Handmaid’s Tale anyone?
So surprising, things have really changed since the “grab her by the pussy” days
I mean, a major problem in society is that two incomes are required to pay off a mortgage - and making one member of that equation unable to work society wide would solve that, leading to mortgages and hence housing price calibration (calibrating it to a single wage income)…
…but I was kind of hoping that wouldn’t be a product of gender segregation. Also this seems like it’s going to affect a lot of other things and people women’s autonomy and hence freedom and safety in jeopardy.
No Bueno.
A better calibration would be a three day week so one person could work and one person could do household stuff on any particular day and you still have a day to enjoy together.
Realistically, the loss of women’s income would lead to a housing crisis as millions of families are unable to pay their mortgage, but it’s naive to think housing prices will plummet. Plenty of vulture capital firms and the like will happily scoop those houses up to rent back to us in perpetuity.
Except the amount they’d need to rent them for just to break even would still be just about as high as the mortgage payment would have been, so they’re gonna lose out there, too.
Even then, they still own the housing stock as assets, which they can hold indefinitely. Their financial backing and ability to weather financial storms is much higher than the average American family. The goal is to remove ownership from the lower classes and ensure the plebs can only rent. It’s more about control than anything.
I think it’s adorable that people believe that the capitalists would do away with female labor instead of going back to the good old days of just devaluing it. The myth that women didn’t work outside the home is a fiction. Only the upper classes could afford such a luxury. Poor woman always had to work, often for much less pay.
Poor woman always had to work, often for much less pay.
Exactly. Women always worked - they were just segregated into lower paying jobs and had less rights (pregnant? no more job for you! and since you’re desperate, enjoy the shitty working conditions).
There will always be poor single mothers that have to work to support their family. They just won’t have labor protections.
I too wish to own republican women again. Hell I’ll work hard so I can afford whole binders full of women.
Gross
It’s an older meme. We thought Romney was so awful back in 2012. We do miss the days when McCain was the nominee.
we thought palin was batshit insane. rep, knows how to one-up each other.
"I didn’t realize there were more than 2 lines to the poem.’
-MAGAts
Oh wow who could have predicted this
Damn, it gets worse every week
I wish it was only republican women losing their rights.
How ironic, that dehumanizing rhetoric is exactly how we got here.
really… yeah, let’s shed a tear for the poor republican women, waving “Mass Deportation Now” signs. They didn’t seem to care about dehumanization so much then. Now they are the ones being dehumanized, hopefully they’ll remember how that feels come mid-terms.
Stooping to their level doesn’t make us better than them.
Try to understand that most of them don’t know any better and are just trying to look good in front of their peers who also do not know any better.
Dehumanizing? I am just saying they should get what they asked for. But here the thing: being a minority isn’t a choice, being gay isn’t a choice. Being a republican is. But if that is dehumanizing then so be it. They can join humanity again whenever they want.
There are willing to become tradwife after all.
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It’s why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we’ve history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
If you gloss over the fact that it could be FUCKING VOLUNTARY instead of hate crime. your point is valid for anyone that loves to be forced to do things they don’t believe in
I’m not arguing for it, I agree that it’s fine if it’s a free choice. I don’t think personally that it’s a good one, though.
My point is that many of the women pushing this on the republican side view all of this, including their own loss of rights, as a positive likely. It’s not like a “leopards eating faces” or “voting against their interests” situation where they might be reachable.
Incels are finally having their moment. Next they will propose laws requiring hot girls to date them.
Incels aren’t getting shit out of this, this benefits rightwing patriarchs who have abused wives at home.
Incels are alone in a basement or some shit dreaming about being the rightwing patriarch but the rightwing patriarch doesn’t likely feel anything but disgust for the incel. They’d purge the incel in a heartbeat if they could.
It’s more about doing everything they can to increase white birthrates. This us very much to secure white identity and majority.
Replacement theory in effect
No they wouldn’t. That’s their voter base
Note the “if they could”
The government mandated girlfriend will finally come true for Incels.
Not date them, breed ala handmaids tale
Can’t wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: “What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!”
Fucking hilarious. Serves them right.
This isn’t a leaopards eating faces thing for republican women. These women derive social, economic, and political benefits through their association with the men who hold power in our patriarchal system. By aligning with backwards gender roles or evil ideologies, they feel protected and valued within the system even as it restricts their autonomy. They know what they’re doing.
They do, but there is an assumption that the relationship between women like that and the wealthy ruling class men they attach themselves to is reciprocal. It, of course, is not.
Take the woman who has a child by Elon Musk. Her and Musk had a romantic getaway and brief liason. She clearly wasn’t upset at being pregnant by him. There was an assumption that she’d be cared for. Even if not directly, indirectly. She definitely did not anticipate that she would actually be confined to an apartment 24 hours a day, entirely neglected without any contact from the father of her child. Nor that she’d be left with a child to raise on her own, and no support either financial or emotional or in terms of literal labor.
Call her ignorant and bigoted, both are valid criticisms. But she absolutely was not anticipating this outcome. There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
They are infuriatingly wrong. But do not be so quick to mischaracterize all conservative/fascist women as knowingly participating in the elimination of their own rights. They are systematically indoctrinated. Inexcusably, I will add. There is no justification for supporting fascists, no justification for supporting violence against women. To combat the ideology they espouse it is crucial to understand not just what they say but what they think.
There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
This may be true for some women, maybe in the “tradwife” and white supremacist circles. But if, as you say, it’s critical to understand what these women think, you have to understand that they are not a monolith. There are other motivations to consider.
I was raised in a fundamentalist, evangelical church. Within that community, there was no presumption of a hierarchical position over other women. There was only our god-given position to be subservient to our fathers, and later, our husbands. We could either obey the divine plan to someday reach heaven or disobey it and be resigned to hell. There was no in-between.
Now, a reasonable person would see this as patently ridiculous. But the problem is that reason has no place in this worldview. You doggedly follow a literal interpretation of the King James Bible, or you go to hell.
Many years ago, when I was 16, I had asked for a particular privilege. And my mother agreed to grant it if I would listen to some audio tapes that she had of a series of sermons from a woman. Now, that was unusual in itself, because women are not allowed to teach men within fundamentalist churches (Because The Bible Says So™). So this was definitely a teaching that was only meant for women. What I heard was horrifying.
The entire point of this sermon series was to teach women how to be good, submissive Christian wives. The lesson of one tape was literally that if your husband commanded you to commit murder, you would have to do it, because God put him in charge of you and your duty to God was simply to follow orders from your husband.
A woman would not be judged for breaking a commandment if she followed the direction of her husband. The husband would be punished for causing someone to break God’s commandments, but the wife would be spared because she was simply doing her duty as a wife to follow what her husband said.
Women’s agency is completely removed in this scenario. Which sounds exactly like what the men described in the article want.
Again, the problem here is that reason has no purchase in this worldview. No amount of evidence or argument is going to change their minds or magically give them a sense of agency.
Damn, I saw the same kind of thing. Most of the non denominational churches are poisoning society for a sliver of power, if only over the women.
I really appreciate you sharing your own experiences here, having experienced life in these fundamentalist communities. Youre right, there definitely is far more nuance to the beliefs of right-wing women than just “they feel and think X way.” For what it’s worth I’m sorry you went through that. I hope that you’re in a safer and happier place now.
It is bleak how little we can do for women who are fully indoctrinated into that worldview. They will push back against women’s rights every time. Liberation could possibly change some of their minds, but it’s impossible to predict. Deradicalization is not a task based in repeatability. It isn’t something we can do reliably. It depends entirely on the radicalized individual.
Yes, I’m living my best life now in spite of everything I was taught in my formative years.
You’re right about that whole last paragraph. Of the dozen-ish kids from my small, rural church who were in our youth group together, I’m the only one who got out. The rest of them are raising their own teens in the church now, most of them still even in the same town.
I don’t know what made me so different. I always had a keen sense of logic, and I was just rebellious enough to question things. I also had access to “heretical” art that helped me feel less alone (shout out to '90s alternative rock). I wasn’t the only one of us who went to university, but I was the only one who moved out of my family home to do it.
I don’t think there’s anything I could say to any of them now that would make them reconsider their worldview. Of course, that works both ways. I know they consider me a sort of “fallen woman” for having strayed from the Straight and Narrow™.
Can confirm, was also raised as a woman in a fundamentalist church. We didn’t stick just to the KJV, but then the pastor would turn around and preach out of LaHay’s Left Behind series too, soooooo.
When I was 17, I went to a youth christian convention, and during the main speaker, they had the thousands of teens and 20somes in the audience participate in a mass marriage to god. They said that god would provide a good husband for me.
Then I got raped and made the mistake of turning to the bible for comfort. The bible says that women who get raped in the city should be put to death, and women who get raped outside the city need to marry their rapist. Now, the text I read made it sound like it wasn’t really the location, but whether or not she screamed, and I had screamed, so I reasoned that I needed to marry the man instead of killing myself.
I am so sorry that happened to you and that the place where you turned for help just added to your trauma.
Well, good news is that I’ve been out of that fuggin cult for nearly 20 years now, and therapy has done so much more for me than religion ever has.
Amen, sister.
They believe, it’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. Wrong clothes, wrong place to be, wrong friends, wrong man, wrong. Why do they believe this? Control. If it’s the woman’s fault, then it is preventable, she only needs to do the right thing. And now apply this to a greater scheme. It’s a woman’s responsibility how men are treating her, not by voting or being successful in her job or god forbid being a politician, no, just by modesty and pleasing her husband. And if a woman still gets hurt, well, she probably wasn’t modest enough. So getting extremer is the answer. That’s how they are thinking.
The wondrous simultaneity of having free will while being a product of the universe that created you.
When push comes to shove though, what do we do, remove a person’s agency and look at the environment, or allow them their agency and make them responsible for their choices?
I feel like answering this paradox is akin to reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity.
They just want to sit at home during the day taking queludes and fucking the mailman.
I mean, to be fair, I wouldn’t mind fucking the mailman for some qualudes either.
I read years ago that white republican women will put up with being treated as lesser in their circles in order to treat others as lesser. So they’re fine with being spoken down to and shuffled aside so they can feel free to yell at minorities.
What if wanting to believe that there is some nice place that good people go when they die, leads people to support the mass murder and immiseration of countless women, children, queer people and BIPOC?
Religion is, and probably always has been a means of control. That’s not to say that it is that at every level, or that it’s only that. Religion is designed to bring you comfort and assistance in your times of need, while charging you a fee for the service. The business has to run, the staff and bills have to be paid, the top officers need to be fabulously wealthy. Not all religions are against Women, Children, BIPOC, and LGBTQ, but if you’re trying to exert control, they make easy scapegoats. White men make all the money, Let us hold down all these minorities so you can smother them to make yourself feel better, now pay us.
One of my friends attends and assists with a great little church. It’s a small, modest community church. The pastor is gay, and drag queens come to read stories occasionally. The place is just kept up with. They’re not squeezing 30% out of the community. I’m not one for church, but I approve of what they’re doing wholly.
Religion takes the best parts of human nature, and convinces people that these things come from some big other, who is always watching and judging us. It turns us inside out, and the world upside down. I don’t get mad at god or judge people for being religious but anything that convinces good people that they are fundamentally evil is itself the opposite of goodness.
It is absolutely a method of control, its no coincidence that the emergence of basically all the major religions coincides with the rise of class domination.
“With or without religion, good people would do good and bad people would do evil. But to make good people do evil takes religion.”
I also try not to judge people simply for being religious, but it’s pretty damn hard when it’s the direct cause of their affirmative stance on things like anti-vax, anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-science etc.
Of course there are people with those stances who aren’t religious at all too, but they do seem to be in the minority.
I know a couple people who swear that religion turned their life around. I swear they’re the nicest most pleasant people I know. They claim that when they were teenagers they were consistently stealing things and breaking into places and it wasn’t until they found God that they stopped.
The one guy was a little more analytical than the other guy. He looked me dead in the eye and said I don’t know that God is up there watching, But I do know that in the time when I needed somebody to be watching, I felt he was and I made better decisions.
Now, I think that this is an outlier case but I’m apprehensive to just completely discount religion even though I know in all cases it’s control. A lot of churches do have reasonable positive outreach for the money. Of course for each one of those you’ve got another church out there really everybody for 30% in no matter what their situation is.
I really understand that it is a nuanced issue, people are extremely intricate and surprising creatures. People have a way of taking the worst circumstances and making them wonderful. If a little God makes your life better, fucking go for it. My granddad, one of the sweetest most caring men I ever met, his final words were, “God in heaven…” And then He passed. At which point it doesn’t matter if heaven is a “real” place, it is real because it is real to people who believe in it. On the other hand, many atheists are insufferable and just as ignorant and entrenched in their negative belief as the worst religious people can be. I’ve studied religions and was deeply Catholic until I was about 30, so like 15 years ago. I love to discuss theology. Personally I read the Tao te Ching and it helps me connect with my spirit, and I want others to have that, whether it comes from religion or music or just other people.
But the parts that are a mechanism of control are just too ingrained into it. I believe in freedom and human self-creation. If religion helps you accomplish that, go for it: praise Jesus, God is Great. But if it doesn’t, then to the extent that it actively prohibits this then it is to that extent that I oppose it. Sometimes its a little, sometimes its a lot.
I don’t get mad at god
Right, because it would be like getting mad at Santa Claus.
Religion also conditions you to out source your moral judgements. This allows someone to use their authority to convince people of immoral things.
Totally agree, but why is your username the noise made by my old 28.8k modem?
