Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public – including Epstein’s victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates.
Well, this tells us that we probably won’t see any notable people in the release then…
“Anyone not powerful, rich or politically-connected enough to scrub their names from the record will be shown.”
This is 100% going to fuck all of the victims and none of the perpetrators.
Until another judge says it will stay sealed.
Why would a judge say that? Like are they defending the corrupt ? Genuinely curious
Uh-oh, we bout to have a dead judge!
It’s sad that every post the top level comments are these low effort posts. I was really hoping posters like you would just stay with reddit.
If we can’t joke about serious current events in our nerdy little federated corner of the internet, then what is life even for?
Producing value for the ruling class, idiot.
Dang it, you caught me Lemmying at work again!
At least you’re a useful idiot!
It is those useless idiots that really have a hard go of it.
You can do it, that doesn’t mean people have to like it.
I guess I just find it sad that low effort infinitely recycled jokes are what make it to the top, when we can actually have a decent discussion about something.
The reason they make it to the top is precisely because they are low-effort and infinitely recycled. Many different users think of them as a response, then see the comment and upvote it because “same”. It’s not that the joke is good or not, it’s that I thought of it and it was already there, so have an upvote.
If you want a decent discussion about something, maybe replying to a low-effort joke response isn’t the way to go about it. The great thing about the Fediverse is that you yourself choose what to interact with and what to ignore. If you are interacting with something you’d rather ignore, maybe that’s something to ponder on a personal level.
My problem is that it just begets more low effort posts; if people see that by making these low level comments, they are going to be rewarded with attention, then it just encourages more of that.
Additionally, on top of that, if people see that putting effort into posting thoughtful responses doesn’t get the same reward, they are less likely to do so.
Ive seen it happen numerous times on reddit where small niche subs were originally very good with mostly high quality conversations and discussions, but eventually those original people got crowded out by the influx of low level posts, and many of the people simple left (it was kind of like how the universe or TrueReddit subs came about).
I get there isn’t much to be done about it, or at least I can’t think of it, but I still think it’s important to bemoan something that is actually bad for high quality discussions.
something that is actually bad for high quality discussions
This is purely a matter of opinion, proven by the fact that, not only do I have no issue with a joke comment thrown around in serious posts, I prefer the minor chuckle as a break from the soul-crushing reality that is everyday news.
I’ll, once gain, point to the fact that you are the one choosing to engage these comments. It takes more effort to downvote, and immensely more effort to type out a reply, than it does to just scroll on by. When I walk into my local 7-11 to get down on a Coke-Banana Slurpee and some Takis, I don’t start bitching and moaning about the fake penis enlargement pills and trucker speed I see along the way. I head to what I’m interested in, pay the man, and make like a baby.
The world is full of shit I don’t want to deal with and would rather not see, but I don’t control the rest of the world. Learn how to make peace with that and you’ll be a lot happier.
I’ll, once gain, point to the fact that you are the one choosing to engage these comments.
Already addressed, I think it brings down the level of discussion overall, which you just handwaved away as opinion. But if it’s my opinion, then shouldn’t I speak up? And if you disagree with the reason I’m posting, shouldn’t you take your own advice and simply move on rather than trying to correct me?
Dude you’re at a circus crying about all the clowns.
I come here for both, and I tend to find both.
I get what you’re saying, and if it’s a matter of the low effort snarky/funny stuff rising to the top because of upvotes, that’s probably a systemic problem. Short quick posts will have more people read them to completion, so that probably makes upvotes more likely.
However, I bet thoughtful comments also get rewarded with further discussion in replies.
, I bet thoughtful comments also get rewarded with further discussion in replies.
If they agree with the general opinion, sure they won’t get buried, but you still have to wade through the shit to get to them.
But if it’s a dissenting opinion, even if it makes logical sense, or even just has the facts straight, it will get buried.
I just miss the days that the internet wasn’t just snarky low effort jokes and memes and you could actually find decent discussions.
They are. In other comments. Some comments are just bad jokes. You can scroll past if they upset you.
God forbid the guy blocks users so he doesn’t see “low effort” comments.
It’s sad that every thread at some point has these low effort complaints. I was really hoping you would just stop being boring as hell.
I agree with him, though.
Some of you people are reddit-brained beyond repair.
You people? The fuck do you mean you people? Were you born out the arsehole of Christ himself? Get the fuck outta here with your holier than thou self righteousness. This is a free and open public forum. Don’t like it? Fuck off elsewhere. Poop
I rest my case.
Okay
You don’t have a “case,” you have an opinion that amounts to no-true-Scotsman. If any of these posts are “Reddit brained,” but yours is somehow not, then “Reddit brained” is an empty concept you fill with whatever you don’t like. Your post, like the ones you’re criticizing, is short, low-effort, unfriendly, critical, and contributes nothing to the discussion. You’re just expressing the opinion that you’re unhappy - and, as far as I can tell, no one asked. If you’re allowed to post your irrelevant, negative opinion, then why aren’t they?
If you don’t like other people, with different motives, interests, and moods, joining your social media platforms, I have bad news.
Although, this is the fediverse - you could make your own server and just defederate every time you’re about to make a post like you did here. The rest of us would be grateful to see less toxicity around here.
Don’t be obtuse, you know exactly what they meant: low effort “quippy,” dare I say it: Whedon-esque comments, that you can predict before even opening the comments.
Okay.
I agree with him, though. It was much better on Nibiru watching human gladiators fighting Mi-Go in the death pit.
Thank you for your thoughtful contribution in furthering this conversation, and your exemplary interpersonal skills.
It’s exactly the kind of cynical doomerism I was looking to get away from
It is low effort, but, it’s a likely outcome. Not every comment needs to be a masterful literary work to be relevant.
it’s a likely outcome.
Lol
Also lol @ the idea that there is nothing between these low effort posts and masterful literary work.
Enjoy myopia I guess? Look, it might not be true, but it’s not so far fetched either. Her father appears to be mossad. I don’t know. With more, actual info, we could draw a factual conclusion. I’m not going to blinker myself though for something that’s totally a viable outcome.
Look, it might not be true,
No, almost certainly won’t be true.
And if you think it’s even remotely likely that this will happen, it’s not me being being myopic.
Just totally impossible huh? OK.
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Literally nothing in between low-effort recycled jokes and academic level discussions. But you’re still right, I should probably create an instance.
I might join you. I know some k8s and shit, if you need a hand admin-ing. Actually since my instance is likely federating with threads, I was looking at pulling my account and donation eventually anyway.
I hope that judge is well protected and this isn’t an edited list of people.
Noam Chomsky once said that his dealings and business with Epstein were none of our business and we should fuck off. I hope we get to find out more about his and other rich people’s dealings with Epstein
Chomsky lost his mind decades ago, he’s for sure on the list and would probably justify it in some pseudoscientific bs way.
Meanwhile advocating for Ukraine to just lay down and die
Source?
“What was known about Jeffrey Epstein was that he had been convicted of a crime and had served his sentence,” Chomsky told the Journal about his meetings. "According to U.S. laws and norms, that yields a clean slate.
That’s not a bad argument. He said the discussed politics and philosophy. Nothing suggests that there was any minors involved.
I don’t see why he wouldn’t want that to be public knowledge. What Epstein did was so awful you really would want to clear your name if you had any connection to the man.
I agree with you, but also I have seen many times how trigger-happy internet crowd may be. Maybe he thinks that nobody will read an explanation past the first word. Or maybe he’s guilty of abuses, we’ll hopefully see
It is freaken Chomsky. Have you heard his name one time? Congratulations, you now have an opinion about him. And said opinion is very very extreme.
The man is either an intellectual titan in a wide variety of fields and the one consistent voice of morality for +60 years or batshit insane impractical plagiarism commiting fraud who thinks the best thing western civilization can do is suicide while leaving an apology note. Nothing in between.
Wow, yeah, I only heard part of it, think I should go read a bit
I don’t see why he wouldn’t want that to be public knowledge. What Epstein did was so awful you really would want to clear your name if you had any connection to the man.
Richard Stallman got cancelled for trying to clear Marvin Minsky’s name. Not only had Minsky himself not actually done anything wrong, but Stallman wasn’t even connected to Epstein except in a “six degrees of Kevin Bacon” sort of way. Yet he got kicked off the Free Software Foundation board for it anyway (at least until ‘truth got its boots on’ and folks came to their senses and reinstated him).
That’s how absolutely radioactive this shit is.
Richard Stallman got “cancelled” because he was sexually harassing everybody with boobs and walking on two legs and had been for decades according to people who dealt with him at work and conferences. Oh I am sorry were you hoping I didn’t know about that?
You’re not seriously citing Stallman as someone who should be defended, are you?
https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html
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Oh noes, somebody from a different race than mine, he must be bad!
Go get fucked by an umbrella
Judging an entire race… Are you from the past?
Why don’t you enlighten us as to what significance that has instead of dogwhistling
January 1 - This is just the emotionally charged distraction. Keep watchful for the event that needs to go under the radar. A change in laws or policy, a new war, or anything that is meant to erode people’s privacy, security or freedom. The US has a history of implementing undesirable changes during holiday periods when there’s little opposition. Possibly something like this;
https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-they-must-defeat-hpsci-s-horrific-surveillance-bill
Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is set to expire on December 31, 2023
It will be real interesting to see who files a motion objecting to the unsealing and appeals it to a higher court.
PLEASE
they’ll shriek
WON’T ANYONE THINK OF THE VICTIMS
How come reddit/Lemmy (but especially reddit) seems so obsessed with Epstein? No judgement, just curious
The guy kept a list of billionaires he was serving minor sex-traffic victims too.
It’d be great if that list were to become public so there could maybe be some justice for the victims and some punishment to deter tomorrow’s billionaire’s from following suit.
It be great it despite the blatant cover-up of Epstein’s murder the list still became public.
It’d be great if those who felt they were above the law and commited heineous crimes found they weren’t above the law.
It’d be great to see the justice system worked
He was also almost certainly an Israeli intelligence asset. I can’t prove it, but there’s a ton of evidence for anyone who wants to look into it. I’m surprised that this is not more widely known.
I think it’s because he represents how rich powerful people live under a different set of rules and are seemingly able to get away with almost anything. Compound that with the right wing obsession with human trafficking that usually leans into conspiracy theories that both exaggerate the real issue and somehow only blames “leftist elites”. They hope the Epstein release will finally prove their wacky theorys correct.
what the fuck is an associate
noun /əˈsōsēət,əˈsōSHēət/ 1. a partner or colleague in business or at work.
oh
One who associates…
Lol now that they had enough time to tamper with them, time to “unseal” them
A bit of common sense finally?
Are “associates” and “customers” considered synonyms in legalese? If not, this list may not be as juicy as people think.
Customers pay, associates are given comps
“Sorry the cameras malfunctioned and 4 of the guards destroyed the documents then committed suicide. Nothing is to be done here.”
Something something Panama Papers…
The Panama Papers weren’t swept under a rug, you just didn’t follow news on them.
Also Epstein 100% killed himself, and unsealing this info won’t tell you anything meaningful, because predators who hide among the rich don’t fucking tell every person they meet that they’re a predator.
Conspiracy theories are never a good look on anyone.
I’m not real big on conspiracy theories.
The video being lost around the original attempt is rather suspect, but him finding something to hang himself with again… He should have been in a paper gown in a padded room. We have tons and tons of suicidal people in asylums and jail that are not given an opportunity to hang themselves.
Someone as high profile as him and with a cell mate?
I’m not saying he 100% didn’t kill himself, but It sure as hell looks like somebody went through a lot of trouble to provide him opportunity.
The hidden people on the list that makes this list so inconsequential are the same exact people with the type of reach it would need to make sure he didn’t start naming names.
He doesn’t need to name names, because they have his computers, documents, etc. This conspiracy theory is as full of holes as QAnon shit.
Yeah, no need to answer anything I point out just put your hands over your ears and tell me I’m QANON and full of shit that’ll really make your point and help your position here.
Come to think of it maybe there’s a reason you’re getting all the down votes…
I also responded to your “points”
The downvotes are just “rich people bad” shit, same as ever.
Rich people are bad
Why this list was ever sealed to begin with is beyond me.
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“What sealed documents?”
At this point it’s a single box with 3 labeled but empty manilla folders, a stack of completely random useless papers, and a spiral bound “2009 workplace ethics” manual.
