Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.
I’ve blocked all the nazis trying to engage with me saying nazis aren’t bad so I’ll just say this in a TLC and block more nazis when they reply -
It’s funny that all the people calling ME evil for not considering the nuances of various people’s nazi ideology… Are the same people who think women should die for wearing jeans, and that people should die for having a different religion, or die for not sharing a skin tone…
Nazis are nazis are nazis. If your world view was so different, spoilers, you wouldn’t identify with nazis. 🤷
FUCK NAZIS.
Your right to not tolerate intolerance.
There are people siding with Nazis and reporting this post for doxxing, lol
So wild that this is a hot take these days
I like you!
I like you, buddy.
Make Nazis Windchimes Again.
Also, just to see if they have even the tiniest bit of plausible deniability, I checked out Midgard’s shop. There’s overtly white supremacist shit ALL OVER the place.
It’s not like these people accidentally supported a band with reprehensible beliefs behind the scenes. It’s not like a totally normal music shop turned out to be a front for white supremacists. There’s note even any serious argument about “separating art from the artist.” The leak includes what people bought, and you can tell when someone bought overtly white supremacist music. And even if they didn’t, and the band or album name doesn’t give anything away, what’s it doing at the Nazi store? Why isn’t it streaming, or on Bandcamp, or self-distributed? These customers still had to know there’s an obscure Nazis music store, what it’s called and where to find it, confirm that it’s a Nazi store the moment they went there, and still give them money and their address to place a mail order. Oh, some of them aren’t native English speakers? Then that just makes it even more damning that they did all this with a language barrier in place!
Plus, just look at the apologists in this thread. They’re fucking cowards. They can’t just come out with their beliefs, so they’re just asking questions, deflecting from the topic. One is concern trolling for the fundamental humanity of literal Nazis, despite the fact that the main fucking problem with Nazis is that they considered marginalized groups subhuman. Where’s the concern there? Why the focus on the people who oppose Nazis rather than the Nazis themselves? Another one could barely resist giving the game away by saying they’ve been called a Nazi before because of their anti-immigrant positions.
The people defending this shop and its customers aren’t serious people. They’re dishonest, cowardly, and stupid.
Check Talia Levin’s book, Culture Warlords. She spent a year undercover online as a far-right personality and wrote about the encounters she experienced. It was a rough time, clearly. She’s in the punch-a-nazi camp and reading her book landed me there at the end.
I would advise to call them Neo-Nazis instead of Nazis. Most Nazis are dead and Neo-Nazis are given too much distraction by giving them this easy excuse.
That’s such a stupid fucking argument to nit pick it’s almost absurd.
Nazis is as Nazis does. Adding a prefix changes nothing.
You’re relativising Nazis this way and are also making it way too easy to not take you serious.
oh no, the fucking Nazis don’t take us seriously, we’re so screwed
-nobody
Says the dude downplaying titles.
You remind me of one of my friends who uses the word nazi so much it’s basically lost all its weight
Imagine getting mad at someone saying Nazis are bad. I wouldn’t be caught dead getting upset that someone was saying Nazis are bad, lmao
What annoys me is throwing the word around like it’s nothing, dude calls pretty much anyone a nazi lol
For example, I was called a nazi for saying maybe Canada is taking too many immigrants at once
Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn’t dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.
Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word “Nazi” is thrown around like it’s nothing is actually overblown, and usually it’s correctly thrown.
Maybe my friends are dumb but the far left ones love using the word whenever possible
Usually the far left calls everyone a liberal, it’s liberals that call conservatives Nazis. The far left usually calls actual fascists Nazis.
Yeah I’m economically far left but socially I lean a little further right, which has gotten me called a nazi before, which is ridiculous if you actually know me haha
You remind me of apologists who argue somebody can’t be a nazi even though they spout the ideology and use the language, because they aren’t on record saying “I heart Hitler” three times in a mirror.
I dunno someone called me a nazi recently at my university for wearing a burzum shirt for example lol
Word is definitely getting thrown around a lot these days
It’s not coincidence, there’s alot more nazis running around on some nazi shit. By the way in case you didn’t know, while I don’t recall it coming up in the music (I have a Burzum CD around here somewhere) but - Burzum/Varg was increasingly on some nazi/white nationalist shit, so it’s not some “fuckin LiBrUlZ” conspiracy to call everybody a nazi, you were just wearing a shirt associated with nazi shit. 🤷
I know who varg is. It’s impossible to listen to black metal and entirely avoid this kind of thing. I was wearing a hvis lyset tar oss shirt, there are no such themes on the album, and I bought the shirt way before varg went full nazi on YouTube (it’s counterfeit anyway so he got nothing from me)
The only black metal I avoid are ones where nazi themes are explicitly in the lyrics
Do digging on the people behind any black metal band and you’ll probably find something similar, it’s extreme music made by extreme people
You’re missing the point - you weren’t called a nazi cause you were wearing a sccarryy black metal tee. You were called a nazi for wearing a nazi’s tee.
Whatevs, you’ve made it abundantly clear that you’re being intentionally obtuse in defense of nazis so I’m over it. Bye Felicia.
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Nazis are obviously bad, but this comment makes me think that anyone you don’t like/like their comments/replies, you consider a Nazi?
I think people who defend nazis, their right to believe in nazi ideology, and argue that nazis are overall fine people are nazis or nazi apologists which are equally unwelcome in my circles and consciousness. Sorry, I’m not going to feel bad for hurting nazi feelings.
You can reply to this and “um actually” all you want about nazis, but if you’re pro-nazi, I’m gonna block you. Easy peasy.
Gotta do my part and never block anybody so I can advocate for e.g. defederating nazinstances.
It ain’t much, but…
The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Gotta love how tech illiterate fascists are.
Shhh, Don’t let them in on the secret.
I don’t know shit about this band/this type of music… is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?
Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn’t be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.
if you didn’t know about Pantera
Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.
Thankfully there’s no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I’ve had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I’m into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.
Yep. Lot of bands you’d like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad
Extreme music is made by extreme people
This makes me incredibly sad.
Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. “Taught when we’re young to hate one another, it’s time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose”
I always thought that song especially was saying “we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate.” I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.
Damn it. Why did you have to make me aware of this? :/ I love Pantera.
You think you have problems?!
I used to be a big Lostprophets fan… 😭
If you don’t know about this one already, do yourself a favor and don’t Google it.
Sounds like a call for googling
huge mistake
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Phil Anselmo did a nazi salute. This made me sad. But the band didn’t market themselves as nazis or write songs that praised nazism or overt racism. I wouldn’t mind if someone knew that I own all their albums (except the one where they were apparently a hair band; I never saw that in stores when I was buying CDs). They didn’t make nazi music, so I can defend it.
I won’t send money their way because of the nazi salute. That I can also defend.
Oh yeah, I’m not trying to blame a fan base over the actions of a group/artist. I also don’t know what type of music the original post is about. Maybe they do make music thats like “we are Nazis and so are you if you sre listening” and then I’d probably be understanding of consequences of being fans.
But that Nazi salute is definitely not the only documented racism by Pantera members, and I’m sure you know that.
That doesn’t make their fans racist imo
Ya love to see it.
Did you have a follow up question or was my explanation of what doxxing is sufficient?
Why do you think nazis getting doxxed is a reason to report it? Are you under the impression we care about nazis being doxxed here?
According to the article, activists are already using the information to further their research. So, it’s not out of the question that innocent people’s information was released after buying material from this site for research. Doxxing is also not legal in every jurisdiction, which can lead to legal repercussions for the doxxer and the platform that hosts the information. It also encourages retaliation, which potentially puts the community at risk.
A report is just that, a report. I sent a heads up that this post contained doxxed information. If the mod team is not concerned by it, it’s obviously within your power to ignore my report. If you needed more information, it would have been easy to send a PM rather than trying to make some kind of statement by asking publicly.
Is someone apologizing for nazis? Aww, poor little guy.
I didn’t apologize for anyone
I found another one by posting this to Facebook
I live in the larger city right next to the town/urban area where the Midgård company is located. I had only vaguely heard about them before and didn’t know where they operated from. I found a disturbing amount of people living very close to me (geographically) that are in the register. I’ll be sure to spread this and hope to get them to be known nazis by most people around here. Absolute filth… I haven’t been able to go through the whole list yet, but I both really hope and really hope not to find someone I know on it. It would be nice to blow up the life of someone like this, but at the same time, it would suck to find out that it’s someone you know. I’m very left leaning, and so are most people in my life, and in this country, my city and especially my part of the city in general, but it’s of course impossible to really know stuff like this about everyone you come in contact with.
Going to follow this closely and really wish to see some nazi fucks get found out by others around them and have consequences rain down on their pathetic lives.
If you downvoted this comment, you’re a fucking piece of shit. I hope your name is in this list or another and that you get found out and shamed.
Yo if you’re a nazi you’ve already accepted being a complete piece of shit so you can simply fuck off and die
Surely the rest of us can assist them
Man, far right websites all seem to have shit infosec as a common thread along with racism and other assorted bigotry.
This is because all the infosec professionals are left-wing furries. We run the Internet. You cannot escape us, you cannot out-hack us.
meow meow
UwU
Thank you for your service. Do you take skritches for payment?
As soon as I finish my degree lol.
Good fluff🥰
There’s actually a simple explanation for that. Much like the “conservative/christian entertainment” industry the alt-tech movement is primarily composed of failures and hacks who couldn’t cut it in the mainstream field.
It’s also because right-wing extremism goes unpunished while left-wing extremism gets you shot in the head.
A smart racist is an oxymoron.
This includes their knowledge about security.
A smart racist would have to be stupid in such a specific kind of way that it would be like a zyzygy of all the stars in the sky aligning at the same time.
Syzygy - a roughly straight-line configuration of three or more celestial bodies in a gravitational system.
Thanks for the new word!
Pleasure! It’s a really cool word
Syzygy… Are you sure that’s not a polish soccer goalkeeper?
Anti-intellectual people being incompetent? Say it ain’t so!
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All websites have shit infosec. It’s not a problem confined to the far right.
This is the kind of doxxing I can get behind.
AFA Sweden stands för Antifascistiskt Aktion, or Antifascist Action. Not Stockholm based as they claim, there are many groups.
Great job in leaning Midgard, they also regularly doxx Swedish Nazis on their main website.
Correction: The name of the Stockholm-based group is AFA Sweden, not AFA Stockholm.
They noticed :)
So are they “Neo-Nazi music” fans or Neo-Nazis who are music fans?
They are Neo (from the Matrix) who are Nazi Music fans
Is one Nazi better than the other?
Oscar Schindler existed, so yes.
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Ha, good!
Too bad you can’t see who downvoted you, too… Need that leaked, as well.
Hey fascist lurkers: fuck everything about your fascist ideology. Stop being slaves to your overlords and fucking learn a thing.
You can think for yourselves, I promise. It may be hard and uncomfortable at first, but you’ll like yourself a lot more if you just put in a small bit of effort. You’re better than this.
You can. Sort of.
Lemmy does not provide it via the UI. But it does provide the info via federation. If you set up your own instance, other instances will happily share this info with you. The information is inconvenient to access, but not hidden or private.
Well that’s a terrifying prospect if you have any sort of opinion outside of the groupthink.
Wait till you figure out how much easier it is for the NSA Vaccum cleaner to spy on every single federated connection.
Hey, I just downvoted you.
Edit: Nevermind, getting a network error.
Edit: It will let me upvote you. Interesting.
Feature for me, bug for you… :)
Is there any way to verify the claim or does it rest on AFA’s credibility?
People have posted links to the database in this discussion.
I think they mean verify that it came from that site and isn’t just a list of random people
Right
Reminder, Lemmy Kilmister collected nazi memorabilia. It might not be as deep as you think. Half the time metal with neo nazi themes just sounds like a bunch of dinosaures yelling.
There’s a difference between Motorhead, the Sex Pistols, and someone like Slayer who all used Nazi imagery to provoke in a problematic way and bands that claim to be part of the National Socialist Black Metal scene. I mean… I can’t understand the lyrics on an Absurd record without the lyric sheet, but the giant blank sun in their artwork is a dead giveaway
Just searched “band absurd” and found artwork with a sonnenrad. Fuck Absurd.
Sorry, are you saying that Lemmy probably was into Nazis beyond collecting their stuff or that that’s as far as his interests went?
No he wasn’t, Gene Simmons even got into a big fight with him about it.
