The group of more than a dozen masked individuals marched wearing red shirts and black pants, waving flags with swastikas on them. It is not clear at this time who the group is or affiliated with, though many of the shirts said “Blood Tribe.”

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    It is not clear at this time who the group is or affiliated with…

    The GOP. They’re affiliated with the GOP.

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      They should have said “it’s not documented at this time…” because like you said, it’s not exactly unclear.

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    So…they are neonazis and they somehow name themselves after a primitive type of group, a tribe, that belongs to an inferior civilization, according to their views? Are they incapable of proper thinking or what?

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      Are they incapable of proper thinking or what?

      I don’t know what about their actions makes you think they are capable of complex thoughts.

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          You seem to have a fundamentally incorrect view on how they view these things, but quite frankly it’s way too complicated to explain in a comment, so, idk.

          Read a book that discusses fascism and it’s love of syncretism, or listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on Hitler’s favorite novel series or something if you want to understand why Nazis love tribal warrior cultures, or at least things they can pretend are their ideas of such.

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          barbarian was just the word romans to describe non-romans. It’s simply roman propoganda to call any tribes that weren’t roman barbarians. The implication that their customs were somehow cruel compared to modern standards is also way off base. It’s simply a way to dismiss a people and a culture because it’s not your own, which if you ask me is pretty fucking barbaric.

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      The Tennessee chapter is rumored to be predominantly into children which is why they hide their faces

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      oh gee a decade into worldwide hard right authoritarian rise and there’s always some yahoo making this same fuckdamn stale joke IN EVERY FUCKDAMN THREAD.

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            Fucking nazis are taking over western culture

            Maybe you should ask why “western culture” seems so uniquely fond of nazism.

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              Oh I know why but it’s not just a Western culture thing, it’s a human thing but recently changes in human culture has made the west especially susceptible to it.

              It’s tribalism and fear and lack of investment in the future of our nation, it’s economic stress and social disconnectedness and the very human desire to try and blame all problems on a single monolithic entity, and to follow the largest and loudest person who hates that monolithic entity so much he will take your culture to the victorious promise land of a past that never existed.

              That is fascism in one paragraph.

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                it’s a human thing

                Since when is capitalism a “human” thing? You know… capitalism? That thing fascism cannot exist without?

                That is fascism in one paragraph.

                Yeah… I don’t think you know anything about fascism.

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                  Since when is capitalism a “human” thing?

                  Humans invented it and have widely adopted it across nearly all cultures?

                  Do you even think about what you write or are you using an LLM?

                  Yeah… I don’t think you know anything about fascism.

                  Well considering how pants-on-head idiotic your first statement was, I’m not sure your personal definition is any more informed.

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        The Blue Brothers was released in 1980, and you think this shit is only a decade old?

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            Stormfront has been around for nearly 30 years. HBO made a documentary about them.

            There’s an argument that big websites are barely moderated now (aside from child porn that can actually get them in trouble) so they’re more visible in mainstream places, but they were always there and found each other easily.

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      It’s not hard at all to be a decent person, it is the default state for most of humanity. Shitstains like those nazis actively spend more energy and resources being dicks on purpose.

      Most of them ‘for the lulz’.

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      Nazis are one of the United States oldest enemies. I get free speech but I still don’t understand why there isn’t a K.O.S. order to all able-bodied Americans for any Nazi. When someone is identified as a Nazi, it should not only be legal, but an order for any armed person in the country to open fire. Immediately.

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        Who governs this body of K.O.S. targets? Is it a democratically elected position? What happens if the wrong person is elected to this position and suddenly Muslims, queer, or communists are placed on this list?

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        lol they aren’t enemies, half our cops and 1/3 of our politicians share the same rancid ideals.

        If anything, how jan6 is being handled as compared to the Floyd protests should make that abundantly clear.

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    It is MORE THAN A DOZEN!!! Like 14!!! Maybe even 15!!!

    I think the best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves.

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      They wear masks because they know what they do is unacceptable and would ruin their livelihood if it could be traced back to them personally.
      They are still out there matching as Nazis.
      Humiliation is not enough.

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      The best thing to do is punch them and toss them in the deepest hole you can find. The second best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves. You just have to be careful with that second one though because of the saying about a nazi drinking at a bar.

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          I kind of think if they got punched in the fucking face on a regular basis maybe we would see a lot less of them and their evil bullshit.

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          be better all you want. but personally just fucking them up on sight would be ok with me.

          let other people be better, but the being better part is what allows these kinds of people to freely march in the first place.

          these people thrive on confrontation, and feel that confrontation will make others flock to their side. i think we should give them all the confrontation they want, basically at every opportunity. being better than them is good in the long run. being worse than them will get them off the streets.

          this is Nashville, we can do both.

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          I could sit at home jerking off with Cheeto dust on my titties and be better than them, but that doesn’t get Nazis off the street. They already understand that their actions are wrong that’s why they wear masks. They are not humiliated, humiliation won’t work.

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          Punching a Nazi isn’t sinking to their level. Shooting a Nazi in the head and burying them in a shallow grave would be sinking to their level. Punching them in the face and reminding them that they never should have crawled out of whatever rock they’d been hiding under is just being a good American. It’s what Captain America would do after all.

          If every time a Nazi pokes their head out they get punched in the face, one of two things will happen, either they’ll stop poking their head out, or they’ll reevaluate their life choices and decide to stop being a Nazi. Either option is a win for everyone else.

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    People have to step up and denounce this stuff publically, openly and loudly enough everywhere. And I don’t mean causing violence, attacking or assaulting anyone in any way. I mean more people should step up and just state how they do not accept this and pressure their government representatives to act and do something and say something to discourage individuals like this.

    If people are silent, and don’t know about it then they are just the ignorant masses.

    If they are silent but know that it is happening but still say nothing … then they are complicit, because their silence is an acceptance of movements like this.

    American is slowly diving into a rabbit hole that the world already visited almost a century ago.

    It’s easy to deal with now and it’s easy to stand up and tell everyone you don’t accept this.

    The longer everyone stays silent and passive, the more their chances of saying anything evaporates.

    When it goes on for too long and too far … it takes far more energy and activism to stop this ugly movements.

    The last time it went too far … it took a world war and millions of dead everywhere in order to stop it … and even then, it wasn’t stopped, it was just merely controlled and brought down to a manageable level because it never really disappeared.

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      Well said.

      Principiis obsta et respice finem — ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’

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        Principiis obsta et respice finem — ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’

        Thank you for sending me down this path of little research

        They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Mayer (written in 1955)

        As Mayer’s Nazi friend noted, “I do not see, even now [how we could have stopped it]. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice - ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men?”

        Some notes taken from this blog - https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2005/11/they-thought-they-were-free

        Milton Mayer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Mayer

        They Thought They Were Free - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free

        August Heckscher, the chief writer of editorials of the New York Herald Tribune, wrote that the book “suggests how easy it is for human beings in any society to fall prey to a dynamic political movement, provided their lives are sufficiently insecure, frustrated or empty.”[1] He stated that the book is simultaneously a discussion on ethics, on “how political tyranny is established”, and on issues in Germany and the “German mentality”.

        = = = = = = = =

        Thanks for sharing this little tidbit … Now I have to go a read the book for myself

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          I really should have mentioned that book is where I got that from, glad you were able to find it and for spreading awareness of it with your update.

          Overall I enjoyed the book but it wasn’t what I was expecting going in based on that large block (mostly included on that blog link) about the slow boiling of fascism. Super depressing subject to be reading about not out of historical curiosity but increasing modern relevance :(

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      Nope, sorry.

      Unless you somehow think we should have stormed the beaches at Normandy with care bare plushies and hallmark chocolate assortments.

      Almost zero nazis can be deradicalized by thoughts and prayers, the only solution is to beat them bloody till they’re afraid to show their faces.

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        Fighting, war and death is a last resort when all hope and possibility is lost.

        We’re not there yet so it’s still possible to convince others not to follow these movements and make those that do follow so uncomfortable and unwelcome that they can stay in the shadows where they belong.

        It’s mostly our political leaders right now. If we allow leaders that allow this behaviour or leaders that even are part of this then we people have the power to either put them in power or remove them from power through elections.

        And it’s not just political leaders either … it’s those with wealth and power that fund and support these movements as well as corporations that would not mind seeing fascist and anti democratic governments in place. The more we call out the instigators and supporters, the more uncomfortable they will be.

        Because it also works the other way, the more people speak out, the more they see that there are many more people who share the view of anti Nazism and anti fascism. If we all just sit silently, we never know how many supporters are around us and it makes us feel like a minority.

        So speak out in public and speak up with your political leaders.

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          Sure sure, I don’t want anyone anywhere to die of violence.

          But there are people out there who do, and some of them are nazis, and there is a nonzero statistical chance that me or my loved ones will be caught in some form of mass shooting or domestic terrorist act.

          So it is good to prepare, and point out the danger.

          And speaking to our politicians does nothing, they know the threat of white nationalism more than any of us.

          The only thing that changes the tragic trajectory of civil guerilla war we are chugging towards is for the right to publicly and viciously throw off the extremists that have taken over their party.

          We cannot do that, no amount of talking to our politicians will give them the 2/3rds majority needed to impeach and convict all the fucknuggets complicit in jan6.

          And I have literally no words to say to any repugnicunt to try and convince them to do it.

          Either they do it on their own, or at some point we will get an authoritarian that isn’t as stupid as drumpfh.

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      The Brits didn’t defeat Mosley and his fascism with denouncements.

      In October 1937 in Liverpool, he was knocked unconscious by two stones thrown by crowd members after he delivered a fascist salute to 8,000 people from the top of a van in Walton.

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        The idiots in the news story are a small group of masked thugs that don’t even want to be identified. So they would be far easier to denounce with words and counter protest.

        Mosley was an open political leader that plastered his name everywhere and led mass public rallies that had a sizeable following. He also had a lot of political support and funding by wealthy backers who believed in this movement. Even the royal family had deep and sympathetic connections to fascist and far right ideology. At the point in history at the height of his movement … there was not much else to do than to throw a stone at his face to stop him from going further.

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            Then you would be no better than them

            100 people denouncing 10 people is far more convincing than 1 person using violence against 10 opponents because those ten people now have the excuse to use more violence to promote their movement.

            Start with education, awareness, promotion, public support and campaigning against these movements … violence only comes when there are no more options left and there is no longer anything else to lose.

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              Nice pontificating. I don’t disagree. I’m glad you still have that luxury. I’ll find a nice brick and save it for you if the shit hits the fan.

              Edit: See ya in 7 months.

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    I miss when Nazis weren’t such cowards they covered their faces. How else are we supposed to ostracize them from society.

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      Yo that’s kinda demeaning to people without dicks.

      They’re spineless and witless and heartless and brainless and feckless. But the presence or lack of a dick has no bearing on character.

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        Because they identify as male, and yet they may as well not have a dick, for all the value they bring to society.

        Most people without dicks are not losers.

        Granted, I accept that there is a subset of people who do not have a dick and are also losers, and most of these people do not deserve to be associated with these scum.

        However, ultimately, the purpose of my comment was quite clearly not to insult those people, but to dig into the core of what the people in the march hold valuable and insult them.

        If you’re not a member of the march, you’re not a dickless loser. However, if you are in the march, then in reality you are a dickless loser because neither you nor your penis (or lack thereof) has no value to society.


        I don’t think there were any women in this march.