Did… did I just slide to a parallel universe? Do I get to meet Jerry O’Connell? What the hell is going on?!
I’ve been hate listening to his podcast. A lot of what he says would be considered pretty eft leaning. But then a lot of it is conspiracy minded. Honestly Lauren to his podcast, it’s pretty unbearable, but he hates the elites as much as anyone here. It probably goes some way to understanding why trump won
But he and Trump are elites. Especially Trump. You really can’t get much more elite than someone who owns a skyscraper in Manhattan with his name on it.
So is everyone they’re competing against…
Who exactly do you think they’re competing against? They won the election. They control all three branches of government. They’re set to turn America into a one-party state.
Bannon is from an ultra-conservative Irish-heritage working class family. He has always - at least in public - been anti-elitist, although of course he was an investment banker for years
Ok so he’s either a very complex and deep person, or a fucking liar.
Elite is a conceptual category. He’s a human being like the rest of us and a small ornament on the tree of life.
I would say “has his name on the skyscraper he owns in one of the richest cities in the world and is president of the United States” would fit most people’s concept of “elite.” I’m not sure who wouldn’t consider that person to be elite. You don’t think the word is being used in a complementary sense, do you?
He’s made a big deal before about how he’s “new” rich rather than old money, and how more established wealth looked down their noses at his gaudy lifestyle. So it’s plausible that he thinks the actual elite are another step up from where he is
And hell just froze over.
Oh snap the broken clock was right for once.
He’s talking about rich Dems / libs
he’s talking about The Jews
Given the basic implausibility of the horseshoe theory, why do so many centrist commentators insist on perpetuating it? The likely answer is that it allows those in the centre to discredit the left while disavowing their own complicity with the far right. Historically, it has been “centrist” liberals – in Spain, Chile, Brazil, and in many other countries – who have helped the far right to power, usually because they would rather have had a fascist in power than a socialist.
Today’s fascists have also been facilitated by centrists
Same place happens to have a much newer article that concludes much the same.
Horseshoe models should be scrutinised for what they put in and what they choose to leave out. They emphasise values such as individualism, free markets and moderate policies, but register few of the social inequalities, exploitation and structural violence that often accompany them.
So while the left–right spectrum isn’t perfect, bending it into a horseshoe doesn’t do much to explain the strange political bedfellows of our times.
Well maybe the theory’s wielders are wrong, but I still buy the basic premise.
The extreme left and right are slowly gravitating towards similar conclusions about who thier real enemies are… basically, billionares.
With a cabinet made of billionaires?
Yeah ok what else you want us to smoke
People realize that he’s just a propagandist saving face by playing both sides and now playing with the short attention span and memory of the idiots on the other side, right?
Props to the outlet for showing the picture of Bannon in criminal court.
I’m wondering if we’re in the process of seeing the parties flip tbh. It seems like D’s are becoming more conservative and R’s are now trying to make systemic changes. Granted it’s not a perfect flip and R-progressiveness is more like going backwards at times (abortion) but things feel weird now.
- D: Trying to maintain (aka conserve) the status quo. Haven’t been truly progressive for decades. Doesn’t seem to understand why they lost to the dumbest man alive in 2024.
- R: Got suddenly forced into populism by Trump’s surprise win and staying power. “Anti-Elites” is now their calling card. Their status quo rich politicians are all being forced out.
republicans aren’t for systemic change… they’re literally about the status quo.
Republicans do want to change the system, but only in ways that make it easier for the already wealthy to extract even more money from the rest of the country, and do it faster.
Imagine how rich a small number of people can get if those pesky consumer protection and environmental regulations are tossed in the trash.
Trump took over GOP. It’s not the same party as before.
Tariffs and deporting millions of people are both quite radical changes of the status quo. Illegals have been a fundamental part of our labor market for decades. GOP historically has been pro-illegal immigrants even if they’ve kept mostly quiet about it. It’s good for business. Reagan, the GOP quasi-religious symbol, legalized millions of illegals.
Tariffs fly in the face of established free market capitalism economics. Milton Friedman would be turning in his grave. You are artificially repressing the market through strong government regulation. Again, a radical reshaping of American policy.
I think Trump actually has a short window of action for very dramatic change. For example, if he comes out and says he believes we need universal healthcare because of the corrupt elites and whatnot, I think people will rally behind him. His popularity would jump up 20 points overnight. I think his voters are actually expecting some type of radical change.
The country is hurting and when people elect populists, it means they’re at the end of their ropes. Some of the class consciousness needs to be released with a pressure valve otherwise we’re headed for some murky and potentially ugly consequences.
People like Bannon understand this. I think they see the way the winds are blowing and want to be in a position to benefit
Trump took over GOP. It’s not the same party as before.
yeah it is; it’s still the same party of billionaires and tax cuts
Tariffs and deporting millions of people are both quite radical changes of the status quo.
lol what? tariffs and protectionism have been the policies of the republican party and conservatism forever
. For example, if he comes out and says he believes we need universal healthcare because of the corrupt elites and whatnot
And I have a bridge to sell you
lol what? tariffs and protectionism have been the policies of the republican party and conservatism forever
since Reagan it’s been the party of pro-business and free market capitalism. it wasn’t until the right wind populism that slowly started during the tea party and eventually led to Trump that we started seeing protectionism
And I have a bridge to sell you
I’m not claiming he is going to do this, I’m saying I think he has an opportunity to do it. The fundamental question is what Trump has in mind. Is his goal to just extract as much money as possible for him and his friends while keeping everything else more or less the same? Or does he have a more radical vision?
Certain individuals connected with the new Trump administration (looking at Vance and his financier Peter Thiel) have some radical beliefs in a new sort of technocratic authoritarian state. If this is really their goal, I think universal healthcare is a useful stepping stone to popular support for more radical items.
Party of hate wants to become the progressive party.
Yeah, fuck that, fuck those people.
One key thing is that the Republican party has very much now become the party of the working class. In 2024, Kamala won those making less than $30k, and more than $100k. She won the poor and the professional class, but Trump won the working class, (and I assume) the extremely wealthy.
The Democrat’s real base right now is the professional class. Those with college degrees working white collar jobs. The poor also vote more for Dems, but they vote in fewer numbers based both on their poverty and their lower than average age.
We always assumed it was the rich vs everyone else, but it need not be that way. It could easily turn out to be the rich and the working class vs. the professional class and the poor. When someone like Bannon suggests raising taxes on the “rich,” he may not mean the actual ultra-wealthy, but the professional class.
And there is a form of taxation that could be implemented to fall on the professional class the hardest - targeting the tax advantages of 401ks and IRAs. That seems the most obvious target. Just raising income taxes would have to also hit the rich, but taking away a lot of the tax benefits of retirement accounts would mostly hurt the professional class, the white collar workers with bachelors and graduate degrees. The doctors, the lawyers, the engineers, the college professors, etc. The truly wealthy don’t really rely on these accounts much, as they have limits on them that make them useless for storing tens of millions or more in. And the working class? Well if you have a household income of $60k, odds are pretty low you’re going to be maxing out your 401k contribution.
The retirement accounts seem the most likely targets of this. The poor and working class don’t usually make enough to put substantial money away in these accounts, while their asset protections are a rounding error to the wealthy. Raiding 401ks and IRAs would be a way for them to raise taxes in a way that zeros in on the Democratic electorate and hurts them the most.
We could even see a very weird political landscape where 401ks and IRAs were raided to pay for social programs like health insurance subsidies, expanded subsidies for new parents, subsidized daycare, and other social spending meant to increase birth rates. They would sell it as “raising taxes on the wealthy to give to the working class,” while they would really be raising taxes on the professional class to pay for subsidies for the working class and tax cuts for the wealthy.
The white collar college educated workers are the heart of the Democrat’s current power base. They are the most likely targets of any Republican tax increases “on the rich.” And the easiest way to raise taxes on the professional class without also taxing the wealthy is to come after the retirement accounts.
And while some might say, “that would never happen, people wouldn’t stand for it. It would be the government going back on its word, people would be infuriated!” Well, I just come back to the end of Roe v. Wade. Republicans stripped civil rights from half the country, and the electorate responded by giving them full control of government. If you can strip the civil rights from half the population, stripping retirement account benefits, which far fewer people are actually able to really take advantage of, is minor in comparison.
401k and IRA protections are just tax policy. They can be changed at any time. A law could be passed tomorrow that said, “401k accounts are being wound down. All 401k accounts must be liquidated within the next five years and transferred to regular taxable brokerage accounts. This liquidation will be taxed like any other 401k or IRA withdrawal.” Then, everyone has to liquidate their accounts, and the full balance would be taxed as regular income. Not only would this give the government more long term revenue, but it would represent a massive short-term windfall. The treasury would bring in trillions as the government effectively seizes 20-30% of every 401k account in the nation. It would be a temporary windfall, but in the years of this one-time liquidation, it would likely even allow Trump to claim he actually balanced the budget. Anyone with sense would know it was a short-term stunt, but his base isn’t known for having a lot of sense.
trump’s core voting bloc was those making 70,000 and up. that’s not the working class.
They also need to be careful with selection bias. He didn’t significantly change his numbers, the blocks she engaged successfully still voted less.
Bannon might be a piece of shit, but he knows everyone else is too, and isn’t afraid to talk bluntly and openly about it.
Something tells me that, if the white house was on fire, he’d be laughing.
I’ll tell you wants going on. He is saying the quiet part out loud.
He is admitting that conservatives have always known what would make the country better but refused to admit it, instead have always played “dumb” by claiming their free market and deregulation approach is what they honestly believe is best for the country.
I might be reading too much into it but imo this shows that decades of democrats playing fair and true to the process is why we got here. Because selfish people realized that they can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt and just ruin the government while pretending they don’t know any better.
Pretty evil, more than I actually expected from him tbh.
I’m so confused.
IKR? I didn’t think I’d ever agree with a word dude said
steve bannon says something he knows will never happen because that’s what populists do.
He’s talking about California and New York. You know, kind of like they did when Trump was president last time.
Broken clock?
Bannon is the cackling villain.
He knows the system is fucked. He knows he’s fucked. He knows you know it’s fucked and there’s no reason to hide anything.
If Starscream slicked his hair back and had a thing for Johnny Cash’s wardrobe, you’d have something close to Bannon.
…some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I hate how accurate your besmirchment of Starscream is.
Carry on.
Bannon always looks at the camera with this “lmfao, can you believe this shit?” look on his face.
No, man. I can’t!
I really can’t!
Bannon is an anger salesmen. Anger salesmen don’t sell you somene else’s anger, though – they can’t. Instead, they package up your own anger, and sell it back to you.
Bannon sees the the reaction people are habing to CEOs right now, slapping a big ol’ bow on it, and selling it back to people.
Nail on the head
