“Smart Features” in the Messages app have always been explicitly processed only on-device. This is a big change if it is different than that.
I’m betting they’ll make this opt-out, which is fucking shady as hell. And worse, I bet opting out your own messages doesn’t stop someone else that is opted in from unknowingly/unintentionally transmitting all your messages that they received. Ugh.
Or use a third party sms app. I use fossify sms from F-droid.
Then you lose RCS?
There is no open source implementation of RCS.
Oh well. I don’t care enough about it to let Google suck up my messages. Back to sms for anyone on my contact list who doesn’t want to use Signal.
Yes
What was the benifit again?
End to end encryption if both parties are using google’s implementation, delivered/read indicators, far better data limits for media, works without phone signal over data, message limits increased, free and international, fallback to sms if recipient doesn’t support it
What is RCS?
RCS is Google’s attempt to replace SMS with a protocol they can control.
Long overdue replacement to sms but unfortunately everyone has pretty much given up being a provider except Google and soon to be Apple
You could have had the answer yourself in the same time it took you to write that comment by just looking it up.
Just… why? It’s like you want to be dumb.
You could have answered them in the time it took you to write that comment.
Just… why? It’s like you want to be an asshole.
tool.
Would you answer the same way if somebody asked you a question during a real-world conversation? If not, why?
“just google it, dumbass”
So I’ve dealt with many people like you. Sometimes the point of talking on the Internet is for the other people who come along later to have easy access to information.
Sort of like I hope this will help you help others now or at least the other people who read this will have seen it and it will have had an impact on them.
Knowledge should never be hoarded. It should be friendly given to all.
It also has a neat kind of crowd-sourced verification attached to it.
If someone asks a question, and someone else gives an incorrect answer, chances are good that someone will see that and correct them. If, on the other hand, everyone goes and looks up the answer, some people might get an incorrect answer and have no one to correct it, further disseminating false information.
Obviously this isn’t perfect, and requires that the information is fact-based in the first place, but it’s interesting to think about any time you see someone correct someone else on the internet.
RCS stands for Rich Communications Suite. Its a standard developed by google to make texting more feature rich like dedicated messaging apps like WhatsApp or Telegram. Pretty much any stock android app uses it these days. If you want to know more here’s a pretty good explanation of it. https://www.androidcentral.com/what-rcs-and-why-it-important-android
Thank you for being kind! And sorry I should have attempted to Google first
You’re totally fine, forums and social media are made for the discussion and dissemination of information. Keep asking questions and keep on learning.
I bet opting out your own messages doesn’t stop someone else that is opted in from unknowingly/unintentionally transmitting all your messages
On a somewhat related note, this is my main gripe with Beeper, or Matrix bridges in general. Someone could be using it, giving encryption keys to a third party, letting them handle your chats with them, and all of this without you ever even knowing.
Well, that’s something I’ll want to turn off, though all they’ll get from me is random appointment reminders and confirmation codes.
I’ll just continue to use Textra…
Still no RCS support though, yeah? Google seems to be keeping it hostage
So if an Android user texts with an iPhone user, Bard has data on both users. Great. /s
I assume using a third party messager app (qksms for example) solves this privacy problem?
Kinda, but they’re still reading the messages you send to users who are using it
Yeah, this is specific to the Google Messages app. For now, anyway.
I think everything on a google phone goes to google.
“Start”
This alone would make me more likely to switch back to iPhone, as much as I hate the walled garden. “Just switch to a private messenger app” doesn’t really work when no one else uses them. I’ve even gotten all of my family to try Signal, but they dropped it in favor of going back to imessage. It’s extremely frustrating, far from ideal, but it is what it is.
Google reading my messages at all, even if it’s “oPt OuT”, is a complete non starter.
Why can’t you use a mix if SMS and Simplex chat or signal/molly? I guess I don’t understand the love of imessage
Also you don’t need google to use android
Having a unified app that supports your message protocol with SMS fallback is legitimately great. I’m still bitter signal canned that feature.
But it isn’t that big of a deal to just use two apps. It’s what I’ve had to do for a while now. Anyone I actually know goes into signal, and I use SMS for my boss, my dad, and various companies.
Use another messager app through FDroid. Literally, an app that handles your texts. You can change that.
Thank you for this! Didn’t know it was a thing, I’ll do that.
even signal can do sms messaging from what i understand
They dropped support for it. Not sure why. It used to be supported.
There are three big reasons why we’re removing SMS support for the Android app now: prioritizing security and privacy, ensuring people aren’t hit with unexpected messaging bills, and creating a clear and intelligible user experience for anyone sending messages on Signal.
To me, all of those reasons are BS and easily gotten around. “Unexpected messaging bills?” Have a popup that warns you that this user doesn’t have an account and is about to send a SMS, potentially incurring a cost, as an example.
They just didn’t want to maintain the code and chased some users away. https://www.signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/
They dropped it because people assumed it was secure just because they used signal, and is never secure and you can assume pretty much anyone could be reading your texts wanyway.
I think Matrix can iirc.
Hol’ up matrix can sms?
Does this affect users who doesn’t have a googpe acount and is running an old android version
Doesn’t matter if you turn it off, think about it. Who are you texting? Will they have turned it off?
Hmm good point.
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If you don’t share your number and don’t give any indication you are a person they will go away.
Its been a long time since I received spam.
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You don’t have to share your number to get spam messages - I get weekly spam texts for “Susan” (not my name), which I never interact with but have been coming from random numbers for years.
Once your # is on a list, whether you put it there or not, it never leaves.
I’m the only one who has ever had this phone no., but if I were to swap now, 99% chance I’d get a reused number, which would probably come already loaded on a million different spam lists. There’s no winning.
That webpage has an uncrossable pop-up that shows me the button to save the article. It covers up the majority of the first paragraph.
https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean/
Forgive formatting…
Google has just unveiled a game-changing AI upgrade for Android. But it has a darker side. Google’s AI will start to read and analyze your private messages, going back forever. So what does this mean for you, how do you maintain your privacy, and when does it begin.
Smartphone privacy is about to change forever
Google’s AI to begin analyzing private messages on Android smartphonesgetty
There’s understandable excitement that Google is bringing Bard to Messages. A readymade ChatGPT-like UI for a readymade user base of hundreds of millions. “It’s an AI assistant,” says Bard, “that can improve your messaging experience… from facilitating communication to enhancing creativity and providing information… it will be your personal AI assistant within your messaging app.”
But Bard will also analyze the private content of messages “to understand the context of your conversations, your tone, and your interests.” It will analyze the sentiment of your messages, “to tailor its responses to your mood and vibe.” And it will “analyze your message history with different contacts to understand your relationship dynamics… to personalize responses based on who you’re talking to.”
And so here comes the next privacy battlefield for smartphone owners still coming to terms with app permissions, privacy labels and tracking transparency, and with all those voice AI assistant eavesdropping scandals still fresh in the memory. Google’s challenge will be convincing users that this doesn’t open the door to the same kind of privacy nightmares we’ve seen before, where user content and AI platforms meet.
There will be another, less contentious privacy issue with your Messages requests to Bard. These will be sent to the cloud for processing, used for training and maybe seen by humans—albeit anonymized. This data will be stored for 18-months, and will persist for a few days even if you disable the AI, albeit manual deletion is available. MORE FOR YOU Trustworthy AI: String Of AI Fails Show Self-Regulation Doesn’t Work The Best Record Players For Beginners To Spin Vinyl Music The Technological Marvel Behind A Real Bug s Life MORE FROM FORBESGoogle Issues New Incognito Guidance For Chrome Users By Zak Doffman
Such requests fall outside Google Messages newly default end-to-end encryption—you’re literally messaging Google itself. While this is non-contentious, it’s worth bearing in mind. Just as with all generative AI chatbots, including ChatGPT, you need to assume anything you ask is non-private and could come back to haunt you.
But message analysis is different. This is content that does (now) fall inside that end-to-end encryption shield, in a world where such private messaging is the new normal. Here the push should be for on-device AI analysis, with data never leaving your phone, rather than content uploaded to the cloud, where more processing can be put to work.
This is where the Android Vs iPhone battlefield may well come into play. Historically, Apple has been much stronger when it comes to on-device analysis than Google, which has historically defaulted to the cloud to analyze user content.
Unsurprisingly, Apple’s own moves to bring generative AI to iPhone users will take that approach—on-device analysis as the default when it comes to user content, albeit with a carve-out for its request architecture. And there’s building excitement as to what might be on offer with this fall’s iOS 18.
“Apple is quietly increasing its capabilities,” The FT reported this week, “to bring AI to its next generation of iPhones… Apple’s goal appears to be operating generative AI through mobile devices, to allow AI chatbots and apps to run on the phone’s own hardware and software rather than be powered by cloud services in data centres.”
For its part, Bard says that “Google has assured that all Bard analysis would happen on your device, meaning your messages wouldn’t be sent to any servers. Additionally, you would have complete control over what data Bard analyzes and how it uses it.”
You will have to judge whether this gives you comfort enough to let Bard loose on your private content. A word of caution. There’s a difference between what can’t be done, such as breaching end-to-end encryption, and what isn’t being done, such as policies as to where content analysis takes place. I would urge strong caution on opening up your content too freely, unless and until we have seen proper safeguards.
Bard agrees. “While Google assures on-device analysis,” it says, “any data accessed by Bard is technically collected, even temporarily. Concerns arise about potential leaks, misuse, or hidden data sharing practices. The extent of Bard’s analysis and how it uses your data should be transparent. Users deserve granular control over what data is analyzed, for what purposes, and how long it’s stored.” MORE FROM FORBESHow To Change Your Google Maps Settings After Street View Warning By Zak Doffman
Bard also warns that such data analysis might bias its results. “AI algorithms can perpetuate biases present in the data they’re trained on. Analyzing messages could lead to unintended profiling based on language, demographics, or social circles.”
This integration of generative AI chat and messaging will transform texting platforms forever, it will quickly open up a new competitive angle between Google, Apple and Meta, whose smartphone ecosystems and apps run our lives.
“While an exact date is still unknown,” Bard says, “all signs point towards Bard’s arrival in Google Messages sometime in 2024. It could be a matter of weeks or months, but it’s definitely coming.” Meanwhile, what we’ve seen thus far remains buried deep inside a beta release and subject to change before release.
When it is live, think carefully before you unlock your Messages privacy settings. “Ultimately,” says Bard, “the decision of whether to use message analysis rests with you. Carefully weigh the potential benefits against the privacy concerns and make an informed choice based on your own comfort level and expectations.”
The analysis of your message history isn’t the only word of caution here. This deployment of Bard is just part of the shift from browser-based to directed search, and you will need to be increasingly cautious as to the quality of the results you’re being given. Bard isn’t a chat with a friend. It’s a UI sitting across the world’s most powerful and valuable advertising and tracking machine.
On which note, Bard left me with a final thought that might be better directed at its creators than its users: “Remember, you have the right to demand clarity, control, and responsible AI development from the companies you trust with your data.”
We need an antitrust law that defines a monopoly by size/revenue of company statically by percent of US GDP, US wealth, or revenue in a particular industry.
Including parent/subsidiary companies
Yes.
Thank you very much for posting this here! Good on you for getting the word out on this.
Okay but I don’t want AI. Any AI.
For this specifically, sure.
For everything? I don’t agree.
I dont want current gen BS AI which appears to be being used for like 92.4% evil
I do want AGI tho pls. ASAP.
Humans have fucked it all up and we deserve to be replaced by our successor species.
I’d much rather have AGI in control than politicians and billionaires.
No you only hear about the evil shit so your meter is heavily skewed and you’re just fucking doomer posting.
Took me 3 seconds to find how invaluable AI is for doing good. https://www.ibm.com/topics/artificial-intelligence-medicine
Not all AI is bad. In the healthcare sector it could improve decision-making, produce personalised treatment plans, and so forth.
Obviously, the healthcare professionals will have final say, but it’s a good tool to have. AI will not replace them. Though it will streamline cumbersome processes.
I am all for AI as long as it’s used in a non-dystopian manner.
produce personalised treatment plans
Isn’t that what the doctor is already supposed to be doing? Looking at our history, charts, treatment attempts and customizing? Because if not I could just WebMD and pay a doc to write a scrip.
Yes, but doctors aren’t very good at it.
They should be, though.
I agree, but I’m not going to hold my breath over that happening.
There are a lot of things doctors record in evaluations, and they feed these AIs this information and instead of these AIs spitting out a “diagnosis” they calculate risk of harm vs risk of further investigation.
In things like pediatrics, this reduces the need for unpleasant and dangerous procedures - a CT scan impacts a 6 year old way more than a 30 year old.
AI is extremely useful for problem domains with a ton of input, medicine being one. Doctors can only do so much and rely on algorithms just like the AI does. The AI has the benefit of being able to do it a fuckload faster, more accurately, and compare it to more relevant things.
Don’t confuse it with generative AI. this is a very different system than that.
There are already talks of military use, reading all your texts, eliminating jobs with no plan to support those who lost them, AI driven cars killing people, taking all creative work from humans and leaving the menial tasks…that’s nowhere near a complete list and it’s already dystopian.
The thing is, when private companies are the ones that hold the tech and monetize it, shit is going to get dystopian before you can say “artichoke.” Capitalism is dystopian. Late stage capitalism even more so. And we are fast approaching a new frontier in which these same evil tech companies will wield this unbelievable power. I get it. There are good uses. But when the end goal is profit, our best interest comes second, if not last.
It’s a tool like anything else. It’ll be used for everything like anything else. It cannot be stopped. All we can hope for are tools to mitigate the damage and applications to outweigh what bad it’s capable of. Trying to slow it down is like trying to stop a flood with buckets. Build a boat, it will only keep rising.
AI is going to be used to deny care and entrench racism in medicine.
It’s insane to think anything else might happen.
Maybe I’m just old and stuck in my ways, but I don’t see the upside here. Why would I need Google’s AI to be able to tell the tone of my messages and respond appropriately. They’re my messages. People send me messages to talk to me. In what world do I want to remove myself from that process?
If my wife texts me and says “when are you going to be home from work?” I don’t want an AI looking at my chat history and making a guess. I want to tell her what I have going on right now and respond. If a friend asks me if I wanna hang out this weekend, I don’t want AI checking my calendar and seeing I’m free and then agreeing to plans. I want to think about it and come to a decision myself.
Can someone smarter than me point to an actual good use case for this?
The AI isn’t really for you; if it works for you, great. If not, it’s more training data. Remember you’re not the customer.
You know those people who want send one text, but they use the enter key as punctuation so it arrives as 37 texts?
You know
Something like
This?
Maybe
Well
For some people
It’s not this bad
But I’m sure we all have that
ONE
Person
Who does something like this.
AI can summarize all those text messages and tell you wtf they actually want in one single message and one single notification! (Hypothetically, lol)
Suppressing repeated notifications has been a thing since messaging has been a thing. If your service doesn’t offer it, find a better one. Also, this is a hypothetical, and a bad one. Why would you not simply read the texts?
Some scenarios are useful, but the AI has to read it all to find that. It just need to know as much as possible in order to build a profile.
The only problem is that it is not limited to only you that can read the profile. You have no control of the data is stored.
this is almost like when people traded baubles for valuable things to unknowing natives. corporations make these inane features and expect us to pay for them by giving them all our information. They dont bother to even ask, just assume we are ok with it by having all this crap on by default.
Resistance is futile.
Here the push should be for on-device AI analysis, with data never leaving your phone…
But then they couldn’t spy on you or charge extra for this “cloud service” whenever they decide to.
Report this post. It does not belong here. We should not be part of this spread of the misinformation. Bard is NOT an information source.
The post title should read “Forbes uses AI to write B.S articles to scare people and get clicks”.
Public service announcement: this article seems to be written like their only source was asking Bard some questions. If you trust Bard enough to tell you Google’s plans, you may as well be asking it when the second coming is happening, because it’ll be just as confident when it hallucinates that answer too.
Unbelievable. If you’re not running a custom ROM, get Canta set up and strip out as much Google malware as you can because this is only gonna get worse.
