Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump’s promise to crack down on “criminal illegal immigrants,” but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
Sad for his wife, but honestly fuck him, he got what he asked for.
Didn’t she willfully married a trump voter ? Or did he hide his shitty views before the wedding ?
Well she didn’t vote, so in that way she is not responsible. He is. She may be just as stupid, but we don’t know that.
I wonder if she knew he was actively supporting the politics of people that hate her.
LOTS of immigrants are anti-immigrant once they think they’ve made it in safely. Makes them feel better about themselves I guess.
I’m gonna go with probably not.
At least over here in Finland there are several immigrants who are running for the communal elections through the anti-immigration party Perussuomalaiset. And they get voted by other immigrants. They are many. Remember, “many” does not mean the same as “most”.
I honestly believe these idiots that voted for Trump somehow thought that they would be immune to his policies. He doesn’t give a fuck about you.
I know it’s been getting a lot of mileage on Lemmy lately, but:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Wilholt’s Law
He figured he was in the first group, and since conservatives tend to think women are property, he figured her being with him put her in that group too. Whoops.
This is a really good read on these types of situations. He’s a white guy and he thought that was enough. that means the rules don’t apply to him. I think as we are trying to figure these people out we sometimes overcomplicate it and a lot of the times the reasons are really quite simple. Just like them.
In general we give people who act stupid way too much credit, they’re actually just fucking stupid.
Conversely, we’re way too comfortable letting politicians play stupid instead of calling them out for their malicious intentions. And if the politician truly is stupid (Trump) there are handlers behind them pulling the strings
All conservatives want this law to be reality, and they all want to be in the first group. When you look at it in that light, all their supposedly contradictory actions make sense.
It seems like most of the time the realization they come to is less ‘oh wow maybe this is bad actually’ and more ‘hey, you put me in the wrong group!’
For sure. It’s the classic:
She definitely was not Muskinaire, that’s one of the ways you can bend your illegally-legally.
They thought by bending the knee to Trump, they would be exempt from his bullshit. You’re 100% right here. He doesn’t give a fuck about Americans, their families or the down troddened.
Trump only cares about Trump.
And anyone with power or money that will kiss his butt.
American exceptionalism
You shouldn’t have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that’s what we’re up against.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can’t think.
And there’s this whole war on empathy thing going on for a while.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
And they confuse the two and think they’re being empathetic. I’m not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported’, they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
Link, please?
I think both Empathy and this inability are required.
Inability to entertain the hypothetical is a failure in the pure logic reasoning side, quite independent of Empathy.
So, even the purest of sociopaths (hence, no Empathy whatsoever) can reason that “this can turn around and bit me” and thus not do certain things against others purelly for the selfish reason of not wanting to risk it coming around and bitting them.
Meanwhile those with Empathy will partly feel the emotions of others when observing them, and also when imagining “how does/will this make them feel”. They don’t tend to do things that hurt others because they themselves end up feeling some of the pain via their own Empathy.
So people with high Empathy won’t even want to do things to hurt others because it feels bad, those with low or no Empathy but an ability to entertain the hypothetical won’t support certain kinds of things that will hurt large groups of “others” purelly because of the higher risk that they themselves might directly or indirectly end up worse off from it and only the ones combining low Empathy and that inability to entertain the hypothetical (or just being too stupid to even begin to understand the risks of those things) will actual support such broad attacks on “others”.
I’ve heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it’s a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
Stimulating watch!
My sister in law’s family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out “all the illegals” but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn’t be a surprise.
Empathy is a marker of intelligence. I strongly doubt the education of conservatives. Hence the need for first-hand experience
Honestly I think this is part of why conservatives like homeschooling so much; being in a close classroom environment teaches most people empathy as they quickly realize they are not the center of the teacher or anyone else’s universe.
Conservatives want to deprive us the lesson of empathy.
This is the problem endemic with the GOP voter mindset as a whole. They lack any shred of compassion and only care about themselves. The point of a society is shared burden. If you don’t want to love your neighbor, go live in the woods
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
[Him and his wife] have been thinking a lot about [his] vote for Trump.
“I knew they were cracking down,” he said. “I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.”
He imagined the administration would target people who snuck over the border and weren’t vetted
But his wife, “they know who she is and where she came from,” he said. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”
The dumbfuck doesn’t show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn’t know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn’t admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
He’s probably just playing CoD while his wife shivers in a cell. His main grievance is that regular sandwiches aren’t arriving.
I bet he’s playing cello suite no.1 in G major
lol. Where is this from?
An article from just after Jan 6th happened. My phone says I saved it on Jan 8th, 2021, so it was literally a day or two after.
The more I see stories like this, the more I wonder if Americans can make it out of this hole they’ve dug. The average inhabitant seems… rather lacking, compared to other developed countries.
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otherdeveloped countriesPeople are dumb, especially when lied to 24/7.
The average Russian probably still thinks that Ukraine is Nazis and that they are winning. The average Chinese doesn’t know about Tiananmen square students protest or the brutal suppression much less Uyghurs genocide. Name a country and there’s something along those lines ongoing or at least in recent history. The far-right in Europe is doing much like America was just 10-20y ago other places are already ahead into their authoritarian phase.
I disagree. People are dumb. Pick a country and I’m sure I can find shitty takes reported in the news. Hell, look at Brexit
Brexit was indeed a dumb move, but let’s be honest here, it’s nowhere near what’s happening in the US right now. I can’t think of anything comparable in a first-world country, at least not since WWII.
There’s literally been a genocide ongoing in Palestine for almost 1.5 years. Hegemonic support for this genocide is a direct cause of growing fascism.
Liberal blind spots are amazingly huge.
Frankly I don’t think of Israel as a first-world country, so that hadn’t crossed my mind.
… yet
Agreed. The thought that you’re above the con, you could not fall for a grift, is the greatest thing a con man could hope for in a target.
Go watch any advice from cult experts. The people who think themselves too smart to fall into a cult, are MORE likely to be tricked or convinced into one
Exactly, the US government has made it this far on good luck and overall commitment to a mythical American ideal. All it took was a successful populist candidate and some class war propaganda to undo all that.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa … Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, …
“Supportive of stricter immigration policies,” doesn’t turn in his wife for violating existing immigration policies.
“No, no, she’s on of the good ones, not one of criminals, and she’s with me.”
the way the media talks about immigration and trumps policies are very specific and very corrosive. most of us here having this conversation understand what’s really at stake because we think about and analyze these things, but american media intentionally lets people who don’t know think they know what they don’t.
let me explain.
when donald trump talks about criminal aliens in our country, he means anyone born on foreign soil, born to foreign parents, or with citizenship somewhere else who has committed a crime. a crime to him is any breach of law. and he uses the terms “illegals” and “aliens” to distance people from their own humanity. but the media will cover it as he’s only interested in criminals. you know, like drug kingpins, traffickers, gun runners. our mass media misleads the populace. the reason they do this is doing so does numbers for them. when you have a for profit media apparatus, you will make more money if there is always an emergency. this way they can trick people like this guy into making their own emergency, and then they can package his tragedy and sell it to us.
everything is going according to plan
You can’t promise to round up and deport 10 million “criminal, illegal immigrants” without implying that all of the ~10 million undocumented residents are criminal. Unless you’ve been listening to Ann Coulter and believe there are 50 million undocumented - 1 in every 6 people in the country.
i know that. you know that. but not enough people do. they don’t understand scale or large numbers. they think if we increase minimum wage by $7, the price of a big mac will go up $7.
our education system is designed to make people susceptible to exploitation.
everything is going according to plan
These are the same morons that think Bezos isn’t rich enough to give all his workers raises; that ‘he would lose all his money!’
Math is not their strong suit.
You have to remember that to THESE people, being undocumented in any way shape or firm IS illegal. Whether or not that makes you a criminal is entirely different and they definitely say yes.
“I got mine”, he thought.
An american woman wouldn’t put up with his shit. My brother is unfortunately a trumper, and he got a foreign wife because she is the only woman that will put up with his shit that a normal woman would have walked out of years ago.
She slaves over him like a tradwife, raises his kids that isn’t hers from the previous woman that walked away from his shit. But he’s got joint custody.
I understand this is (hopefully) not how you meant it, but opposing “foreign wife” to “normal woman” is a rather unfortunate choice of words.
Poor choice of words but I’ve seen it myself. Old divorced racist conservatives literally traveling to Thailand for wives. Their goal is to find subservient women that they can’t get at home. Nothing against the foreigners it’s more and indictment on the American
I read it more as that’s what the brother likely thinks of his wife.
I’ve literally met old ass men with Vietnamese or Chinese wives half their age who INTRODUCE them as ‘My insert nationality here wife’
Yeah this isn’t great. While we can’t say for sure, “woman in a safer position” may well describe this situation as it’s an unfortunate pattern.
You won, get over it
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Instead . . . I voted for them.
Leopards meet faces, faces meet leopards.
Aren’t these people guys with guns who fantasize about fighting tyranny? Well this is your fucking chance to shine, sweetheart!
The one bit that’s not being mentioned: they detained her from a flight from Puerto Rico, which is a US protectorate. Does that mean flights from other US states are now being examined by border and customs?
They always were.
If you are within 100 miles of an international port, which includes international airports, not just water ports, or border crossings, your rights are non-existent, and can be ignored by law enforcement at their discretion.
ICE is switching resources away from terrorism towards attacking anti-genocide protestors.
Anti-genocide protestors are terrorists. Didn’t you hear the president. Anyone he likes is an honorable patriot as long as he likes him. If he dislikes you, you’re now a terrorist and heading to Gitmo. /S
Apparently… yes…
Oh no anyway.jpg
Dumbass.
She overstayed her visa. And he should have known about it. Maybe this situation will urge people to take it seriously and take steps sooner.
“Documented” lol once her visa expired, she became “undocumented”.
While the liberals are torching and destroying Tesla’s because they think they have a right to do it, they’re making heinous comments about people because it makes them feel better about their shitty immoral choices.
Keep crying.
Maybe this situation will urge people to take it seriously and take steps sooner.
She literally was taking care of it.
After she overstayed her visa.
Has anyone been caught for the Tesla fires? How do you know it’s liberals and not insurance fraud?
Maybe it’s just me… But as much as Trump is a terrible person, I don’t think his fans should be put in camps, deported, etc. Same with fans of genocide joe.
I’m sure your feelings matter to the Trump administration that’s building concentration camps and deporting people.
Yikes at this being downvoted. You’re literally just saying “Haha it’s ok to deport people illegally as long as they voted for Trump!” is a bad take.
Like, you can enjoy the irony and still have some actual principles.
