I agree, theres no need to fight
Nah, I want more, smaller communities.
I agree and I think we should merge instances too, and maybe appoint a CEO to take care of it. we can call it lemmit.
Your proposal is much too streamlined.
Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!
Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.
Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.
Memes, uhh, find a way.
Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.
I think it would be cool if something like “meta-communities” existed. Fully adjustable, fully optional. Less duplicates.
You’d sub to one meta c/memes or c/news and see a combined feed of all known instance’s versions. Post to whichever you want, show up in the meta (if you want).
If you still want to block from the meta sub or individually sub to c/memes on ABC instance, you could do that. Moderation would be subject to the instance the user posted on, subject to broader instance admin’s defederations and stuff.
Idk just a quick idea. Decentralization is good, but a little bit of… aggregation like this could go a long way without actually centralizing power. Could help communities (big and small niche) to grow.
This is a fantastic idea. I really love the decentralization of Lemmy, but I do feel the side effects of having many copies of the same subject on different instances.
And to your point, I’d love for niche communities to have a larger audience. I need somewhere to post and read about project zomboid.
I’ve been saying this over a year ago:
https://lemmy.world/comment/708523
This why lemmy and federation instances are so missing and empty. We don’t even have the option to make custom subscription lists or I’d have manually done that. It’s so badly needed
So, think through how this looks in the long run. Hell, just think about what this prioritizes.
You have five communities covering the same topic. There’s, what? 500? 1000? 2000 people active in them? Enough that there is a steady stream of posts and comments in all of them. They’re all housed on separate websites, and those websites maybe have different goals and different rules. So, people start lumping them together in aggregate feeds.
What does that look like? In practice, how do users treat this?
They treat it as if they’re all one community. As if they’re all in one place. All managed by one cohesive set of rules (or, realistically, most people treat all spaces as if none of them have rules, and then put up a stink when they’re met with the consequences of this).
Then, they start expecting to not see duplicates. So, which community’s posts do they see when there are multiples? Oh, that’s easy: all of them! They will start expecting comments to be merged. So, now you have people treating all of the communities not only as if they’re interchangeable, but as if they’re all one.
This is a backdoor to not just homogenization, but to quiet hostile takeovers of smaller communities by larger ones. All because users are too damn entitled to just pick one that most closely meets their needs and contribute to it.
We don’t need meta-communities. We need people to get over their fucking FOMO.
Those are actually all really good points. Nevermind about my idea then…
Isn’t RSS what you’re describing?
Not exactly but that’s a good way to think about it in essence. These metacommunities would be purpose built for and integrated into lemmy though, otherwise it would just be RSS which doesn’t address the fragmentation issue.
Sounds like a whole app idea.
but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based
isn’t the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?
Options are better than useless limitations (ignoring scope creep)
I created an instance for one specific community so that users won’t be affected by who federates from who (unless you’re a spam instance or something like that)
There’re some different ideas in the thread now, basically a fediverse type of consolidation.
Yes
The chronically online weirdos on world don’t like the chronically online weirdos on ml. They are both chronically online weirdos and I try to view these really active communities or names I recognize like a zoo. These people are throwing shit at eachother for our amusement. Keep it separate.
I see we both took a day trip to the zoo and got locked up by accident.
We’re all trapped in the zoo, my friend. The illusion is that none of us are caged.
Quick! Someone crosspost this to !memes@lemmy.world
Or… And here me out… when can go descentralised ;-)
Don’t take it wrong. I dislike to check multiples communities just like you but then I remember how centralised my life is and I’m fine with it.
yeah, I thought the whole point of lemmy was not to centralize everything … it’s nice when things are spread across separate instances, as long as the instances federate
Do you want to readegermansmemessfrom ich_iel? Cause that’s how you get german memes from ich_iel.
I’m quite deliberately avoiding lemmy.world, so no, we shouldn’t just put everything on there.
Wym, don’t you want Reddit but somehow more self righteous?
You put it better than I could, it’s exactly the self-righteousness that puts me off. And they basically control what gets defederated singlehandedly.
I blocked .world because it’s a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don’t do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.
Fuck .world
If I could only take sides with tankies ot fascist, I wouldnt chose sides either.
Oh look holocaust trivialization
Ok, that needs a little explaination
Painting Communists and fascists as equal evils originated as a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.” The reality is that Communists have historically been an overall quite positive force compared to liberalism and fascism. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to see an honest comparison and critique that highlights just how wrong equating fascism with Communism is.
First of all: I didnt set them equal. I just said I wouldnt chose either. If you are offering me two meals: A deadly vial of arsenic and some garbage out of your trash, i wouldnt chose too.
And furthermore: Tankie (as far as I understand this word) doesnt mean communist. And the communists I know, dont want to be seen like this.
So please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Equal or similar in awfulness, neither is accurate to reality, and again, has roots in the aforementioned method of Holocaust trivialization called Double Genocide Theory.
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
No Communist wants to be seen as this caricature, they’d rather be seen as the Marxists they are, but those who use the term “Tankie” as though it has any meaning contribute to the demonization of Communists.
Ok another try:
If I get offered 2 options, and both options are bad for me, I wouldn’t choose either. By this, I dont rank their “badness”, I just tell that those options are not suitable for me. Not more not less.
Like arsenic and trash. They are both not suitable for me. But I dont rank them. I just say " no".
I my bubble the term tankie means somethin like a neo-sowjet, who thinks that the SU was heaven on earth. Not a communist. To be honest, I havent invested any real effort in researching this. But I just quotet the word, theyre not my words.
And once again Please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Hey i remember you. last time we had this convo and i pointed out some key facts about the dissolution of the USSR (after you claimed it was murdered) you threw an epic tantrum and started screaming about fake news.
I don’t remember any of that at all, mind linking it? What facts did I deny? The USSR was dissolved intentionally, not really as a result of inherent issues with Socialism, that’s true at least.
What a wonderful misrepresentation of reality. Ah well, as you said, it’s modlogged so good luck pretending
Cowbee already answered your question but I’d like to point out that as a German you really need to be careful about what propaganda you believe about the Soviet Union and Stalin. Keep in mind that Germans killed 26 million soviet citizens less than a hundred years ago.
Dude you need to broaden your circles
I’d take the Marxists over the literal Nazis 10000 times out of 10000, and not a single time would there even be a microsecond of contemplation. One only need to know that the Nazis industrialized mass murder and the Communists focused on improving the lives of the working class to know that it isn’t even worth comparing.
First they came for the tankies, and I said good fuck em that’s between y’all
Just chiming to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy
Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.
Which instance are you using? I’ve been using world since start, but open to others. Never really looked into it too much.
EE is nice. They won’t defederate with just about anyone. But so far the mod assholery has been minimal.
Hexbear.net (currently chapo.chat) is good, if you’re a Communist or Anarchist. What kind of interests do you have? Dbzer0 has a bunch of great piracy resources, as an example.
Loads of instances do not federate with hexbear.
Surely it’s only a good instance if you’re happy with a much less federated experience, to say nothing of the usual complaints people have of hexbear users.
There are some instances that defederated from Hexbear, but largely instances like Lemmy.world. Hexbear is active enough on its own, federation is just a bonus.
I’m curious why you said “instances like Lemmy.world”
https://chapo.chat/post/505181
Looks like the nice people, the canadians, the LGBT, the trans people, the furries, the new zealanders, the programmers, the germans, and the environmentalists defederated with Hexbear, in terms of instances that have a strong theming. The only common trend I can identify between those groups is that they all tend left of center. Except perhaps the germans, given current events.
So when you said “instances like Lemmy.world”, did you mean leftists?
Not at all, I mean generally right-wing liberal instances. Many Leftist or general instances are federated with Hexbear, like Mander or Lemm.ee.
We could go into the reasons for defederation, if you want.
Ah, so you mean that many right wing instances are deferated, and ALSO the queers, the trans people, and the furries. Interesting. If both the left and the right are opposed to Hexbear, that would logically suggest Hexbear is centrist.
a Communist or Anarchist
What a clever way to say anarchists aren’t communists. I’m proud of you, tankie. You guys are always so subtle.
That’s not what I was implying, historically “Communist” has been used for Marxists. Anarcho-Communism is only one type of Anarchist, there are Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anarcho-Primitivists, etc, meanwhile Marxism is always Communist.
Anarchists and Marxists do want different end-results, Anarchists want full decentralization and Marxists want full centralization and democratization, but are aligned in opposition to Capitalism and Imperialism and wish to create a more just and equitable society for all.
Marxism is always Communist
Well, if you mean genuine marxists, then yes. But many non-marxist, non-communist groups call themselves marxists, such as Stalinists, who argue for Socialism In One Country against Marx’s advice. You’ve got to look out for those.
Socialism in One Country isn’t against Marx at all. The argument between Socialism in One Country and Permanent Revolution was whether it was worth building up Socialism while also supporting global revolution, or devote all resources to global revolution and give up on Socialism until then. Permanent Revolution ended up being generally wrong, and depended on the Peasantry being incapable of genuine alliance with the Proletariat, which was wrong.
Genuinely, what do you think Socialism in One Country means to where it goes against Marx? Communism must be global, but Socialism begins with the Proletariat taking control.
I’m on lemm.ee! It seems to have a good balance of users and sensible defederation. On mobile, the app you use make a world of a difference too. Both Jerboa and Thunder (Android) were mid tier experiences, but now I’m using Boost and it’s phenomenal!
