Haven’t been able to find one I’m confident about. Seems like they’ll all either ban me or have no reach/no momentum. Is it worth continuing to try this one, like they might actually not ban me? Is there a different one I should be trying instead?
Should I just immediately block everyone that replies in bad faith and tell them to try me on nostr so I’m not stopping them from talking to me but I also can’t get “banned for insults” ?
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What do you mean have no reach? I’m on a single user instance and can write to any community on any instance I want.
So basically, federation can kinda work one-way? That’s a big deal, changes my view quite a bit
In general, any Fediverse instances should be able to talk each other unless the admin has blocked that instance for whatever reason.
That’s quite different from how I thought federation worked, very eye opening
Right, but I think the flip side of that is — and, correct me if I’m wrong, I’m still learning fediverse — is that while you might not be able to be banned per se (you can only be “banned” by your instance, and you own your instance), but you can be defederated… another instance’s admins can block your instance (i.e. you) from accessing their instance if they feel your instance’s users (i.e. you) are more of a hindrance than a benefit to their instance and its users. It’s a different process but one still exists.
But you are right, your instance federates with all the others and I’m sure you have some control over that since you also operate the instance.
(And I’m sure you’re a decent person who isn’t catching bans or risking defederation, I just meant “if”.)
Yes instances can be defederated, but on a single user instance you get defederated because of what you did, not because of some other people did.
That’s a good point. I knew that, but I did not consider it, so, thank you for the clarification!
Thank you both for this subthread
Just take the high road?
If someone insults you, tell them “you’re now just insulting me, so I’ll leave this conversation.” Then proceed to report them, block them, ignore them, whatever you need to do to stop interacting with them.
If you resort to name-calling back, you’re just as low as the person insulting you, and neither of you belong on Lemmy. We have real conversations here, not kindergarten screaming matches.
Best of luck, I hope you (manage to) stay.
If you resort to name-calling back, you’re just as low as the person insulting you, and neither of you belong on Lemmy.
That is incorrect. Maybe I’m too good for Lemmy and they’re too shitty for Lemmy, but that doesn’t make us the same. You are a bad person for pretending there is no appropriate use of insults, and judging others over it - especially since you’re apparently into insulting people yourself.
But what sucks is that I might get banned for how “insulting” this is to say, while your much more insulting reply to prompt my insult stays unchallenged.
I looked through both this account and your other one, and you really just come off as a condescending know-it-all who moves the goalposts whenever someone calls you out on your behavior.
Just host your own instance.
Others are luckily always free to block you, but you do not need to worry about losing your account.
There is not really any downside to hosting your own instance either, thanks to federation, you get to participate in the wider Lemmy community as an equal member.
I am neither willing nor able to run a home server. I won’t last long on Lemmy unless server admins / other users allow me to
OK, so what you want is for other people to volunteer their time and money to keep an instance running. That, by itself, is honestly fine, and many people are happy to do so.
But you then also do not want to play by their rules. That part is not fine.
Why are you getting banned so often? I’ve never been banned from an instance.
They want to post and look at CSAM.
I’ve only been banned from one so far but the votes on posts are about as unfair as reddit so it feels like every instance has a user base that’s anti-honesty and will thus have mods or admins that are anti-honesty
Honesty about what specifically? I have a hard time believing that people are legitimately anti-honesty.
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Of course people tell lies and I’m not suggesting otherwise. The user I’m replying to used the phrase “anti-honesty”, which I read to mean that people on Lemmy are against being honest generically, which is not the case.
Honesty about what specifically?
In this case, mainly Lemmy’s federation is broken + we need more freedom of speech
Across all cases, “we need more freedom of speech” is a pretty common example of what specifically I get banned from online discussion for being honest about
Most people anywhere I’ve been, online or offline, are anti-honesty, so when you say that’s hard for you to understand, it’s like you’re either from a very sheltered place that makes you completely blind to the US, or like you’re another American that’s anti-honesty and super manipulative about it
Lemmy’s federation is broken + we need more freedom of speech
Are you absolutely sure you’re getting banned over that specifically? What specifically are you using your freedom of speech to say that’s getting you banned? Because if what you’re saying is true, down votes would be expected, not instance bans.
it’s like you’re either from a very sheltered place that makes you completely blind to the US, or like you’re another American that’s anti-honesty and super manipulative about it
I’m American (unfortunately) and autistic, so I’m extremely interested in being my honest self with people. I have not been banned from any instances, and I hardly even have a modlog record.
Are you absolutely sure you’re getting banned over that specifically?
That is what you asked and I answered. Yes.
What specifically are you using your freedom of speech to say that’s getting you banned?
In this case, mainly Lemmy’s federation is broken + we need more freedom of speech.
Across all cases, “we need more freedom of speech” is a pretty common example of what specifically I get banned from online discussion for being honest about.
Making me repeat this furthers my view that you are probably not too sheltered to be familiar with this, but just gaslighting me about it
Making me repeat this furthers my view that you are probably not too sheltered to be familiar with this, but just gaslighting me about it
Look, I’ll be real with you: based on the limited information I have about you, and my past experiences with other people who match the limited information you’ve given us… usually people in your position are either hiding information or genuinely ignorant of what they are actually getting banned for, usually right-wing sentiment.
So if your analysis of your situation is accurate, and if you’re not a right-winger…come over to Lemmy.SDF.org. You will absolutely not get banned from SDF over debating Lemmy’s federation and advocating for freedom of speech. Individual communities can still ban you of course. There’s no rules against insulting people and while I try to avoid insulting people because it’s not productive and it makes SDF look bad, some people in recent memory have absolutely earned it.
I really can’t tell if you’re sincere or not. I apologize for that.
I don’t get how people keep conflating me with right-wing people. It’s like right-wing people are going around imitating me to confuse people or something. It seriously makes no sense. It’s enraging and incomprehensible.
That instance appears to not allow open signups. I don’t want to be associated with a place that says “fill out an application and wait to be approved.”
I can’t get this comment right. It needs to show less emotion because it could bother someone to read it. But it needs more emotion because I’m too tired of all this. I don’t know what to say.
There are no widely federated edgelord instances at this point in time
And that’s a big part of why I don’t miss reddit. Most chuds didn’t migrate because they couldn’t figure out how to do it, so a lot of the toxicity got passively filtered out.
So, am I allowed to say “fuck off, rightoid” for implying I’m a “chud,” or is the instance I moved to still not safe for me to insult you back from whereas you’re safe to insult me because you have your fellow, what I hope I"m allowed to call (as I see you and them), rightoids to back you up?
Stop falling for the bait to resort to name-calling. It’s bait, to stop you from focusing on the discussion and get you to derail into fighting. Just talk to people like you’d talk to your grandmother, with respect. You’ll do fine here if you do.
I don’t think my grandmother is on here.
And if she is, she shouldn’t insult me anonymously.
Not rocket science.
I don’t know what a rightoid or a chud is, but here are a few pointers I hope are useful to you.
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You are free to insult as many people on the internet as you please. You will not be very popular though, for that is generally frowned upon.
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When speaking to strangers online keep in mind basic netiquette, and “read the air” per say.
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The world does not revolve around the USA
You are free to insult as many people on the internet as you please. You will not be very popular though, for that is generally frowned upon.
I’m waiting for the internet to have more people mentally healthy enough to not judge someone for appropriate use of insults.
When speaking to strangers online keep in mind basic netiquette, and “read the air” per say.
Don’t understand this.
The world does not revolve around the USA
The US is the seat of the global petrodollar economy
What I mean is: there is a place and a time. Don’t expect to enter a completely random bar insulting everyone and their mother and come out unscathed. On the other hand, if you know the people in this bar and you are the best of friends, then by all means, they might even merrily punch back with something from their repertoire.
The internet is similar, don’t expect everyone to be your same age, gender and nationality.
We are strangers, we do not know each other, I mean no ill will towards you and I hope you don’t either. I respect you by acknowledging you as a sentient and intelligent person with wants and needs equally as important as my own. I will not throw insults at you because in most human cultures (If not all) insulting a person you do not know is a social taboo. If you break that social convention you become an antagonist, and by your unwillingness to participate in society you turn yourself into an outcast.
This might sound cool for a 14 year old, but I urge you to imagine yourself in a remote area of the world at the mercy of an unknown civilization. I hope (for your own sake) that your first instinct is to appear as friendly and as least threatening as possible.
[TL;DR] Don’t be a jerk on the internet and then complain about everyone banning you.
I’m not the one starting shit here. I was clear about that. The issue is that places where a rule is “no insults” always seem to mean “no defending yourself from other people’s insults” not “nobody is allowed to insult you”
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Not a real answer to what I asked, but a passive aggressive way of suggesting the answer is no, if I’m understanding correcly?
Sorry, I was trying to be outright hostile, not passively.
I see. Yet another outstandingly bad person using herd mentality to feel prideful about it.
So you’re bad at picking who to target, but you’re also bad at being mean. Not sure how bad you really are then.
