Did your Roku TV decide to strong arm you into giving up your rights or lose your FULLY FUNCTIONING WORKING TV? Because mine did.
It doesn’t matter if you only use it as a dumb panel for an Apple TV, Fire stick, or just to play your gaming console. You either agree or get bent.
Recommendations to purchase a smart TV but never connect it to a network are futile, as well. Just like Amazon devices, smart TVs will find an open SSID and then phone home for updates without your knowledge.
My recommendation, when these kind of topics come up, is: either exchange your smart TV for a dumb one, or go to an electronics repair shop to have a board or two exchanged (depending on the make and model, older dumb components may be direct-ish replacements for smart ones).
Recommendations to purchase a smart TV but never connect it to a network are futile, as well.
Not necessarily. Never connecting it to the internet is much better advice than trying to block it’s connections. After that it’s not (usually) difficult to open the back of the TV and simply disconnect the wifi adapter itself. In my experience it’s either a separate board connected by a ribbon cable or the same type of wifi adapter that is commonly found in laptops. If the antennas can be accessed then so can the adapter.
Yes, great advice. Open a high voltage device and play with its internals while voiding your warranty instead of checks notes… not giving it your Wi-Fi password.
Newer monitors are also good options. Usually they have enough HDCP compliant ports these days and none of the bullshit.
Pair with a sound bar or surround sound system and you got a great setup.
Where do you live that you have free wifi all around?
If I ever have a device connecting to open networks by itself I’m snipping its wifi antenna
Yeah, connecting to open networks seems questionable. If it gets infected and you later connect it to your network, they are clearly at fault. So I doubt they do this.
Don’t underestimate how dumb and greedy corpos can be
“Sorry, we … maybe won’t do it next time. Here’s a sweety and a $5 coupon now please forget about it.”
What even the point of making laws and regulations if corporate can just force you to waive all your rights?
Whats the point of laws when they just get in the way of corporate interests and exploitation.
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Will someone please think of the CEO’s bonus?? (…Nah, they can get bent.)
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A court wouldn’t uphold this
and by the time the court throws it out the TV I paid for has been disabled for months and I’m out a ton of money and time. A lot of people will just agree because defending your rights in this country is very expensive and cumbersome. They’re counting on this idea.
There’s a nonzero chance the SCOTUS would.
thats what the law is becoming. a way to enforce the will of the corporate state.
Because the laws and regulations have been influenced by lobbying by large corporations to suit them best.
I still can’t comprehend why American just accepting that “lobbyists” are a normal thing.
Isn’t that literally bribery in broad daylight to influence laws making decisions? And the fact that a corporate can “sponsor” politicians. You’re supposed to making those laws to keep the corporate in line, not taking their handout.
Are there any other countries with the same “lobbying” practice?
That’s why unalienable rights are so important.
That’s one big difference between the US and the EU law. In the EU, they can’t.
Wait you’re both waiving rights? Does that mean they can’t sue you for copyright or anything also?
Yeah, it is basically to keep them out of Tue courts.
I don’t think they really care how you use the roku, just that they don’t get sued or class action’d
Tuesday courts? What happens on Tuesday?
“Dumb” TV + PC + 🏴☠️. life is good
I’m putting together a parts list for a new living room set up. We’re getting a giant digital signage display and connecting it to my htpc.
Are there any good 4k 65"+ TVs without smart features? All the ones I see from LG Samsung Sony or other top rated TV manufacturers are smart TVs.
“My child, a minor, clicked agree when trying to use the TV I paid for. I have never seen this EULA.”
I wonder why Roku make you sign this agreement out of the blue. I think they’re about to drop either an acquisition announcement, or news they were hacked.
I of course signed it like an idiot. I hate this cyberpunk present.
My money is on a data breech - happens all the damn time.
Man if a hacker wants to break into my Roku to watch my streams I don’t really mind. Would be kinda cool to see what their preferences are on what they watch. Just don’t use my profile, that’s an act of war.
Data breach doesn’t mean hackers know what you watch, it means hackers know your name, address, and payment info
Was it your or you’re 8 year old who was just trying to watch some cartoons? 🤔
You are right there is something coming though
So Roku is also a piece of shit too eh? I knew that their device I bought wasn’t great but I thought it was just a cheap one. Glad I’m creating a media PC on Linux
I work for a streaming cable company and we keep getting calls about this. It’s not us, its Roku. You have to use your tv remote. Sorry you threw it away. We emulate the basic functions, but why would we emulate an asterisk? You’re cancelling because we can’t fix a third party issue… gotcha.
I haven’t connected mine to the internet for a long time
The fact that this is actually legal makes me glad to live in the EU. Damn, this shit is bleak.
Is it really legal, though?
IANAL, so take this with a grain of salt, but from my understanding, Its legal, though it may be unenforceable. If I want to sue them, they will say I agreed to arbitration in the contract, I will ignore that and continue to file. They will counter-file that I agreed to arbitration by accepting the EULA and that the case should be dropped, I will counter-file that I only agreed to it under duress because it was either agree or throw away my TV and that the arbitration clause is invalid because of X, Y or Z. At this point either the Judge will decide to listen to arguments from both sides then make a decision or will decide based on the undisputed facts presented by both sides and will either invalidate the EULA and allow the lawsuit to continue, or will uphold the EULA and drop the case with prejudice, or will allow me to make another argument and drop the case without prejudice allowing me to re-file with a better case.
The issue is, is it worth it to spend that kind of time and money for it in the first place? If you don’t have an open and shut case and can’t file in a state where you can make Roku pay the legal fees, in general whatever you’re trying to accomplish will cost you more than just getting off their ecosystem, which is what they are counting on. Since you would have to sue them just to see if you can sue them, it just adds extra time, money, and effort into suing them that it is more likely to deter people from actually suing and instead choosing to arbitrate under their terms which, depending on the ethical considerations of the company, could be fair or it could be heavily skewed in their favor. At which point you can decide at that point if you should sue and then will also have any evidence acquired about an unfair arbitration in the filings as well.
Either way, the legality is perfectly legal to be in an EULA, its enforceability though is mostly only backed by how much time, money, and effort it would take to bypass it. Like if there is an open door with a sign saying “Please use next door” and the next door leads to the same place as the open door. Most of us will just use the next door because its not worth the effort to deal with whatever issue might occur if we used the open door. But if the “next” door is locked, we’d just go in the open door because its no longer worth the effort to deal with procedures the company wants.
Thanks. What a fucked up system, man.
It probably isn’t legal most places. EULAs are already considered fairly flimsy in terms of enforcement, but changing an EULA after you’ve already bought a device, in such a way as to reduce your statutory rights, is almost certainly a complete non-starter.
Watched the other day video about always online games being terminated and Ross, guy behind “Freeman’s mind” is starting world wide legal action against Ubisoft and some others. He talked specifically about EULAs in US and they are like promises from god. If you accept them suing the company for anything covered there becomes a nightmare. Here’s a link. It’s a bit longer watch, but worth it.
I’m so disappointed in Roku lately. I still have a few streaming sticks in my house and one TV (I went all in), and I’m going to slowly replace them with something else.
I have an apple tv and that is nice, but I would love a little open source player that isn’t an htpc or super pricey.
What if you never connect it to the internet? Surely then it’s a just a dumb TV.
Cool. Can you buy something else and stop talking about it for days now?
