‘I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics,’ Republican candidate tells Fox’s Maria Bartiromo
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“And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military,” he said.
“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. Not even the people who have come in, who are destroying our country.”
It isn’t clear under what circumstances Trump would view it justifiable to call in US troops against his own countrymen.
But his comments mark a baseless attack and a particularly hollow one coming from someone whose supporters violently attacked the US Capitol in an attempt to stop him from being thrown out of office three years ago.
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And again, he plans to follows Hitlers footsteps.
Looks like the U.S. is going to vote in an oppressive dictatorship to own the libs.
“dictator day one”
“prosecute my opposition”
“prosecute my critics”
It seems insane to think people are shooting at him because they’re listening to democrats and not because people are just listening to the things he’s saying he’ll do.
It seems insane to think people are shooting at him because they’re listening to democrats
I’m confused by this sentence. What do Democrats have to do with any of this?
the media line was that democrats were being to mean to trump.
Trump has had multiple assassination attempts on him this year, and each time it happens Trump blames Democratic rhetoric as the motivating force.
Of course, anybody who took even a cursory look into the motives of each would-be assassin (and let’s be frank, it’s a big stretch to call some of these guys assassins - getting caught with a loaded weapon near where Trump is located is apparently enough to be considered an assassination attempt, even if Trump was never in any danger) they are often Republicans who absolutely hate the Democrats, so they wouldn’t be listening to their political rhetoric anyway which has been nothing short of “Political violence is not the solution, let’s win at the ballot box in November.”
Meanwhile, Trump is promising to be a dictator on day one, promoting eugenics, deploying the armed forces to deport legal residents, threatening to prosecute and jail his political opponents and revoke the 1st amendment rights of his critics, but refuses to answer calls to “turn the temperature down”.
I don’t know, some republicans think Democrats have something to do with this?
"I don’t think [immigrants] are the problem in terms of election day,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics.”
At that point, he suggested a seemingly sinister solution.
“And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military,” he said.
“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. Not even the people who have come in, who are destroying our country.”
He’s called Biden a “radical leftist”, it’s anyone who won’t vote for him…
If anyone actually believes Biden is a radical leftist it has to be a combination of a failure of the education system and systemic brainwashing.
looks at his mom
…yeah it’s both. 😒
What are you saying about my mom?
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…how did I never see the resemblance before? It’s uncanny.
You’ve got a user name only a mother could love
Oh she disowned me years ago.
The fact that anyone in America politics is being called a radical leftist is funny.
"I don’t think [immigrants] are the problem in terms of election day,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics.”
And yet there are SO many people here on lemmy that seem to think both sides are equally as bad.
Trump being a lunatic doesn’t automatically make the Democratic party the good guys. We don’t live in a Marvel movie.
Well in is obviously the better choice.
Do you live in such a nuance-less world that you automatically assume that if someone is saying that Trump is exponentially worse than Harris- what they really mean is that Harris is the epitome of all things good and can do no wrong?
You should maybe look into fixing that.
And marvel movies are hot garbage. So, I’d never compare anything even capable of being somewhat mediocre with them.
No, but I look at people espousing right-wing beliefs such as yourself and think of how far the Democratic party has fallen and why they struggle to compete against someone like Trump. It’s like you’re in a race with MAGA supporters to see who can destroy the country first.
No, but I look at people espousing right-wing beliefs such as yourself
Maybe I don’t know how to read… Where did this person espouse right-wing beliefs? I consider myself pretty far to the left, and everything they said is correct and reasonable.
Thank you.
ROFL…. I’m espousing right wing belief now?
Is everyone that disagrees with you right wing?
Supporting genocide, calling those who don’t support genocide “the radical left”, calling for the US to back out of places like Ukraine for a few examples. All right wing rhetoric and beliefs.
I also noticed you and this other guy prole always seem to follow each other around on lemmy and reply to each other’s comments with similar rhetoric. Kinda funny how that works…
And I noticed that you like to make false accusations of people you know nothing about. Is it accurate to assume that every far left outraged idealist is you? Because you seem to show up a lot where they’re being called out. And your single example is surely enough to base an accusation on.
it’s funny how you jumped on the one thing you believed you could build a strawman out of- I never said anything about Ukraine. In case you’re not aware, America recently sent troops to Israel to help with defense against Iran. I was talking about that-
Most people would have extrapolated this.
Which app is that?
I don’t see that often.
What I see a lot of is accounts that say Kamala has to be “conservative” on some issues to get votes, but can’t give a valid reason why Kamala sticks with unpopular policy like pro-genocide or pro-fracking.
But she doesn’t take the threat of trump seriously enough to make her want to aide with the platform of her own goddamn party. She like genocide and fracking too much apparently, and it would be cynical to imply it was the donations and not her genuine feelings on the issues
Touch grass. If a Democratic presidential candidate were to come out strongly against Israel prior to Election Day, they will lose.
You need to get a better understanding of the political situation in your own country.
Not a single person is saying she needs to be conservative. You know this.
What people are saying is that she needs to play the centrist game to garner support. It’s a known thing that any candidate that dabbles in “leftists” territory is unelectable. Maybe it’s the stink of delusion and ignorance, or maybe it’s their lack of any semblance of organization.
My guess if asked, is that no one takes their embarrassing “pRo GeNoCiDe” accusations seriously.
You don’t get to threaten candidates with your sad little withheld votes and demand them to kiss your asses while they jump through your single-issue hoop.
That’s not how politics work. It’s not how politics ever worked, and it’s not how politics ever will work.
She’s trying to save democracy. With, or without your help.
Not a single person is saying she needs to be conservative
So why is she for:
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Fracking
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A border wall
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Coninuing support for genocide
People defend her move to the right on those three and more fucking daily…
Like, you think no one is pressuring her into that and she is willing to risk trump by being more conservative than the Dem voter base because she believes in those three things that much?
If you want to “save democracy” you’d be doing anything you can to get her more votes, that means dragging her back left towards the party base.
She keeps going right, and her numbers keep dropping. It ain’t a coinky dink bud
Be against fracking and lose Pennsylvania.
Genius move there sport. It’s a wonder you aren’t a political consultant.
You’re right. It’s better that we keep pandering to the lowest common denominator time and time again and lose Pennsylvania to something else like a massive hurricane because at least then we can say we won some contests along the way.
Dude. If you are against a modern economy with electricity, don’t be a hypocrite.
Turn off your phone and go outside and sit there by yourself.
So… since you’re incapable of having a discussion without resorting to accusing people of supporting genocide- I’m going to end this here and flag you as a bad actor.
accusing people of supporting genocide
They say just as it’s announced that the US is sending troops to Israel.
Also, I find you trying to minimize genocide down to something akin to legalizing weed and mocking the OP as a “single issue voter” to be quite abhorrent. If Harris loses the election, it’s going to be in part to disgusting viewpoints such as yours.
Yawn… I’ll be nice to get some peace and quiet come Bo ember when you all vanish- as you do every election.
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Let Trump round them up then. Problem solved.
Theres no way Trump would float at all, especially after all that weight he lost.
We all float down here…
He is full of hot air though.
Fat floats pretty well and Trump is not the chiseled Adonis Ben Garrison would have you believe.
And what should the military do when people storm the capital, Donnie?
This is the collective stupidity of America
It isn’t about Turnip making dumb comments like this or suggesting making fascist government
No
It’s about how America just sits around and listens to all this stupidity and accepts it all as a regular normal part of the political conversation.
And votes for him anyway. This is what they want
One word: Kristallnacht
It’s actually uncommon to refer to the November pogrom as Kristallnacht in German because it’s the positive spin the Nazis put to that. It’s not outright taboo but it can be a dog whistle
Interesting. It’s definitely not viewed positively anywhere I’ve ever heard the term.
For background, Kristall is obviously cristal in German, which is associated with cleanliness and purity and high value. The name plays into the idea of “cleaning” Germany from the “dirty” parts of society
That’s not correct. The expression refers to the shards of broken glass after the Nazis destroyed the windows of Jewish stores and homes; among many other atrocities, like killing over a hundred Jewish people.
Which is why we don’t use the expression any more and refer to these events as the November pogroms instead, because that better conveys the scope.
Right. In English, it’s usually translated “the night of broken glass”.
So that’s how he plans to make the economy better, to force his opposition to leave the country and appropriate their wealth and property. Who did Nazi that coming?
Soldiers are not obligated to follow unlawful orders…the brass will say “no”.
How much support is there for Trump in the military though?
I’m worried about the possibility that this kind of rhetoric could lead to an attempted coup or civil war.
Our two party system has been in a civil war over control of us slaves for decades. .
Spoken like a person who had no idea what slavery is .
It may not be slavery by the purest interpretation of the meaning of the word, but what we have is still essentially “do shitty work you hate or starve and die in the street”.
A definition by which most humans that have ever existed have been slaves.
I mean… yeah?
Really depends. In general officers tend to be mixed bag while enlisted soldiers tend to lean Trump.
But it also depends the branch. In my experience most Marines tend to support Trump while the Navy and Airforce is more mixed.
I’m sure you can get some statistics if you look it up. But it’s pretty certain the military leans more conservative than the general population on average.
They lean conservative but not Trump. They voted blue in 2020 because the conservatives didn’t really come out to vote for him. They also have very complicated feelings about the Constitution and targeting Americans. So they probably would refrain from getting involved in anything but the most egregious conduct, like the Jan 6th insurrection, until we’re so far down the hole they can’t maintain unit integrity between left and right. At that point you’d probably see about a 60/40 split.
Til they don’t
Just cause the big guy called Trump a fascist doesnt mean there arent plenty of supporters down the chain of command.
Unfortunately people as a whole tend to follow orders regardless of their political party or legality. It’s been studied and observed all throughout history
Its not as simple as that though, e.g. that electro shock experiment was rather shaky and subsiquent attempts to replicate it have all but falsified its results.
What you have to do is cherry pick the small group of people that are willing to do awful things, you then get them to do those things in presence of the saner people who then feel guilty by association. After that you can use their lack of action to stop this awful thing as blackmail/guilttrip to get them to do some small awful thing of their own, and then repeat that process to get them to do increasingly awful things until everyone is just as bad as what was originally just a very small subset of that group. Importantly even though they’re doing awful things they still feel bad about it but they’re in too deep, this makes them even more effective than your original psychopaths because they know how they’re likely to be punished should your side loose which makes them fanatical in order to avoid punishment.
Its a tried and tested process but not quite as simple as people just following orders.
We have innocent men being lawfully executed by the state in the current year. How many people in total were involved in those processes without a single one standing up for justice? Our current “liberal” presidential administration hasn’t uttered a single word in opposition to their murders
That’s because that’s what liberals are and that’s what they do. MLK knew this, and spoke on it, and yet for some reason people like to pretend they didn’t hear it.
The officers already told Trump no. And when the National Guard was deployed for BLM protests they actually stuck to their ROE and didn’t deploy force recklessly like the police. Even when the police tried to get the NG in trouble with the people by dressing like them and then telling the NG they might as well.
If the NG was ordered to show up at the polls they would most likely sit in a position a couple hundred meters away where most people won’t see them but they’d be able to respond rapidly. They’d force the governor to be more and more explicit in their orders until they got to an actually illegal one. For example if the NG has been called for law and order they would be under the same restrictions as the police in regards to polling places. (In many states police aren’t allowed to hang out there, they have to vote and leave unless someone specifically calls them and faking a call to get them there could count as election interference.)
I know it’s hard to understand the military mindset from the outside looking in, but I guarantee you it’s not the robotic machine that Hollywood portrays. They are very conscious of their responsibility to the people.
You don’t think Trump will find people to do the job for him? Do you remember them black bagging and abducting people off the street in Portland during BLM? While the NG’s performance was commendable during that turbulent time, I wouldn’t rely on that fact staying true. Also I’m a vet and at least when I was in when we were given orders we weren’t told why we were doing them or given any context for them so in the heat of the moment that’s all you’re going to have to go off of.
This is at a level far above where we dwelled. It’s the guys with stars on their shoulders shielding the troops. And you’re correct, Trump did find willing lackeys, but he found them in Federal Law Enforcement. Most of them came from the Bureau of Prisons. He can’t openly recruit among the military the way he can among federal agents. So I’m pretty sure what will really happen, if he’s elected, is he’ll stand up that group of agents again, equip them heavily and just call them soldiers.
Which is actually straight out of the dictator’s handbook.
So like, when was the last time someone said they needed to handle the “enemy within”?
Oh wait
I remember this from history class!
Them “stop calling everyone you disagree with a nazi!”
Reasonable people: “then stop suggesting nazi shit?”
The last time is much more recent.
I took World History Honors in Florida 2 years ago, pretty much learned nothing about the coming up of the Nazis. It was mostly memorizing the causes/effects of stuff like the industrial revolution or King Henry the 8th. However the teacher DID wear a Roman dress with a helmet and shield for the test day of the Roman empire so that was cool.
Also completely unrelated but we only had to memorize the places of iirc 13 European countries and the big ones like Russia/China/India and that’s it.
Man someone should give him the end of his political carrier that Mussolini got. The person who does has my respect for life.
He’s going to get consumed by his own MAGA faction. It’s closer every day.
I’d settle for a Gaddafi
I’d be happy with a fatal slip and fall accident
I’m expecting the full Elvis.
Dies on the toilet while eating a big Mac.
Will no one rid us of this turbulent politician?
For the millionth time all leftists should be armed. Cannot stress enough how important that is.
What would be grounds for lethal action? Self defense against the national guard? An ar-15 won’t be able to do much against that. The only option for your own survival is not to play
When you’re fighting against fascism survival isn’t the most important thing.
lol, leftists here are doing everything they can to take away the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
That type of comment may have gone over well back on reddit but, sir, we are not idiots here. UTTER BULLSHIT, LEFTISTS DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. We want that right too. We just don’t want mentally ill people having access to assault weapons with which they can kill many, many people with significantly reduced effort. Someone going on a rampage with a pistol or a shotgun is far less deadly than someone with a long rifle of any type, especially automatic rifles. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT LEFTIST DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
I want to take away everyone’s arms. This country would be safer without guns.
But if they did, it would be ok too.
You rant loudly but wrongly about “assault weapons”. The fact is that pistols are used to kill far more people in the USA (and elsewhere) than “assault weapons” and any other kind of rifle. 3% or less of all homicides involve any kind of rifle.
Go on, name the leftists doing that. That’s liberal shit.
Furthermore how many mass shootings are committed with hand guns? Mass shootings are the target of ‘assault weapon’ rhetoric, not gun violence. And any one with a more than surface level knowledge understands how silly the framing and blaming on AR style guns has been.
But to call that ‘coming from the left’ is insanity. The media if staunchy neoliberal, the politicians are too. The dems pushing that gun control are just as right wing as the ‘moderate conservatives’, they are reactionary liberals all the same bud. Reactionary liberals are the types who call for such extreme bans (books, guns, abortion, contraception).
Every leftist I’ve ever met is completely for the right to bear arms. Other than the ones who realise that against the advanced military might of nations in 2024 owning your own gun of any capacity is meaningless (against state tyranny).
The state has a monopoly on violence bud, owning a high capacity rifle will not protect you from state tyranny, neither will a hand gun. But a hand gun is a far more effective self defense tool for home defense than an AR15. So if it’s not for state tyranny, and its not for self defense, it’s either pure gun fetishism or you have a purpose to unload the high capacity ammunition rapidly (that could be 40 wild hogs or you know 40 wild schoolchildren).
That being said, I still think you should be able to get them. Its called ‘gun control’ you know, background checks, ensuring safety. Not ‘ban all guns’.
Responsible owners are no problem in my book, nor does banning a gun platform make sense. Curtailing the constant terrorism against our children and minoritys should be a high priority for anyone though. Left or right, its not simply ‘a fact of life’.
Anyway brain dump but main point is y’all mfers need to stop conflating centre libbies with the left. Its fucking mind numbing.
Military weapons? Yeah. They should be.
Pistols? Shotguns? Not really. And yes, you can point to more extreme cases of ‘liberals’ who do want to amend the constitution, which is about the same thing as calling anyone even slightly conservative on one issue a fascist.
OMG! The former president is threatening mass violence and possible oppression by using the US Military on the citizens! Oh btw you shouldn’t have a weapon that looks like the one the military uses or shoots faster than those made 100 years ago.
The AR-15 is not a military weapon, purely civilian. In any case you should be able to own military firearms, the government is not to be trusted.
An AK is a better fit, lol.
But (just going with this for a second) I dont see a scenario where even having like an M240 is going to make much of a difference going up against the US military. What do you picture happening, a good honest firefight? At that point homemade bombs and such are your only resort where a pistol wouldn’t work.
Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam have left the chat. Why is this talking point always used to counter gun rights? It’s objectively not true ans has been proven time and time again. It’s guerilla / asymmetrical warfare, thr gov has to come to you.
The AKs available to the US consumer are also not weapons of war, they are strictly semi automatic.
An M240 would be a major upgrade in such a scenario. It would be more effective than a pistol, ideally you would have people with M240s and people making IEDs.
Yes. Gravy Team 6 has spent generations fighting an asymmetrical war against Russia then the US and I’m sure they train every day at Taliban compounds or are remnants of the Republican Guard
Be real: they sit in their garage drinking shitty beer and jerking off their unsatisfying-to-anyone cocks to guns, trucks, and Trump
I mean, they did a great job Jan 6, when Babbitt did not comply, of fighting back and showing big ol tyrannical gov! /s
Jk, they ran like little girls as soon as the reality set in
Lemme see any of these fucks hump full battle rattle 15 miles before we talk about them staging an insurgent war against the US
Christ, I bet all but a handful can’t do a single pull-up
Yes, there are people in that culture that are capable of small-arms engagement, using fire and maneuver to close with engage and destroy the enemy, but the VAST majority of them are fatbody chodes who fantasize about living in right-wing Divergence or some other young adult fantasy novel series
In a most likely scenario, this ends up being a quick decapitation strike at those attempting to hold the Republic together, or ends up being a low engagement years long drawn out war. The military would be reluctant on both sides, leading to mostly an arms race of local and state police battling disgruntled / rioting citizens with some groups of more organized cells. The Troubles and not GWOT.
The US military failed to fight insurgents in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What makes you think they’d be any better against an insurgency in the US, especially when it’d involve a good portion of people in their own ranks?
You guys are living a fantasy if you think a large chunk of the US population will turn into the Taliban, Viet Cong, Mujahideen or whatever over which party is in the govt and whatever antics you think Trump or Harris get up to.
We live in a rich, militarized surveillance state. A rifle is not how you fight that.
For now. But if you can’t imagine any scenario where an M240 would be useful, you’re very shortsighted. If (and this is a big if) we devolve into civil war, then an armed insurgency is very much on the table. All the tech stuff relies on infrastructure, and stable infrastructure is one of the first things to go.
looks at maga
Can’t imagine why.
Democrats are not leftists.
The old saying is; if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Well liberals certainly are, I don’t know if I’d say leftists are.
This rhetoric is meant for voter intimidation because they know Republicans always lose when Democrats turn out to vote.
The polls are meaningless because they could be manipulated or manufactured, we don’t know who’s being polled. People just need to cast their vote and not let this be a close election.
I will never express my opinions in places where I can be easily identified unless I am among people I know and trust. I will vote and keep my leftist ideology to myself amongst strangers irl. I rather like living without being bothered.
There’s no such thing as living without being bothered in an autocratic regime, doesn’t matter who you are. You could be the most ardent supporter and you’d still be shit out of luck for any reason. Stalin used to have his own cabinet members routinely disposed of
I meant being bothered as in strangers harassing me for my beliefs lol. I live in a grossly red part of my state and I keep a low profile out of what I feel is necessity
I do too but idgaf and start shit with anyone stupid enough to try with me. I made the religious sign holders leave Pride fest by simply talking absolute fucking nonsense with adamant of a mood. They left shortly thereafter. I was a volunteer for the event wearing the shirt and all.
I had a sign in my yard that said “support trans kids” someone peeled into my driveway, leaving huge ruts in the gravel/mud, and stole the sign one day when I wasn’t home. That’s when I decided to not voice my opinion openly like that anymore.
Oh hey, treason man is yet again announcing publicly that he’s a treasonous piece of shit and that he plans to continue committing treason? Wow, what shocking news. /s
Why wouldn’t he continue? It’s not like there’s ever any consequences for him.
But I don’t like treason!
