it never happened… or they can start a war with them.
I don’t think the GOP would start a war just to start a war. They are a party grounded in principles and morals, and aren’t petty little bitches.
/s
Legally, a state can’t secede really, but the other states could agree to let it go. It would require a Constitutional Convention, which would require 2/3 of states to agree to let it go.
Oh shit can they do that?
Why not? If the last couple of months have proven anything, it’s that our entire system is a paper tiger.
I don’t think so.
Politics can sort of be like playing a cross between chess and chicken. Strategic moves to see who blinks first. It’s a constitutional challenge that will need to be addressed by the federal government, taking their time and resources from their own unconstitutional efforts.
Or not. I’m just an Internet person who as far as anyone knows has zero expertise in these sorts of things.
Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.
Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.
Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.
It would be hilarious if only red states had tariffs with the rest of the world.
While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.
The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can’t see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn’t even offering anything real in exchange.
And it’s the same for the European union. European states can’t get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read “Italy is ready to talk with trump” is just sucking dick
Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.
Not really a matter of forgetting. Trump was a leading advocate for Brexit. He wants to see the EU dissolved.
Putin does anyway and thus so does Trump
Let’s do it.
You’re implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn’t)
I’d say fuckin do it
It depends on who’s breaking the law/constitution.
At this point it’s hardly the law and the constitution. These are just unpredictable whims of the people in power.
Texas couldn’t secede, probably because it’s a red state…how amazing would it be if California became it’s own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it’s own. Do it Cali!
California produces 10% of American agricultural needs. If they secede it would be way worse on the economy than these tariffs.
depending on which produce item its significantly higher
I think if California were to secede, Oregon and Washington probably would too. A lot of blue states that border Canada would also probably Jump ship. New York and Michigan might secede too. Those 5 states make up almost 30% of America’s economy and are the center of very lucrative industries like the movie industry, automotive industry, electronics and software industries, the global financial industry. Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.
Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.
well no, the US would still be 60-70% of the total US economy without them lmao.
An economy that exports what? Let’s take Florida as an example. It produces a lot of fruit but the USA still imports most of it’s fruit from Latin America. Florida’s fruit feeds people, of course, but it doesn’t make money for the nation as a whole because it gets eaten domestically. What fruit from Florida gets exported is nothing compared to what the USA imports. Compare that to a state like Michigan which produces cars, that get exported and sold domestically. Which state’s products make America more relevant on the world stage? Disney is probably the most important thing in Florida for the rest of the world. Movies, TV shows, video games, and theme parks are all eaten up by a global audience and DeSantis treats Disney like shit because they are too “woke” I’m not saying the USA wouldn’t exist without the 5 states I mentioned, I’m saying no one would care.
I’m genuinely curious on how realistic this is… I can’t imagine it’s a simple process, but like what would need to happen for California to become it’s own country?
At the moment, California is taking signatures for studying a “CALexit” plan. It is about 500,000 signatures by July for a successful petition. After that, California starts to study the costs, opportunities, logistics, and other aspects of leaving the union.
To do so legally, Constitutional Convention. 2/3 of states would have to agree to let it go. And everyone would have to hammer out what happens to federal assets inside the state.
