I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.
When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.
Rant over.
And here I am looking to move away from Linux after they started rejecting contributions for political reasons.
They removed maintainers that work for Russian corporations, they are not blocking submissions from any Russian citizen.
That doesn’t invalidate my statement though.
The reason I replied is because of the “submissions” part. They aren’t doing that, everyone can still submit code that might get accepted. What they did was remove some of the people in charge of deciding what gets accepted from the team.
I think that entire comment is actually incorrect. My understanding is that they did not “remove” any maintainers, but actually rejected patches from Russian citizens (because of their employer), and also removed some Russian names from the maintainers list who already have code in the kernel.
I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac’s UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.
It’s bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I’m glad I don’t have to use macs.
I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don’t like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn’t worth it.
My main gripe with windows is that it’s gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it’s not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.
That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I’m sure I could find a workflow to that works with WSL or vcpkg.
Gradually? By 10’s launch, it was already adware/spyware. 11 is not even attempting to hide it, if you look at it objectively past the PR.
Yeah, fair enough. I’ve just noticed that a clean setup requires more and more workarounds in regedit and policy editor etc. Updates reenabling stuff like that is just infuriating
TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.
From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.
Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn’t say it’s much more different from Windows.
Now what does differ a lot is that I don’t need to fight the OS to do shit. It’s way better productivitywise, when I know what I’m doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.
Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such
Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn’t related to an update.
For me the pop shop always froze. At least that thought me how to use the terminal. But even regular GNOME software was miles ahead of their shop…
Oh… Now that you mention the shop, you’re right. Mine would freeze up too. I stopped using it, which is why I forgot about it.
That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I’m fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn’t work it’s not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.
I had lots of issues on Pop. Switched over to Manjaro and its much better for me. Laptop runs cooler, doesnt slow down, etc.
I’d recommend switching off Manjaro to pure arch or something like endeavour or cachyos, manjaro is not really considered the most stable arch distro
im not gonna change anything rn. I had tried Mint, OpenSuse, Debian, Pop Etc all trying to find an OS that had proper touchpad drivers for my laptop. The touchpad works on them but will randomly get very sluggish and have really bad input lag. Manjaro so far is the only one that has been working for me so unless i can figure out what magic they did to make it work, or if i have some other issue i dont see myself switching.
When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.
That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it’s perfect now.
There was an issue, don’t know how relevant now, with WSL 2 that caused awfully slow host filesystem operations. Not sure if it got fixed by now
You can still use the classic version of Outlook, that comes with latest Office. It is literally called “Outlook (classic)” in the start menu.
Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃
I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.
*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.
It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I’m pretty sure all the non ‘classic’ apps are this way now. I’m currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.
Personally I’ve been using outlook via pwa for months anyway
If they’re gonna put it in an electron container anyway you be may as well cut out the middleman and just use the web app Microsoft’s ones are actually quite good now
I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.
Hm. Not sure if it’s because I’ve stuck with gnome and kde. But both definitely freeze often during high I/o or intense processing times.
On multiple machines and multiple distros. It’s one of the most annoying things about it really.
Can’t comment on Gnome as I don’t use it, but that hasn’t been my experience with KDE. Previously running Tumbleweed and now running EndeavourOS
Yeah, I noticed that on GNOME as well
Maybe it’s because of Wayland, but that hasn’t been my experience with KDE. It has been lightning quick lately (though I recently switched to an immutable distro so that could be part of it)
I thought outlook had been electron for a while
I’ve been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it’s causing problems for you on windows?
My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn’t be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something…
My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.
Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.
Sounds like a pretty shitty place to work for then lol
It’s not great.
Same
