I’ve had multiple posts removed for saying that phrase. I abhor violence. The reason that I detest Israel is that they perpetrate violence against a captive people. They can fuck off, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t understand why this is labeled as advocating violence.

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    9 months ago

    Saying “fuck Israel” is blaming all Israelis for what conservative, right wing, and easily misled Israelis are doing, especially when it’s Netanyahu’s allies and administration in control. Saying “fuck Netanyahu”, or “fuck the zionists” is probably a better fit while not blaming those Israelis that are appalled at the actions of their government and are being jailed for protesting the war.

    Sweeping generalizations always come off as “racist”, “anti-Semitic”, or whatever else fits the content, no single people are a monolith, people are individuals with individuals ideas and stances, and not all of them good or acceptable, so it’s important to emphasize critical thinking and target your anger at those responsible for things, like Netanyahu and Hamas, since the problem isn’t all Jews, and the problem isn’t all Gazan’s/Palestinians/Arabs.

    At the end of the day Hamas leadership gave their terrorists the go ahead for October 7th, just like Netanyahu is allowing the army he controls to indiscriminately kill people, so blame those pieces of shit, and the select folks that blindly support and enable them.

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      9 months ago

      Ive made similar arguments when people have said “fuck America” or whatever.

      But in the end, the generalism is meant to be applied to the respectve govt, not to the entire population.

      In the end, OP is right for being mad about their posts being removed.

      Additionally, id say theres a non-zero amount of people in Israel who ARENT Jewish, which means saying “fuck Israel” and thinking its anti-semetic is kinda fucking stupid.

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      9 months ago

      Israel is the state, Israelis are the people. Saying “fuck Israel” is blaming the state, not the people.

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      9 months ago

      Just out of curiosity, would you feel the same way when people say “fuck Russia”, or would you understand that they’re saying “fuck the Russian government/Putin” and not “all Russians are monsters”?

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        9 months ago

        I do feel the same way about “fuck Russia”, the problem is Putin, his allies, and his supporters, I’m not sure if this is just an attempt to whataboutism me, but it’s important to remember to be objective about these things, especially when prior to 2014 things seemed to he going pretty well between the US and Ruzzia.