I had two reasons, the first is because i found it way too easy to spend on my card without thinking, and the second because I wanted to regain a bit of privacy alongside everything else I’m doing. Ive set it up in my bank that on payday, an amount of my salary automatically goes to the bills account, some goes to long term savings, some to short term savings, then the rest I take out in cash.
It really does change my perception of spending I think: Ive found myself not buying things because I didnt want to break a note and carry change. I can physically see how much I have left. I can take £20 to the pub and leave when its finished. Plus it feels really good knowing every single transaction isnt stored forever. I have a small amount of money on a contactless ring for emergencies like a bus fare or somewhere that unexpectedly only takes card.
Is anyone else still predominantly using cash day to day?
Never stopped using cash. It works, is less trackable and most importantly is accepted for exchange of goods even outside of your typical store front. Say when buying hay or straw for horses and paying then and there.
I’d love to but since tons of credit cards charge fees to the store, shops increase their prices on menus and items to account for this. On top of the fact that I receive points for purchasing, I’d be losing money if I were to be using cash alone.
Depending on the business, some actually charge less if you are upfront on paying cash
I’ve only seen small/local businesses, sometimes big gas chains, give a cash discount so naturally it makes sense to use cash when I can but it is very few shops still.
Yup, but those are exactly the places to use cash and it’s amazing what even some of your meals being in cash and it influencing your budget does to your purchase habits.
I agree fully with using a cash back credit card for the big places and purchases and cash when around town locally.
Kinda feels like I’m doing what my grandparents did but hey it kinda works
This seems like circular logic. The credit card & transaction companies incentivize you to buy more & take a cut every time while attempting to raise the # of cuts they take. Like OP I bet you’d save even more when using cash as you’d buy less.
since tons of credit cards charge fees to the store, shops increase their prices on menus and items to account for this.
why does this stop you from cash? you’re still charged the same
That’s their point, they don’t get a corresponding discount for using cash.
Like Orange said, I’m not getting a discount by using cash. Prices are higher because of credit cards so I might as well use them to get 2 - 5% cashback/discount. Doesn’t sound like much but it leads to hundreds of dollars in a single year for me.
You usually are tho. Around here it 3%
Only very few shops in my areas and mostly just local resturants. So yeah, it makes sense to use cash then but it isn’t the norm around here.
oh i see, i was tired haha. i’ve never used those card benefits much myself
I’m huge in the credit card game with all sorts of cards but it is a privacy I am willing to sacrifice.
I only use cash at places that have a purchase portal as complicated as giving change. You want to hand me a tip machine on a stick without tap pay and select a tip amount on a tiny shitty touch screen? You can count my change, thanks. Hopefully we see some traction in public opinion regarding privacy soon. Until then banks are selling your data, but the infra is required to live a modern life.
I regularly consider doing this. Obviously it is great from a privacy perspective. But I hate dealing with cash, especially change. With cards I just have one thing in my wallet and it just works forever. My bank account is automatically charged at the end of the month. With cash I need to keep refilling my wallet and carry around annoying change.
I would love to have something digital but also private (like Monero). But so far I have been picking convenience over privacy.
Change is easy to deal with. Just give it to the people begging.
This works in the US where change is worth very little but we have £1/£2 (or €1/€2) coins in EU which add up to a fair bit.
If it’s low-value change you won’t feel any worse giving it away. And if it’s so valuable to you then it must be valuable enough that you can buy something you want with it.
Yeah this is me.
I acknowledge the privacy issues but cash is way too inconvenient.
In the US, I’ve noticed several places, mostly restaurants that now charge a convenience fee for credit card transactions. Double bonus for cash. I’ve even started using checks again as they don’t have a fee.
That’s actually illegal in the UK, to charge a fee for card use. Just means everyone pays more in increased prices, although most people in the UK use card for everything so for the population as a whole its probably a money saver, if not a privacy saving policy.
With the exception of my early college career (pre-dodd-frank) I never really stopped using cash. It’s much harder to budget using a card even though these days you can check your bank balance from your phone.
I love the occasional “thanks for not requiring change!” that comes from it.
I visited the UK back in 2022 and I was pretty baffled at how you can universally “tap to pay”. We even visited a pub on the coast of Dorset where they wouldn’t even accept cash as a mean of payment. All in all it was nice, because it meant not having to deal with a foreign currency at all, we spent 10 days just using electronic payment, so as a tourist I think it was a good experience.
In Germany, where I live, you’re basically getting nowhere without cash, it’s still very difficult to eat out or buy small food items like bread or a sandwich. There’s also a culture of paying cash for many things, including pricier items like a second hand car! Shop cashiers usually don’t even blink if you try to pay with a 100€ bill (except if you’re coming at super early and they don’t have change available yet). It’s not unusual for me to end up drawing a quarter to half my monthly salary in cash.
I first disliked it when I moved from France, but now I think it’s actually good for the society. You always have some change to tip a waiter or give to a beggar, a coin for the cart at the supermarket, get something from a vending machine… Also I live in a very quiet area so getting mugged is very unlikely, making it not so scary to carry cash around.
I live in Germany too without using cash for a few years now and it’s no problem at all.
Yes, even the buses and vending machines and car park meters and public toilets have tap to pay. It is certainly very convenient but I think it does encourage spending more, and of course it means literally everything you do is tracked. Luckily I’ve found that most places still do accept cash but there are definitely a few who don’t.
I agree, cash is fun in Germany. I think it really helps that the 1 and 2 euro coins are available and used in circulation. It was so nice going into the Späti and buying a beer with a single coin.
Change feels unnecessary in the States since the highest denomination that’s widely circulated is the quarter dollar. There are dollar coins, but they are hardly ever used.
Haha don’t get me started with US coins, I also have a fun story there: we arrived fresh off JFK Airport in NYC and headed to our rental apartment in Bedford-Stuyvesant Brooklyn. It was pretty far from the a subway station so we got a connecting bus to get us closer.
The next day, we thought of taking the same bus line to head to Manhattan, except our party of four ended up being expected to pay 4x $2.75 in a machine inside the bus… in coins. That’s 44 quarters. Yup, don’t have that on day 2 of my stay. So we walked 6 blocks.
€1-2 for a beer? Germany truly is more advanced than the US
Some are only 30 cents! At least they were…
I find it interesting that Germany is so far behind when it comes to IT and modernization. It’s like you’re stuck in 1990, even though you’re surrounded by countries that have used chip payment cards since the early 2000s and contactless payments since the early to mid 2010s. Nobody here in Denmark has touched a fax machine in the last 15-20 years, and apparently Germans still fax things sometimes to this day??
hey don’t belittle technological advancements in germany, people here at are the forefront of innovation: https://simple-fax.de/fax-ki
:'D
Canada has universal tap to pay also, but what surprised me about the UK—at least in the London area—was how quick it was? The payment processing was near-instantaneous. In Canada, I think the machines make a phone call behind the scenes to a bank or something? There’s a significant delay before it goes through.
They use mobile data over here so it can be very slow in spotty areas, but most populated areas in the UK have full 4G/5G.
Ah that makes sense.
I think another thing that might be uniquely Canadian is when you’re paying at a drivethru and you see the machine emerge from the pickup window taped to the end of a hockey stick. That was a big thing during the pandemic for social distancing. I guess more recently, they’ve been moving to less improvised solutions, which is a shame. I really liked the hockey stick!
I’m starting to use more cash for daily spendings. The rise of surveillance pricing is terrible, better to hide qt least some of information from my bank.
I’m finding supermarkets locking their regular prices behind an app or loyalty card is getting out of control. Out of all the major supermarkets, ONLY Aldi has nothing of the sort currently.
Tesco and Sainsbury’s will often have a £3 item that costs £6 without their loyalty card. Of course it’s £3 in every other shop: it’s not a special offer for members, it’s a punishment price for those who don’t give away their data.
I usually ask other people in line for their loyalty cards. Or, in case there are none (which is rare) - I have found usable photos of random cards’ barcodes. It was mostly from the respective loyalty programs’ reviews, but I believe I saw a group that specifically shared theirs to get extra points.
But say you only use that card for that store, where’s the privacy invasion? It wouldn’t be much right? Trying to find a downside of a store card.
two words: data aggregation.
They know it’s you. They can match it everywhere else.
Tesco now even has stores in the UK where you scan your loyalty card on the way in, pick up items off shelves, and walk out and it charges you accurately. The amount of cameras and sensors on the ceiling was uncanny. So not only do they have your purchasing profile but they now know what you look like, your gait, and any other identifying information they use to make that work
(OK it might be just lads in the Philippines following you on CCTV like Amazon did but still)
Cause I’m looking at signing up for an REI credit card and haven’t found much downside researching it online. I do find it sus that all the employees are pushing it though. Asking if we are members and have the credit card and stuff.
Because then REI gets to be the one selling your purchase history and credit report.
Wow, I’ve never seen pricing that bad without a loyalty card in the US. Not saying it doesn’t happen, quite often it’s a 20-30% discount for the loyalty card, and occasionally more if you use the app (which I refuse, since I use Jenny’s number for the loyalty card).
You’re right to call it a punishment. Wonder if we can aggregate the loyalty app program somehow, like host the app in an Android VM on a VPS that anyone can then access, so the data they get is muddied.
Just one example I found in 5 seconds:
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/282774907
£7.50 member price, £10.50 otherwise.
There’s nothing stopping you scanning anyone else’s barcode but I guess they’d cancel the account if it got used en masse
Safeway. That’s only one of the several good reasons why I don’t shop there.
A nice way to understand how much your data costs
Not only that. Companies are now charging people extra for using cards, passing on their processing fees to consumers.
This is all perfect when you live in a responsible country where people pay their taxes. Instead, when you live in a place where paying your taxes is seen as something stupid, the less cash, the less space for tax evaders.
I loved it when COVID came and the government started giving all these businesses owners (bars, hairdressers, etc) a subside based on the profits they declared the year before COVID and they all went mad because they were getting 600€/month (which, ironically is the amount they declared to have earned monthly the year before COVID).
Plenty of cash only businesses in the UK that engage in this, although of course just because a business is cash only, doesn’t mean they’re a tax dodge.
IMO the two things are separate: it should be the tax office that does audits to catch this. It’s not very hard to see a vape shop that makes £500 a month with two top model BMWs outside might be dodgy.
I agree. But I’m not sure it’s possible to have enough tax auditors to combat something that is so prevalent in my country.
Thank God, taxation is theft. If your country must have tax auditors, let them have exactly one tax auditor for the entire country.
Least edgy libertarian. Hope you don’t like driving on roads or using the internet fibres
You do understand that most tax evasion happens a ultra wealthy and mega corps level, not peasants buying food and beer for cash?
And this tax evasion happens with in our banking system, money too big for cash.
I do. But so what? Since they are small businesses we should let them evade taxes? Tax evasion is a problem, and I agree we should go against all those billionaires, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore the smaller evaders.
Tax authorities need to enforce laws on the books as is, going after cash usage is not enforcing tax laws.
Going after cash in anyway is not the way… you are literally fucking over peasants as social level to gain marginal revenue that likely won’t even come.
Taxation is theft.
I’m nor a cash-only convert, but I have some anecdotal evidence for you.
I’ve visited Boston five times in the past thirty years. Every single time I used my debit card at Thanuel Hall for food, my card was later used for fraud. Always caught and never a big inconvenience beyond replacing my card, but still not ideal. I only ever use cash there now.
Online shopping, before the Amazon monopoly on e-commerce, my card would get compromised every few months.
Now I use privacy.com for all transactions that allow it, and its amazing how often those cards are stolen. Thanks to the way the service works, the stolen cards are useless to scammers or thieves, but my declined transaction filter has a few charges declined each month.
My point being that if you want to avoid fraud, and you can do it, cash is king.
Yeah I always use throwaway cards from my bank online, game changer. Even if just free trials so they can’t charge me if I accidentally don’t cancel
The cash I have on hand comes exclusively from playing pub gigs in a band. That is still very much a cash-driven economy where I am. When I accumulate enough, I usually wind up spending it on music gear, so I don’t think this hobby of mine is major wealth-builder. But while many businesses are moving away from cash, it seems music stores are used to people like me and still allow fairly hefty cash transactions.
The other day I was settling my tab at the pub and the guy hands me a machine. I say, I’ll pay by cash thanks. He says really?!? Dude, you literally just handed me cash for the gig tonight. Oh yeah…
“Is anyone else still predominantly using cash day to day?”
Yes. Germany.
Heh, Germany isn’t a good example. Its really hard to find a German bank that doesn’t charge you money to let you take cash out of your own account.
Most countries in South America use cash for most transactions.
huh, thats not common in my experience. Most people are with Sparkasse or other mayor banks which allow for free cash withdrawals, at least in their network. You can also get cash in supermarkets o.O
Sparmasse charges a monthly fee, no?
Only if your direct deposit amount is below a threshold, which is low enough that most full time workers meet it.
And what happens when you stop working in Germany? They just steal your money every month? Fuck that
Most probably do, but thats not specific for cash and also depends on your local Sparkasse
Was, das habe ich noch nie gehört? Ich habe bei der Sparkasse, Commerzbank und Santander ein Girokonto, keine davon verlangt Gebühren fürs Geld abheben bei Automaten der eigenen Bank. Bei der Commerzbank und Santander kann ich sogar 3 mal im Monat kostenlos bei Automaten einer fremden Bank abheben.
Außerdem kannst du kostenlos Geld abheben, wenn du im Supermarkt per Gieokarte (aber nicht Kreditkarte) zahlst
This is one thing the UK is really good for, all bank owned ATMs and most public ones are completely free to use for any cardholder of any bank. My bank doesn’t even have physical branches but I can still use the ATM of any bank lobby for free. There are some paid ones run by private companies but the fee is usually a flat £1-2 max. I’ve been to ATMs in Europe that have tried to charge me something like 10EUR to take out 30.
How’s Ireland?
Probably vaguely similar from when I’ve visited
A lot of the convenience of the modern UK high street baking sector is because of Girobank, the 1960s Government’s successful attempt to force modernisation on the banking industry. When I hear about the ass-backwardsness of other country’s banking arrangements (especially the US) I give a little thankyou to Girobank.
Edit: Also, yes, tourist ATMs are predatory bullshit.
Hm. Since covid, even my local bakery started taking cards. Even most corner shops for late night beers do. Kebab is usually still impossible, but that seems like the final frontier.
Man, Japan and Singapore too.
Lots of heavy cash flow dense countries seem to still be a fan of the paper, honestly.
Yep I was gonna say… and Japan. 95% of places I went were cash only, I think I only used my debit card once during a trip of weeks.
When were you last there, and what areas?
2023, Yokohama, Tokyo, Kyoto, Hiroshima, Osaka, Yokosuka then back to Yokohama. In three weeks I saw one toilet with no bidet. And all of the bidets were nicer than my $300 one at home… was awesome.
Sorry for the change in topic to bidet. Every week or so I’d withdraw like $300-$500 in yen and just survive off that til I was below $100 then I’d hit an atm again. Money went far because of a favorable exchange rate… and alcohol and food are extremely cheap in Japan even without those factors.
In Hiroshima, we went into a bar with 8 seats (common for bars and restaurants to only be able to host 1-2 groups, it was neat), anyway four of us drank 4-6 drinks, beers, mixed drinks, etc… I swear the barman must have given us a deal, when the check came we asked them to double check it because we thought it was wrong… about $50 for ~20-25 drinks. Insane. That was the case in most every city but Hiroshima was the cheapest bar tab I ever saw relative to the amt we consumed.
For the record, the Japanese drink like the Irish stereotype, they go HARD.
Huh. I’ve been to all of those but Yokosuka, some as recently as a few months ago but also pre 2023, and I’ve found that almost everything I go to took card. I wonder if we somehow happen to only go to places that do/don’t take card and thus have totally different experiences with cash only.
And yeah the toilets are great. Toto sells them in the US if you’re based here. A little expensive, but if you’re gonna live at your current place for a long time, it’s probably worth it.
The bar sounds awesome, sheesh. That’s the cheapest tab of that size I’ve ever heard of. I buy most of my things while I’m there due to pricing, and even then I’m shocked at how damn cheap that is haha
Tbh after being rejected for card the first day or two in Yokohama, I just stopped asking and assumed cash. So tbh it sounds like I could have used a card more, but I enjoyed handling the cool-looking money so it was a win-win 😁
I should start using cash too once I find my wallet. And that means I will be able to give some money to the homeless
In the US, I’ve started paying in cash to combat the aggressive tip buttons (your options are: 20%, 30%, 40%, or Other). With cash, I feel free to provide a reasonable tip for whatever service and they see it and appear appreciative, even if it’s not the 20% the little tip screen attempts to strong arm you into.
You can press “no” or “custom.”
Still less convenient.
Handling cash is less convenient than a couple taps.
