I’ve seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

  • smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
  • someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going “but you are from .world”) (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the “puching nazis” theme)
  • one more which I can’t remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

  • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    9 months ago

    I don’t hate LW, I even regularly post to a few LW communities. The sysadmins do a good job. There are a few debatable moderation decisions, but those are usually documented on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    The main issues I have with it is

    • centralization of communities coupled with the current federation implementation creating 7-days delay for instance like aussie.zone (see !fedimemes@feddit.uk for a meme and discussion on that topic)
    • their communities being the default means they can take controversial decisions and impact a topic for everyone until an alternative community emerges. See all the debates with the Media Bias Fact Checker bot, which in the end got removed from !world@lemmy.world (!globalnews@lemmy.zip for an alternative) but apparently it still on !politics@lemmy.world
    • another consequence of centralization is impact of their being unavailable. People here might remember August 2023 when LW was under consistent DDoS attack, it was barely usable. This prevented a third of Lemmy total users to use Lemmy. Should they face a similar issue in the future, most of the Lemmy communities would be unusable.

    Another point I haven’t seen mentioned is that they are still federated with Threads: https://fedipact.veganism.social/

    They are the last large instance which still is.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      juggles kittens

      Meow meow meow meow meow meow <----- That’s the kittens meowing, because they’re having a such a good time, but it’s still kind of scary! But it’s October season! It’s spooky scary time!!!

  • Sundial@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

    You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.

    Idk what’s going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are probably starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.

    • Drusas@fedia.io
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      9 months ago

      I don’t think FlyingSquid is a troll; I just think they tend to be argumentative and opinionated (I can be those things as well, so I’m not really judging when I say so).

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        He is also very heavy handed. The entire admin team is (not necessarily a bad thing). I was banned from a community for reporting a comment that insulted me directly because they didn’t like a joke I made. The joke was a harmless word pun, the comment I reported called me an idiot. But I was the one banned. Resource? None, calling the mod chat to argue a community ban is discouraged and also an offense. My account could be banned just for pointing it out in this comment. But that’s just the way things are here. I had to block FS because he tended to argue in bad faith with me whenever I happened to comment in the same post as him.

      • Sundial@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        The Troll thing I mentioned was more regarding the hate for .world accounts. I’m a little skeptical of some, especially the newer ones.

        I’ve seen some of Flying Squids’ comments, but its not like I’ve been following them closely. I don’t think they’re saying anything wrong, based on what I’ve seen. I wouldn’t begrudge someone for being passionate. That just shows me they care.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          People on reddit used to think I was lying about stuff I did in my youth, because nobody would do those things today. I absolutely did them. I wasn’t on drugs, most of the time, I’m just a weird person who stopped giving a FUUUUUUUCK about people in kindergarten when I gave Tim Caldwell a teenage mutant ninja turtles fruit pie…and he FUCKING THREW IT ON THE GROUND!!! I’m sorry, you do NOT throw a 1980s green ooze TMNT hostess fruit pie ON THE FUCKING GROUND when a fat kid gives you one! You treasure that shit, that he thought highly enough of you to give you one! It was at that moment I realized that other people do no matter. I’m the greatest human being alive, and I no longer need to worry about other people or the consequences of my actions.

          So I threw my pants down, threw him to the ground, and sat on his face. Nothing sexual. I was 5. So was he. I was just humiliating him on the school yard, by shoving my butt in his face.

          But on reddit, they would say things like “Pics or it didn’t happen!”. And I would reply “Let me get this straight…you want me to send you pictures of my bare ass when I was 5 years old? Even if those pictures existed, sending them, or even having them in my OWN possesion would be highly illegal!”

          They didn’t think that through. But I’m not a troll. I’m just an idiot.

          • Sundial@lemm.ee
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            9 months ago

            Based purely on this comment alone. You seem to have the most fitting username I’ve ever seen. That was wild read lol. Thanks for the laugh.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              Is it concerning that me reading your comment didn’t narrow it down WHICH comment you were replying to AT ALL for me? 100% of the time I need to click the context button to know whatevery anyone is talking about. My comments range from the politically divisive, to the absurdist satire, to stories of days gone by…and any story involving me is already going to be weird.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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        9 months ago

        Their usually fine but the smallest things set them off. Usually not an issue unless you’re unlucky enough to be where they mod.

        My favorite is still how they’ll ban people for TOS but leave the comment(s) then not understand why that could be bad

  • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    9 months ago

    .world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

    I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.

  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    I have nothing against the wolders but the admins of that instance raise more than a few eyebrows. Particularly when they rolled back specific anti hate speech policies in favor of vague common sense ones to stay ahead of the anti-woke crowd.

    Kind of feels like they have been trying to take over Lemmy. Which… Could be a lot worse but still rubs me the wrong way.

  • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    9 months ago

    It’s a battle of political ideologies.

    ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
    .world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.

    Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That’s one of your answer.

    Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: “we are being culturally replaced through mass migration”.

    Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        I’m not against eating ass, but it depends who’s ass it is.

        First off, I’m only eating female ass. Secondly, she’s gotta be above 25 years old…and even that’s kinda young. Thirdly, she’s gotta shower well. I want that butthole to be CLEAN! And lastly, I gotta love her. I’m not just gonna go out on a first date at The Olive Garden, and then go home to her place and start eating ass! Hey, how’dya do? MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH!!! No, I have to have a connection to her.

        So I’m not “No Eat Ass”, but I’m not 100% pro “Eat Ass” either. But I guess you guys would just call me a centrist, and I’d get attacked from both sides for not being far enough on their side.

        • Illuminostro@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Brother (I assume you’re a male, but it doesn’t matter either way,) you do you. If it’s consensual with an adult, like you state, it’s all good.

          I, on the other hand, am not going to put my mouth where literal shit excretes. Even if it’s had 3 enemas through it. But I will linger elsewhere. All the best.

        • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          9 months ago

          I first ate my partner’s ass after dancing at a rave for hours, at 2AM, on copious amounts of MDMA, no shower.

          I’m undoubtedly Team Eat Ass.

    • Archer@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I hope people point out that they and the fascists both agree on Great Replacement theory lol

    • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I’ve yet to see anyone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The tankie communities flat-out ban for being “liberal.”

      Granted, it’s been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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      9 months ago

      I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.

      Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.

      It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style ‘I’m just asking questions in good faith’ which are obviously not in good faith if you’re older than maybe 10.

      I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

      I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China’s social media site that boiled down to ‘Deng Xiaoping’s reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks’, and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.

      Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        9 months ago

        Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

        That’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don’t know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.

        PS: there’s at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy 😉

        • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Slightly off topic, is db0 one of the anarchist instances you’re referring to? I know it’s a generally leftist instance, but don’t know much more detail than that

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            9 months ago

            Yes, that’s my instance :) it’s run by anarchists and has an anarchist CoC and general vibe. slrpnk is the second.

            • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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              9 months ago

              I’m such a dunce, I didn’t spot your username 🤦

              Thought I was asking a db0 random, not the NaN himself

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

        If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

        The culture where these sorts of blatant lies are accepted without question is my biggest problem with .world. You can have whatever actual beliefs you want, but lying like this is really despicable.

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin

        That’s an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?

          • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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            9 months ago

            One of the admins, Nakoichi, is an anarchist. But please point me at the queerphobia, I’m not banned from hb, I’ll report it, I have faith they’ll do something about it.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  9 months ago

                  Actually Existing Socialism, “Communism” as a stage in development hasn’t been achieved by any AES state yet.

                • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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                  9 months ago

                  Oh, well drag isn’t one of those! Drag thinks communism has existed for 60,000 years in Australia, and a long time in many other places too. It’s a shame Russia and China were corrupted by the siren song of state capitalism before they managed to implement the Australian model. If only they’d been more like Catalonia.

                  Better to die a communist than to engage in trade relations with Nazi Germany during the holocaust.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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          9 months ago

          No, I was already banned from a bunch of communities for discussing the aforementioned things and I just blocked the instances … 6 months ago I think?

        • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
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          9 months ago

          I’ve seen bans there for Calling out horseshoe theory. As if it’s a slur

          • Thrashy@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            There are sophisticated and nuanced critiques to be made of Western power projection, soft and hard. “Nuanced” and “sophisticated” are not words appropriate to the average hexbear or lemmygrad denizen’s take on geopolitics, and for those of us who live in the real world rather than living to argue over how many Maos can dance on the tip of the icepick that killed Trotsky, the loud and unrelenting naysaying of anything less extreme than “armed proletarian revolution now!” got to be incredibly tiresome, not to mention the constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don’t have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.

            • pivot_root@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              The constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don’t have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.

              This is my main issue with tankies. Yeah, late-stage capitalism sucks and exploits the layman to enrich the rich further—I take no issue with that. It’s the knob-slobbering of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un that makes no sense. Modern-day Russia, China, and North Korea have about as much in common with communism as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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                9 months ago

                as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.

                Drag thinks oat milk is milk. Drag isn’t convinced that cow’s milk is real milk, though. Milk comes from a plant, drag isn’t sure something from an animal’s boob counts. Chemically it’s too different from milk to call it the same thing.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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                  9 months ago

                  I think practicality is the only important thing here, if something looks and tastes like milk, and can be used as milk in 98% of cases, it’s fine to call it a type of milk.

                  Certainly if we’re gonna call peanut butter peanut butter just because it spreads like butter, despite having no other similarity, there’s no reason to split hairs over things that are interchangeable with milk.

                • pivot_root@lemmy.world
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                  9 months ago

                  So, Drag thinks countries that act as though their neighbors are part of a greater whole ruled by them as the motherland, and have political structures where the governing body consists of a small cohort (and not the proletariat) are communist?

                  That’s imperialism, buddy.

                  Let me know when: 1) China stops trying to exert absolute control over Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong; 2) North Korea accepts that their ownership ends where their globally-recognized territory ends; 3) Russia stops invading neighboring countries; and 4) All three of them abolish the ruling class and give the power to the people.

        • noisefree@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          ML was is basically designed moderated to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.

          FTFY (though, I’m mostly being sarcastic here - like most things, moderation there is a mixed bag from community to community).

          • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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            9 months ago

            A toxic, cancerous shithole of vapid pissfarts incessantly salivating on themselves while climbing over one another to be top edgelord in a community that will eternally fail to produce either edge, or lords.

            • Maeve@midwest.social
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              9 months ago

              A month so far. I mean, I’m pretty sure I probably said stuff that was ignorant of actual facts that showed up on other instances and could’ve been dv’d by, it argued over with them, it’s hard to say since my original instance went down and I generally try not to hold grudges, but as long as I’ve been consciously aware, I don’t recall any unpleasantness. But then I’m not going on their instances acting like I know everything just because I read it from a Western or US-centric source. All governments BS their citizens and we never really know to what extents, since Massage, Snowden, Manning and a bunch of other whistle-blowers were heavily persecuted and prosecuted.

              I have been corrected, with credible sources from Western-centric media and had my thinking challenged, but it wasn’t disrespectfully, as far as I was aware. They’re alright, I’ve had non -confrontational posts rm’d and been flamed for no good reason by mods and regulars on the biggest instance. Every other instance seems pretty decent, but that’s my own experience.

  • FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 months ago

    lemmyworld in many ways is still just reddit. don’t get me wrong, I’ve talked to plenty of cool people on there before. but it is the biggest instance that ballooned after the API controversy and a lot of them seem to have just brought Reddit to the fediverse with them. I have no issues with any mods there, I’ve not really seen them at all. they did defed a community from my instance though so that’s pretty lame of them.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I beg to differ: even Reddit these days is little like Reddit, as it was just prior to the protests. Reddit f-ing died, and Lemmy.World is nothing like that shithole, especially what’s left nowadays with bots copying bots speaking to bots, allowing humans to simply scroll forever.

      To any extent that it is like the Reddit of old though, yeah it’s just bc it’s so big. It was guaranteed that some instance would become that, bc people are people - at least here, not like AI-Reddit. 🤡

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        t’s just bc it’s so big

        It’s not the World is big…

        It’s just everyone else is so small.

        Like in the grand scheme of the fediverse we’re all tiny. But of the “reddit clone” instances it might be bigger than everyone else put together even.

        I went over to your instance and checked, and yeah, it’s a reddit clone interface too

        The structure makes all of us “like reddit” because reddit has always had a shit ton of different small subs with vastly different vibes. A decade ago there was some sub on Reddit that had the exact same vibe your instance has today. That’s just how big reddit was.

        Federation just means no one group of admins can seize control, even if World went to shit tomorrow, everyone would just bounce. I have zero “loyalty” to my instance, if it starts to suck I’m out.

        That’s the point of this whole thing.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          9 months ago

          I just counted some of this in another comment here on this thread “they” being Lemmy.world:

          they are definitely the largest by a wide margin! According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, they have >5-fold active users than anyone else. I presume that’s monthly. The next largest instance, is lemmynsfw.com, followed by Lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, etc. but each of those with 2-3k users compared to lemmy.world’s 17.2k. So the latter is bigger than many others (if not quite all of them) combined.

          Also, due to how “packets” of data are sent, many smaller instances (like Aussie.zone) have like 7-day delays getting all the data from Lemmy.world, sent at a rate of no more than one action per second (a future Lemmy software update should help with this substantially). I’m not kidding about any of this btw - see e.g. discussion at https://feddit.org/post/3524876.

          Edit: I just realized I didn’t respond to your "reddit clone” part. Honestly, unless you start talking like Mbin or Piefed or something, that’s just Lemmy. I cannot really think of a single counterexample, not really - we all are on “link aggregators”, and most of us further are on “general purpose” ones. For that one I can at least think of several counterexamples: as you mentioned, some instances such as programming.dev, StarTrek.website, mander.xyz, aussie.zone, lemmy.ca - all those have a “theme”, but those too still allow general purpose usage, and still are forum-like. Then again, they can each have multiple communities, like mander.xyz is science but there are many individual communities underneath that heading. Which is a bit different from Reddit, having only just “subs”?

          Also, people on mander.xyz could block everyone from let’s say lemmy.ml and/or lemmy.world, if they wanted to. Reddit definitely did not allow that - if you wanted to make a block list, then you had to do it the old fashioned way, one by one!:-)

  • njordomir@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I want you all to know that I’m happy you’re here, cis het white male frat boy from old wealth with an ivy league education or a neorospicy gay trans Jewish anarcho-communist and everything else out there.

    While I won’t judge you on your instance, I will judge you on your ability to be a good neighbor. I’m always glad to see humility, kindness, empathy, comradery, etc. on display.

    • syreus@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      “We must therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate intolerance”

      Karl Popper

  • ulkesh@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    It’s the most toxic instance I’ve ventured into (and admittedly have this account on). People spread lies and vitriol here about as much as Twitter and Reddit.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Yeah that makes more sense when I re-read it. I was tired, I know there is basically subs mocking the abuses on Reddit, but didn’t know of one for Twitter, so I figured I’d ask. Elon is on to many posts for sure, so they could have just meant any technology sub being used to talk about his crazy.

  • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Some of the dumbest and most aggressive comments I’ve seen on Lemmy came from lemmy.world. Most comments on it seem OK, but it does have a reddit-like flavour with a good number of unpleasant users.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      hits you in the head with a steel chair like in pro-wrestling

      C’mon. Lemmy.World users aren’t aggressive!!! That’s a misconception!

      throws salt in your eyes

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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        9 months ago

        In fairness, you in particular have lost your mind! (And I for one am glad to not be the only one!:-)

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I am really somewhat surprised to hear that honestly. After Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, the worst extremes I see by far come from lemmy.ml. Sort of a “when I see trolling this bad, then >90% of the time it is lemmy.ml”.

      After that, yeah, lemmy.world has the largest absolute number of trolls on the Fediverse - you kinda expect some from any large instance, and they are definitely the largest by a wide margin! According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, they have >5-fold active users than anyone else. I presume that’s monthly. The next largest instance, is lemmynsfw.com, followed by Lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, etc. but each of those with 2-3k users compared to lemmy.world’s 17.2k. So the latter is bigger than many others (if not quite all of them) combined.

      Trolls from lemmy.world I block individually, but lemmy.ml got so frustrating for me that I blocked the entire instance. I do not regret that in the slightest. It was that or quit Lemmy altogether. Lemmy.world though seems… “manageable”, i.e. not every person from it is worthwhile to talk to, but enough are that it’s worth blocking only the trolls while keeping the rest, imho.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Yup. And if instances started defederating from lemmy.ml but not from lemmy.world, then even more accounts on the latter would be created as well. They - as they have continuously stated, publicly - really have zero interest in leaving people alone who simply don’t want to hear their shit.

          Though the ones with Lemmy.world accounts cannot read posts on hexbear.net directly, so that’s a bit of a barrier.

        • palordrolap@fedia.io
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          9 months ago

          I hate to admit it, but I don’t. Even before it entered the purgatory it’s stuck in at the moment, there was a severe spam and bot problem in the largely abandoned local magazines.

          If it came back now, something would have to be done about that, and though I have been previously, I’m not up for volunteering to do it.

          The only real loss here is the (lack of) continued development of the Kbin software. Mbin might be a descendent, even the heir apparent, but it’s not the original.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          I miss myspace. But then I started thinking about it. If MySpace came back, 100% exactly as it was in 2006, I don’t think I could use it. Too many privacy concerns in the modern day.

          So I DO miss MySpace, but I guess I also miss the innocence of 2006’s lack of privacy concerns too.

  • Xylight@lemdro.idEnglish
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    9 months ago

    I’d say the biggest criticism is that it’s the largest instance, and is also a “general purpose” instance, which sort of takes away from the main goal of the fediverse. When 90% of content comes from one instance, it opposes the goal of decentralization.

    I chose lemdro.id because it’s nice and fast, the admins are very good, and its main topic is around technology/software which I like

    • pixelscript@lemm.eeEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I don’t think the existence of large instances is in itself strictly antithetical to decentralization. The network effect makes them inevitable.

      The power in the fediverse is everyone has a standard toolset to interact with the entire fediverse. Most people won’t, and that’s okay. The important thing is that, should larger communities become too oppresive as they gentrify, replacing them is a cheap decision, as you and everyone like-minded with you can squad up and leave at any time and lose nothing as the standard tooling of the platform facilitates that migration. You have mobility in the fediverse, and that permits choice to those who seek it.

      This will stop being true once the larger instances start augmenting their experiences with proprietary nonsense. Features that only work there, that you can invest into and become dependant on, that you’d have to give up if you leave.

      The day that happens will be the day that chunk of the Fediverse dies. Or, well, it won’t die, it will probably flourish and do very well. But it won’t be the Fediverse anymore. It will just be another knee-high-fence-gated community, that happens to run on Fediverse tech.