• jagged_circle@feddit.nl
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    7 days ago

    23 percent of respondents said Hitler was a “good person or an equally good and bad person” or “a bad person who did some good things,” data from YouGov showed.

    What a bullshit poll. So basically anyone who recognizes he cared for a dog is seen as liking Hitler.

    Anyone who said otherwise doesn’t understand spectrums and is generally using black and white thinking, a sign of mental illness

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Say what want- I certainly do- Hitler did at least one good thing.

    (he offed himself. )

    (now if only the OrangeWish Fuhrer would do the same.)

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        Yeah, but that can’t possibly be true - which we ofc all know it can’t be, yet what you said is a very standard thing to say.

        (Even “killing Hitler” was at that point of no good consequence - but “he” (?) would have been a hero if he killed Hitler at least one year sooner … but also max about 22 years earlier … so he completely missed the window on that “one redeeming quality” as well … so that whole thing is just a nonsense saying.)

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      There is literally nothing I can think of that would make him good in any isolated field. For a long time people held the believe that he was pro environment and animal rights. But he also killed his own dog. People also say that he had a special aura around him. That he was very charming. But those people were likely like trump supporters today. My great grandmother actually got to see him before she fled Germany. She said that there was nothing particularly interesting about him except for the way he speaks maybe.

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        The question is still to vague. Obviously all of his politics were the worst. But the way it’s phrased, you’d kinda have to agree he wasn’t ALL bad if, for example, he made a pretty tasty pasta sauce. Like. Not that it’d be relevant. It’s the vagueness of the question that I’m critiquing. Maybe I’m just having an autism moment.

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          Nah, it’s deliberately formulated so it can be pulled out of context, misrepresented and cause outrage. And it works.

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      Even without or beyond judging the person, it’s the actions, results, and consequences of those actions too.

      Which is even more complex, but important for understanding the context.

      But it’s def really important to avoid black & white (wrongful) memefication, bcs suddenly the memetic value (the “idea” that the image of Hitler represents to masses on average) is vastly corrupted & serves other purposes.

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    Hitler was nothing without the NSDAP and the fascist movement.

    There were 915,000 Germans in the Waffen-SS.


    In case you don’t remember, what we’re talking about here:

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      12 million people EXTERMINATED like they’re vermin before we get into leveling cities like bombing of Brittain or finally, the brutal war casualties themselves.

      People forgot and got gaslit. They said I was nuts for ranting about forgetting for decades.

      Don’t gotta burn the books just remove em while arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells…

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    I mean he was right about some things. Course extremely few people are wrong about those things but every now and then simple arithmetic trips people up

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    Ok, I get it, but we really should avoid looking at things/people like Adolfy as black or white - that just makes it a meme & loses actual historical/lecture value.

    With Hitler being a one-dimensional idea/meme/brand instead of a human (supported by humans with rational human causes) I’m afraid we are doomed to repeat the same cycle of mistakes.

    What I’m saying is that instead of education we have strong propaganda (after a specific date) that taught us this Hitler brand was just & only bad, like it was a spontaneous event. Instead of a full person & a nation (again full of actual people) with voting rights in irl situations.
    And propaganda isn’t free, it’s financially fueled, which means it wants something in return.

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    When you look into Hitler with a kind of Devil’s Advocate-ish no pre-bias approach, certainly some good ideas. Was for workers, abortion, prostitution, national healthcare, good minimum wages, women’s rights,… But there’s just some… just a few… a handful, if you will, that were maybe…maaaybe what could be considered psychopathic monstrously batshit insane ideas.

    But, hey, plenty of people love the Christian god, and Hitler is somewhere between that guy and a Powerpuff girl, so no surprises for me.

    The power of charisma over those apathetic to self-thinking.