followed with ‘I wasn’t aware is so important to you. I didn’t want to insult you and if you felt so, I apologize. The word fuck is one I use very often, but I’ll try to control myself around you’

Note I didn’t insult the coworker (no fuck you or fuck off), but simply said ‘fuck’ out loud due to a job error.

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    A quality apology consists of 3 things:

    • An explanation of what you did that was wrong, and why it was wrong
    • An explanation of what you’re going to try and change about yourself, to avoid the same mistake
    • An expression of remose. I.E. the word “sorry” or “apologize”.

    Your proposed apology has all those elements, so you’re already ahead of most folks. But there are a few suggestions for improvement in this thread that I think are also good.

    “if you felt so, I apologize”: I don’t read this as you apologizing for how the other person feels, since you clarified that earlier. But I think it’s fair that others might read it that way, so you’re better off eliminating the ambiguity. You’re apologizing for what you did, without considering that others might (validly) consider it inappropriate.

    “I’ll try to control myself around you”: similar deal, it should be clear that this is about you, not them. And when it comes to swearing in a workplace, it’s pretty-darn common to consider it inappropriate and unprofessional, no matter who you’re around. Maybe part of your apology needs to focus on how the behavior is unprofessional, and you simply needed help recognizing that, as you’re (possibly?) new to the professional working world.

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    Ugh, so one thing that’s annoying about apologies is that if you use the word “if” people usually think it’s a bad apology regardless of everything else you say. Try to say things like “I’m sorry that it upset you” instead of “I’m sorry if I’ve upset you.”

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    “I’ll try not to swear around you. I’m sorry. I will probably not be perfect, but I assure you I’m trying.”

    That’s enough.

    I assume you are genuinely sorry and have decided you want to behave differently around them.

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      Right? How about this: I’ll keep the swearing to a minimum if you remove all the religious bobbles from your desk and stop talking about God. You don’t have a monopoly on being offended, and respect goes both ways.

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        If you have a burning desire to say anything then “Thank you for letting me know how you feel.”

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    No, but the swearing is immaterial. That apology isn’t, so let’s break down the likely interpretation a bit.

    I didn’t want to insult you and if you felt so, I apologize.

    This is probably the most egregious part, since ‘I’m sorry you felt offended’ isn’t actually an apology, it just sounds like one. You’re not actually apologising for anything you did.

    No matter what it is you might have wanted or intended, the fact of the matter is that you did offend your coworker with your swearing.

    The word fuck is one I use very often, but I’ll try to control myself around you’

    This part is fine-ish? I’d leave off the “around you”, since it’s extraneous. They don’t need to know that you’re deliberately taking exception around them.

    I apologize. The word fuck is one I’m used to using, but I’ll try to avoid using it.

    Seems a better way of putting it. You made the error, you apologised, clean and cut. No need for unnecessary explanation that could be taken as excuse, or unnecessary exceptions that may taint your intended message.

    Maybe accompany it with an apology muffin or something.

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      I apologize. The word fuck is one I’m used to using, but I’ll try to avoid using it.

      This sounds like “I’m sorry I fucking swore around you, I’ll try to stop that shit.”

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    “Look, I’m sorry I’m such a foulmouth asshole. I’m trying my fuckin’ best, but this shit is harder than shit. I’m a cunt hair from beatin’ this shit. I’l try not to be such a cunt going forward. We good? Cool, Fuckin’ A.”

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    Comes across as a snide non-apology to me. Regardless of whether an apology or whatever is warranted, the phrasing here sounds nothing like an apology if that’s what you’re going for

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    I worked with someone like that who got their jimmies tussled by cursing. I said sorry in the moment they voiced their feelings and avoided them after that. I didn’t change how I talk or come up with a huge apology.

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    Really not a good apology.

    It comes off as looking down on the other person.

    Note I didn’t insult the coworker (no fuck you or fuck off), but simply said ‘fuck’ out loud

    So it is all just bad behaviour on your side. You can apologize for that: Your own behaviour. NOT the coworker’s interpretation of it.

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    Dunno. I’d expect grown ass adults to be able to put their personal feelings aside for the sake of professional obligations. If your coworker is gonna get upset at everything, he’s not in for a very good time.

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      I agree with the sentiment, but if we’re going to make that argument based around professionalism, I would also have to argue that it’s not very professional to use that kind of language in a work setting.

      So maybe this is a situation where both sides can grow.

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        it’s not very professional to use that kind of language in a work setting.

        That depends massively on the profession, setting, and context.

        Restaurant kitchen where something gets spilled, a trade where something unexpectedly breaks, a couple lawyers without anyone else around finding out their client is on camera admitting to the crime, etc. are all fine to say a calm ‘oh fuck’ as a reaction. Someone in an open office who yelled it because their code didn’t compile would not be acting very professional.

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        Than replacement words shouldn’t be acceptable either, you can either express your frustration or you can’t. A choose of word shouldn’t make a difference, it should be unprofessional to make an outburst at all if that’s the case.

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        It doesn’t seem to me that OP’s coworker had an issue with professionalism. Rather, they seem to have been triggered by the use of the word

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    I work in a very large tech company. I curse like a fucking sailor around some people and use my church voice around others. Expletives lose their punch when used too often.

    I wouldn’t apologize or bring it up further. The time for an apology about language spoken in the heat of the moment is as soon after as possible.

    The best apology is a change in behavior.

    Good luck navigating this, you can see how contentious a topic it is by the comments in this thread. But it boils down to know your audience, and believe people when they tell you they have a problem.

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      I remember working in the London UK office and we curse non-stop over there it’s great. Whenever our colleagues from SF would visit they would always be surprised how much we swear. I’d see them do the turnaround like, ‘what just happened?’.

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    “I’ll try and be more professional in the future.”

    This way you’re not judging them or yourself, you’re saying you understand that there’s a code of behavior the bosses expect everyone to follow.

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      This assumes OP was not professional. The best answer is “thank you for making aware of your feelings”. They will think they are right and you can turn around, roll your eyes and make a jacking off motion.

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    This is a terrible apology. You make it all about then instead of your actions and then don’t even say you won’t do it, but only that you’ll try to do it…and then immediately dropping the f bomb throwing out the window any chance that you’re “trying” means anything.