Just switch parties already, for Christ’s sake.

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    2 months ago

    What happened to him? This is a guy who got his national profile by fighting Trump’s voter fraud lies.

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    Reading the full quote

    “Trump has created a special kind of a hold … and he’s remade the party and he has a special kind of place in Pennsylvania,” Fetterman said Thursday to a crowd at The Atlantic Festival. “And I think that only deepened after that first assassination attempt.”

    “I also want people to understand, you know, and it’s not science, but there is, there’s energy and there’s kinds of anger on the ground in Pennsylvania, and people are very committed and strong,” Fetterman said. “Trump is going to be strong and … we have to respect that.

    “I’m not going to sit down with a sitting vice president and tell her or say ‘Hey, no, no you better,’” he said. “I’m certainly not going to ‘mansplain’ that [to] the vice

    I think he’s just saying don’t take PA for granted and there’s a lot of work. It doesn’t sound like an endorsement at all.

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      You left out the Trump bootlicking part of what he was quoted as saying in the interview, which I find suspicious:

      I thought Democrats, we were the party that was all about second chances and that we’re not going to condemn somebody based on mistakes or things in that kind of situation.

      Or do you think the Democrats should give a second chance to a convicted felon who has yet to be sentenced for felonies that Fetterman considers to be mistakes?

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        He seems to have missed that this election is trump’s third chance, not second.

        The felonies are for cheating in the 2016 election. And I think we all remember pretty well how 2020 went.

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        Oh I missed that. TBH I read this from a different story.

        https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4889312-fetterman-trumps-special-place-in-pennsylvania-deepened-after-shooting/

        Yeah the quote is bad.

        Reading this story it still just sounds like he hates the approach they’re taking about campaigning against him.

        Do I think saying Trump deserves a “second chance” is dumb and gross given how much the fucker gets away with on a daily basis? Absolutely. This was not a good way to phrase it. This doesn’t sound like someone sucking up to Trump though. It just sounds like someone that doesn’t want to lose PA.

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        Yeah, he’s soft-supporting trump. This quote plus the “trump is going to be strong” line are definitely pro-trump in some fashion, then not wanting to “mansplain”.

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      Most of Pennsylvania is red. Pennsyltucky is a thing. It has one of the biggest KKK groups in the nation.

      So my eyesbrows were raised when I saw he wasn’t from a more liberal area like Philadelphia.

      Not saying they aren’t out there in PA. I’m just saying there’s a lot of folks who are backwards AF in PA.

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    Well if this guy keeps billing himself as a Democrat then he’s not likely to get reelected. He could get out-primaried.

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    Odd to see someone so seemingly left of the DNC pivot to being a DINO. Have to blame corporate money for some degree of it. He’s completely lost it.

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      I think he wants a shot at the governor’s office. The Senate seems to cramp his style, and he doesn’t have the chops for national politics. He was Lt Gov, and has a significant advantage in name recognition and fundraising as a current Senator. Plus, the DNC is probably already vetting primary challengers to run against him in 2030.

      PA is a weird state, in every way possible, and Shapiro did a lot of damage to his image in his attempt to land the VP job. If Shapiro decides not to run for reelection, the Democrats don’t have a deep bench in Pennsylvania. Austin Davis is probably the only other name worth considering.

      Fetterman would not win anything in a nationwide race, but if he can bring the Pennsyltuckians out to vote for a Democrat, he would win the state in a landslide.

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        the DNC is probably already vetting primary challengers to run against him in 2030.

        Why would they? What has he done to anger them? If anything, having another Sinoma/Manchin waiting in the wings gives them more excuses why they can’t do the things their constituents want them to do.

        The ideal position for the democrats is controlling all 3 branches, but being unable to actually do anything their constituents want, since the desires of their constituents are mutually exclusive with those of the donor class.

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      He had a near-death scare and changed from “for the good of the people” to “everyone for themselves” and sold out to make as much money for himself and his family as he can.

      Just my theory, but shit like this can change people when it shows them their own mortality.

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    This does sound like he’s got his tongue up Trump’s butthole, but he’s also not wrong. There are a lot of Trump supporters in rural Pennsylvania, and they are not swayed by the felony conviction or the racism or the dementia or the rape, because those inbred meth-heads are able to relate to Trump on a personal level.

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      He’s not wrong about some of what he said. He also said this about Trump being a felon-

      I mean, I thought Democrats, we were the party that was all about second chances and that we’re not going to condemn somebody based on mistakes or things in that kind of situation.

      The idea that the party would give a second chance to Donald Trump when he hasn’t even been sentenced yet is insane.

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        I agree with you completely about that. Honestly, it sounds like somebody who’s about to have a scandal break.

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        he also characterized trump’s actions as “mistakes”:

        we’re not going to condemn somebody based on mistakes

        I guess at 78 trump is still learning and making a few mistakes along the way

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        You also need to be remorseful to deserve a second chance. Be a man and own up to your mistakes.

        I do not think TFG is capable of that.

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        More conservative, as well. It’s rather interesting - anecdotally my grandma’s second husband used to be a kitten loving sweetheart who wrote poetry. He got some concussions when we were tiny and he turned into the most bigoted racist sexist crude unfiltered festering asshole of a person.

        Though I’ve read a few times from different sources that tends to be the case.

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    I feel so vindicated. When he was first elected I was calling out his fake every man persona and getting downvoted to hell for it. Walking around in flip flops and a hoodie as if he wasn’t a silver spoon nepo baby. I never bought into his personality as genuine, and found all his bullshit to be a distraction from a lack of substance. Now it’s very clear he’s a silver spoon nepo baby, he’s chosen his side and it’s not with us regular folk. It’s with his wealthy buddies.

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      I feel so vindicated.

      I don’t.

      You know why?

      BECAUSE HE’S A FUCKING CAUCUS VOTE FOR COMMITTEES!!!

      He votes dem, once, at the beginning of term, he can do whatever the fuck he wants otherwise.

      It’s 51-49, fucking grow up, kid.

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      I am inclined to blame the stroke he had, as it has lots of examples of altering people’s personality’s.

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        No, he had said a bunch of zionist shit before he was elected that people, myself included, assumed he was simply ignorant on and would move left when confronted with the truth.

        Turns out it was just wishful thinking.

        The stroke probably didn’t help, and personality might account for how Fetterman expresses his support for genocide by rubbing his former supporter’s faces in it, but there’s not a “don’t genocide Palestinians” part of the brain that got turned off.

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    Democrats are supposed to be a people who believe in redemption.

    You have to want redemption first. It’s not just handed to you for breathing.

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      No, you’re wrong.

      Evangelicals know you get infinite redemption the instant you ask for it, period.

      Because Jesus is just crazy for white people.