Manifesto LMAO, yeah he’s exactly the type of toxic dude who thinks in Manifestos, like all the shooters and amok guys.
Well, not only those cars suck but also he starts to ignore the ecology part 🤷♂️
Do they suck? Tesla is king when it comes to efficiency. I hate it, I’m in the market for EV and while I’m buying a car on paper of the same spec and at half price… It is a worse car and I wish someone else did model 3 but not tesla.
Hopefully Lucid or Xiaomi (yes I’d sooner give money to them than Musk) come soon enough.
I prefer my cars with quality testing, hardware that is not consumer grade that lasts more than a year, and mechanical doors so if the battery dies after buckling a kid in the car seat they aren’t trapped in the vehicle with the only option to smash the window. I’d love to live in fear with no guarantee the steering wheel won’t fall off while I’m driving on the highway.
Not to be that guy… But that’s not a thing? Teslas last practically forever by the current standards. 3 hasn’t been around that long to say the same thing.
But also, there is door release for the very thing you’re describing. If owners of the car don’t know it, the fuck are they doing owning a car? To me it’s unthinkable for someone to not know how to open their boot from inside or disengage the dead bolt from inside. That’s just next level stupid. If we were to never touch a car with no defects, we’d be still relying on horses.
Dislike Tesla all you want, he’ll, I’m with you. But not when you use examples like this. Use actual negatives.
It is they didn’t use automotive grade parts causing their screens to yellow
Toddlers can’t open doors. How do you expect them to find an emergency latch? Battery dies after your child is in the car and you are walking to them to get them out or away to start driving and the battery dies your kinda fucked.
Well yes, especially when talking about reliability, they do not have very good scores.
They are just over complicated
The truck is shit, but I’m with ya on the Model 3. I have a friend with one and it feels nice to ride in. I like the air in front, you can have the air streams come out however you want. Whatever the “go from being stopped to INSANELY FAST SUDDENLY AAAAAAAA” mode is, blew me away. Both my partner and I shrieked—we had never felt that kind of acceleration before.
Have I got a life-changing revelation for you: that acceleration is the hallmark of EVs. You literally could not design an EV with bad acceleration unless you actively limit it. Any EV has that acceleration, not just the Model 3.
Can you show me a similarity priced EV that goes from 0-60 in like three seconds? I’ve been in other EVs and they all have great instant torque, but none of them had that kind of acceleration.
Once it’s under 6 seconds who cares? I personally don’t even want all the old people in Model 3s going 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Who cares? Apparently OP cares, hence they asked the question.
A car with 3s 0-100 accelerates TWICE as fast as one that does 6s. I say a 100% difference is quite noticeable.
Depends how similar the pricing should be.
The MG4 Xpower and the Smart #1 AMG are lower price but have slightly lower acceleration (high 3s, low 4s). Chinese made and the build quality and software are not great and sometimes gimmicky.
The BYD seal has a performance model for a similar price, but it’s somewhat slower (still high 3s). Super gimmicky software, bit buggy still. And soon to be hit with tariffs in many markets.
The BMW i4 M50 is the closest match in performance and size, but costs 20 to 30% more. Better quality and suspension tho.
For raw performance, the Kia6 GT and Hyundai ionic 5 N are slightly faster, also cost around 20% more, but have more room inside. Similar build quality, but the software sucks.
For significantly more performance you have to go to a Porsche Taycan Turbo or Turbo S, costing between 3 and 4 times more.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I knew the other poster wouldn’t provide. I don’t wanna defend any muskrat shit but for the price, the model 3’s performance really is the most insane when it comes to 0-60. I couldn’t believe how it felt. I know instant torque is a feature of every electric car, but a ~3s 0-60 is bonkers.
I think the tires are a part of that too. I have an old V6 Camry with plenty of vroom, but apparently the tires I got are shit because if I floored it I’d be spinning the tires.
Not the tires alone, but also the weight and 4 wheel drive. Model 3 weights some 2 metric tons, it adds a lot into traction
Lotta upvotes for being wrong…
Totally untrue. Yes, lots of low end torque is a hallmark of EVs, but there’s still a wide range of how much, and a corresponding range of timing results.
I noticed something stupid while on the interstate yesterday and passing or passed by multiple Teslas: they don’t tell you which model they are on the back. If you see a Tesla you like and want to know which Tesla it is, I guess you’ll have to figure that out for yourself.
I don’t think I’ve had any cars tell you which model they are on the back. It’s usually opt-out for most brands and for every car I’ve owned, the first owner has opted out. Maybe my first car, an Audi 80, had a model designation. If not, it had an engine designation at least. But the rest haven’t had either.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Other than Teslas, I almost never see a model of car that doesn’t tell me its model:
This is a BMW i8. I can tell, because it says BMW and i8 on the back:
This is a Honda Accord. I can tell, because it says Honda and Accord on the back:
This is a Tesla. I can tell because it says Tesla on the back.
What model Tesla? Well, guess I’ll have to go look that up when I’m not driving.
Badge delete is always an option on higher end cars. I didn’t have a badge on my M135i. Who the fuck cares what car I’m driving anyway, if they want me to advertise they product my fee is 100€ a month. Same with logos on t-shirts.
Most of my cars have been old German cars. They have badge delete as a factory option and most people take it, it seems. Particularly on low spec models with 2 liter engines where if you opt for the badge delete, it looks the same as the big V8 models lol
Have you never seen any cars before. 99% of them have the car company and the model on them.
It costs nothing to remove the model for most premium makes so most people do. Granted, the most downmarket car I’ve ever owned was a Volkswagen.
Not because I’m rich - because I torture myself with ridiculously depreciated German cars so I can get more luxury out of €3000 than a brand new €50000 car lol
Most people do not remove the model/badge on their car. You might. But I guarantee if you walked out side right now, and look at cars at an intersection or parked on the side, they’ll have the model name on them.
Like half of all cars I see have their model badges. Maybe fewer. Which is why it’s weird to me that people take this for granted.
You’ll see them on cheap cars or really high end cars (if it’s an AMG, you’re probably the kinda person who wants others to know), but otherwise most people seem to remove them when ordering the car.
Personally I haven’t removed any badges because I’ve never ordered a new vehicle myself. But it’s usually taken IMO. When I was looking at newer (not brand new) MBs, I’d usually go look up the build sheet and nearly all had the debadge option selected.
The debadge will still leave the manufacturer logo on so the car is still an advertisement lol
My car doesn’t have the model or engine size written on the back either, this is not exclusive to Tesla (although, depending on the make it might be an option to remove it when buying a car).
The manufacturer badge is usually enough, in my opinion. If you can’t identify the model on the spot, as long as you can identify the brand and want to learn about the specific model you saw, you’ll hit their website or dealership and identify it there. And with a brand like Tesla, that only has 5 fairly distinct models, it should be fairly easy to retroactively point out the model you saw - compared to a brand like BMW for example.
Which car apart from Tesla doesn’t have a model name badge? Just curious.
i have a bmw that came without any, it’s an “extra” you can order for most cars
Zero cost option usually.
Mine is a Mercedes, but I have observed this on most cars around here that are younger than ~5 years. Just today when biking to work, almost any newer Mercedes, BMW, VW or Skoda didn’t have a model badge on the back. KIA and Hyundai were like 50/50.
The exception for BMW seems to be their electric vehicles, which were all badged with their model.Also something I have noticed is that “performance badges” (AMG, STI, M, GTI etc.) don’t seem to be affected by this - they often remain on the car.
The model badges have been opt-out on the Germans for ages. My W211 didn’t have them and I’m pretty sure you could opt out of it on older models too.
Occasionally they will have the model on a license plate frame.
They only have 4 models (not counting the cyber dump truck) that are pretty easy to tell apart. Small sedan or big sedan, small SUV or big SUV. Then basically do they have a dual motor badge and is that badge underlined (or does it have a plaid logo on the back). There you go. Almost literally all the permutations of Teslas.
Ok, but letting people know what model of car they are looking at is just basic marketing.
My understanding is that this is a deliberate choice, at least for Mercedes and BMW having their models be letters and numbers instead of memorable names. The idea is that all models seem closer together, kind of elevating them all.
Compared to when you look at an Accord and think this is the nice Honda, unlike the other not nice Honda. The implication is that all of the Mercedes ones should be nice.
But what do I fucking know. I like quirky weird cars, I like shitboxes, I’m one of those simultaneous fuckcars car guys (I hope I don’t need to explain how I can be in both camps at once?). I’m not the person any of these companies are marketing for.
Right, but they at least have those letters and numbers of the back of their car.
Unless you know which Tesla is the model 3, you won’t know which model it is when you pass it or is passes you. You’ll just know it was a Tesla. The back of a BMW i3 has a big “i3” on it.
Do they need to market anymore than their name though? Marketing is getting you interested in the product. You say “oh that’s a nice Tesla” you go to the site and look from there most likely based on your budget.
(I am by no means a Tesla fan, frankly their build quality sucks) but I really don’t think that you need badges of every type plastered on a car.
Nope. Tesla is distinct enough that they don’t need model badges. You know it’s a Tesla, and they have very few models and model variations. Compare that to something like Toyota, who has 12 different models of sedan just in current production. There are quite a few more not in current production, but you’ll still see them on the road.
He only wrote that to improve image and sales. He still knows it’s the right thing, but he never cared about that.
Remember when Elon started leaning into being an internet sensation and memelord? I think that’s when his campaign for more power started. Economic power is no longer enough.
His interview with Trump shows nothing less than Elon trying to get himself in good standing with the MAGA crowd. I guess he decided that conservative and reactionary politics are best for amassing power.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Elon runs for president or some other influential position once Trump is gone. He clearly wants to be perceived as a younger, smarter, more moderate Trump.
Almost all “altruism” and “philanthropy” is just whitewashing/ego stroking some Capitalist’s ill-begotten gains.
He only wrote that to improve image and sales.
Along this line of thought, what are the chances he’s being (more of) a right-wing chud in order to sell more of his stupid pickup truck?
Low. He’s a right wing chicken because of the tax cuts and all the other benefits the rich get from that party
Thankfully, he can’t run for president. And he’s doing the exact same thing as Trump who even said publicly that he would become a Republican because they are easier to grift.
The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase “natural born Citizen” and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning.
Don’t be too sure. This particular SC might allow Elon to run because…reasons. And by reasons, I mean free chartered flights anywhere in the world, brand new RVs, and paying rent for justices’ mamas.
Thankfully, he can’t run for president
Oh my God, thank Christ.
Yep. He has an interview in a movie called Racing Extinction, and it was watching that that made me realise he only cares about money, he didn’t do it to improve anything.
I guess he decided that conservative and reactionary politics are best for amassing power.
likely wants to be appointed dicktator after trump chokes on his last cheeseburger.
Climate traitor
I hate Tesla as much as the next guy, but this article lacks any context and makes some assumptions about malicious intent. Are these the only articles removed, or did they purge a bunch of articles from two decades ago? Maybe these articles were stored in a legacy database and someone finally decided to clean it up, then the media is twisting it into “they’re changing history!”
(Disclaimer: I’m speculating heavily here given my lack of context, so these may very well have been removed on purpose due to their content)
I hope I live long enough to see Musk bankrupt
I’d love that, but the way our stupid society works I think it’s literally impossible to lose that much wealth
He’ll become the Edison from our era, and I’m just want to stop hearing his name.
I struggle with my own mortality, but reminded by this asshat why life limits are a good thing.
Why does the whole world think Flanderization is a guide to be followed?
I’ve never heard that word before so I had to look it up. Because obviously my first thought was Ned Flanders from The Simpsons.
For anyone like me here you go…
Flanderization is the process through which a complex fictional character’s essential traits are oversimplified to the point where they constitute their entire personality, or at least exaggerated while other traits remain, over the course of a serial work.
Tesla used git push --force?
Thankfully nothing is ever really removed from the internet.
Such as this picture
Lmaoo this is the picture ElMo doesn’t want us to see
Dude still thinks the truck-o-sexuals are going to buy his car if he panders to the MAGAt crowd.
It’s probably too “woke” for Musk’s new fanbase and he doesn’t wanna look like he got hit by the “Woke Mind Virus”.
Btw, I love the guys over at Edison Motors, who got fed up waiting for an all electric hauling truck, so they’re retrofitting their own, under the slogan “Stealing Tesla’s Ideas”.
As some one who loves Nikola Tesla and despises everything Edison stood for, I can’t help but respect what I’ve heard about Edison Motors
I think it’s funny and pretty clever that they’re sort of turning the Edison name on its head
Here’s a fun fact
Thomas Edison was one of the first people to speak out against putting radium in fucking everything. When everyone was going absolutely nuts for radiation, Edison refused to join the craze and wouldn’t work with radium or polonium after watching an assistant develop a skin condition after working with X-rays.
So long as we’re talking about Tesla knockoffs, gotta love Nikola’s attempt to fake it til they made it with absolutely no tech, rolling the prototype down a hill n hoping no one noticed.
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