Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:
EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should’ve looked into posting this in a different community… It’s closer to a silly “innovation”… soo… is this considered FUD? I also don’t support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had “privacy-violating” before the “solution”.
Somebody teach the kids to protest: get into their REST API and ring it for every desk this stupid sensor is placed in. If you’re better than average, get into the operations of the electric controller which these sensors are powered through and fry them. Cost the school millions and they’ll (maybe) come to their senses
…so kids can freely vape in school buildings during school hours?
It’s not about the vaping it’s about teaching them to not waste public money on stupid shit.
Trying to stop kids from using drugs on school property is “stupid shit”?
Vaping is nothing compared to what they could buy with the money they spent on the whatever exorbitant price this surely costs.
Yes, let people do what they want.
As with smoking, vaping can be very irritating to people nearby who don’t want to smoke, so it’s not simply a matter of letting people do what they want, it’s about behaving in a manner that is socially acceptable when living among other people.
Someone is going to smash the sensor day 1.
Imagine paying taxes for education and they spend it on shit like this.
I strongly suspect stuff like this happens at rich people’s private schools.
Ain’t no public school in the US got money for this.
One upside from not having enough budget, ghouls don’t have enough money to develop stuff like this in public schools.
My old HS recently implemented an app to go to the bathroom. If you dont check out in the app you are written up. Source: my younger brother
If you dont check out in the app you are written up.
And what’s next?
I would assume ISS, then regular suspension, then expulsion
ISS, as in: you get shot into space?
We have to get those astronauts boeing stranded up there back somehow…
boeing
No-no-no. They have worse quality control than even roscosmos, which is huge anti-achivement. I’d rather trust Rogozin personally, than boeing managers. At least we know on which dacha he stores stolen money.
Right, America. They even make people pay to become productive members of society.
pay to become products* FTFY
Rich kids at private schools aren’t wasting time vaping. They have cocaine they bought off someone on the faculty or brought in from mommy and daddy’s stash at home.
Nah. Poor public schools spend waaaay to much money on shit like this. Source: Have worked as a teacher in a poor public school.
i dont see how this is a violation of anyones privacy and trying to get kids to not get addicted to drugs is a pretty fucking good cause.
I don’t know what’s with the downvotes, you’re pretty spot on. Some people are too privacy-oriented on this sub
Lemmy generally has a pro-drugs sentiment, which is certainly unsettling.
Also, can I visit bathrooms and not get into clouds of vape smoke, pretty please?
i mean im all for letting people approach drugs as they please but, someone smoking weed once in a while with some frinds is not the same as massive corporations flooding media as specifically media for children with propaganda to get them addicted to nicotine. Being pro that isnt so much being pro drug as its being a corporate bootlicker and downright irresponsible.
Addicted to drugs!? We’re talking about vaping here. Don’t strain your hand clutching those pearls.
Nicotine is no better of a drug than many others you probably wouldn’t want kids taking. Just because it’s a vape doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly addictive.
Doesn’t make anyone sound like less of a square calling it a drug.
Is nicotine not a drug?
I’m not going to argue that nicotine is not technically a drug. But I still think you sound like a square in calling it one.
So, it is a drug, but it’s not right to call it one?
And? Why does that matter?
dude never heard about nicotine thats crazy.
Nicotine is a drug.
Alcohol too, btw.
Assuming this is just a sensor for air quality tuned to this use case, I would probably have to agree. So long as it isn’t tracking specific students or taking photos, this is about as privacy invansize as the motion detector that opens automatic doors… or any old carbon monoxide or other detector which are used to legit protect public safety, just as preventing children from the claws of the tobacco industry.
I’m in tech and could never take myself seriously ever again if I built this.
Bubble gum stuck into the sensor coming in 5 seconds…
Sure it seems draconian, but how else are we going to get the kids to stop vaping and start smoking cigarettes like we did when we were in high school?
Won’t someone please think of Phillip Morris’ profit margins?
Doesn’t Phillip Morris profit from vapes, too?
Bringing vapes as a popular nicotine delivery system is literally the way tobacco companies are able to proliferate and return smoking into fashion.
Also, smoking should be prohibited as well. Not only because it hurts the smokers themselves, but because others are affected without their consent.
A big salty tear.
Yes they profit from vapes, but they dont have as large a market share, as ‘anyone’ can make vape juice.
It’s easier to make cigarettes than vape juice. Everyone can produce them.
No reason to believe it’s any hard to build a similar monopoly on that, too
Your responding seriously to a joke.
Schools are more like prisons nowadays
Start them early
Reeeeeeee! Fucking badges and metal detectors.
I’ll chime in with a weird take: this is a privacy community, we are united in a sense of defending our peaceful and unproblematic browsing on the internet and sending messages to friends from lunatics who seem to want everyone treated with the suspicion of highest criminal activity. the article posted describes a “privacy infringement” onto someone who not only has already broken the rule, but strongly publicized it by making people have to smell it. the perpetrators didn’t even have an expectation of privacy, so the premise is ridiculous.
I’ll say it like this: if the tv detects nicotine patches on someone’s skin, then i pick up the torches and pitchforks.
This may be a controversial take, but maybe we shouldn’t surveil children in bathrooms full stop.
There’s no indication they use cameras in there. It’s most likely just a sensor for vape smoke, similar to your common fire alarm.
And if it makes bathrooms a place where everyone can breathe without inhaling nicotine, I’m all for it. This is not a serious privacy concern.
Anything that picks anything up in a bathroom is a privacy concern.
In usual schools teachers are required to walk through every bathroom once in every break because the children are hiding in there to skip going in the yard. I do think this is much more annoying though.
I think your take is too far. It’s just beyond reasonable.
If a teacher were outside the room and heard a loud crash, they’d go investigate. This is doing the same thing.
It isn’t identifying individuals, it doesn’t record any information about a person, it simply flags that somebody is breaking the rules and is worth taking a look.
This is about the least invasive technological solution you could get.
And it’s a heck of a lot better than alternatives like removing the stall doors.
It’s not surveilling children, it’s surveilling the byproducts of vaping.
This. It’s a sensor, detecting only a specific air type. Not a camera, not a microphone. It doesn’t have to do with privacy, this is not “scan and collect data about all to punish one” and cannot be turned into one.
I’ll agree it’s a fuc**ing dumb idea. Like utter useless garbage. Classic capitalistic “fix behavioral trash-consumption issue with overpriced fancy tech products that sound amazing in theory and are garbage in practice, without fighting the problem at the root”. Screenshot comment said tax moeny but I’m willing to bet this is some kind of private school.
Time to break the displays I guess.
Kids figure out how to provide false positives in 3… 2… 1…
Doing minor “crime” in school was how I became a programmer!
Which of us didn’t crack the school firewall multiple times as they made it more and more annoying each time!
How to get overdoses from pills instead of highly controllable doses from vape pens.
You think kids are controlling their doses?
Needs more “amazing.” Seriously, screw these corporate ass monkeys.
I 100% support this initiative.
Big LED light outside bathroom
paper sign underneath light “vaping detected”
The amount of over enginnering that went into this is why we can’t have nice things.
