2 picks for me: Stardew Valley, most boring shit ever, I don’t see the appeal, seriously how the hell did that thing sold 20 million copies?
And Witcher 3, I own that game since 2019 and I regret buying it, funny thing is that I’ve finished Dragon Age 1 and 2, which are kinda same genre but I actually enjoyed those games. I guess the old BioWare sauce carried those games unlike Witcher where there’s nothing to enjoy in its massive pointless world.
I just do not like Fallout 3 and 4. I played the hell out of 1 and 2 back in the day, and Bethesda really changed things up. The writing in particular suffered.
Wasteland 2 and 3 will activate the same brain ridges as the original Fallouts. I actually would recommend starting with 3 if you don’t think you can commit to playing both games, as it has the most polished presentation, and you get all the relevant backstory quickly enough not to need to play the other games. WL3’s structure is all about supporting different, mutually incompatible factions, which can feel like Fallout New Vegas.
I’m currently playing Colony Ship, which is an independent game that makes no secret of being inspired by Fallout. It is very mechanically dense. Clearly it is intended to be played by a variety of character builds. I haven’t finished it, but it seems promising so far.
Underrail is another game that takes a lot of inspiration from the old Fallout titles, with a lot of social stratification and mystery about the world in the game and mechanically a lot of different build types.
Try New Vegas baby
Right there with ya. Oh, I tried so hard. Walking and junk collection simulators in a depressing, ugly setting. The humorous bits are way too infrequent to make up for the litany of misery.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time – I didn’t play it until more than a decade after it came out and had zero nostalgia for it. The camera and controls were super clunky and I just couldn’t enjoy it. That’s actually true of a lot of N64 stuff for me.
Nostalgia is a helluva drug for that one. Shit was unreal when it came out
It wasn’t that great even when it was released.
ye idk about this take mate
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The Fallout series. The worldbuilding is so sloppy and lazy that it grates pretty much from the get-go… and that’s without even mentioning the white supremacist subtext it’s all drenched in.
Fallout New Vegas has IMO very good world building. Can’t say anything about the other parts.
…that’s without even mentioning the white supremacist subtext it’s all drenched in.
What?
Oh look… a liberal that refuses to see white supremacism when it’s literally on a screen a few inches from their face.
Yawn.
Wo did you think the (so-called) “ghouls” really are a stand-in for? Who did you think the (so-called) “tribals” are a stand-in for?
Man… you went so far out of left field to reach that conclusion that you’ve landed in touchdown territory!
Nah, race isn’t implied in any of that. Ghouls were originally portrayed sympathetically, for the most part, at least until they turned zombie-like. Do you think zombies imply racism?
As for tribals; surprise! Humans arrange ourselves into small groups, often referred to as tribes, no matter what our shade of skin, nation or origin, or even our level of technology.
Do you think zombies imply racism?
Lol! I guess you haven’t realized why the majority of protagonists in the “zombie apocalypse” genre are always paragons of middle-class WASP-ness?
As for tribals; surprise!
Sure, Clyde… I guess the reservations exist purely because their inhabitants like the view, correct?
Sorry buddy, these are not the stereotypes you think they are.
Lots of different movies feature lots of white people. Zombie movies often feature minorities. Frankly, zombie movies have much more to say about modern life than other genres. If they focus on white people more, it’s typically to point out how we’re pretty fucked up right now without the zombies. It’s not racist to comment on race. But you have by no means established that Fallout made ghouls as racist stereotypes.
Tribes have always existed, in every people group. We have them now, everywhere. We grow up in them. We build them on our own. Only loners live outside them, and they aren’t healthy. Just because diverse people revert to older tech after an apocalypse and get referred to as “tribals” does not make it racist. Even if it was, it’s the fuckin apocalypse! I’m woke as fuck, but some people might possibly become a little shittier at the end of the world. They could be calling each other much worse things. Regardless, you have not established any connection to America’s reservations whatsoever. Nor frankly, have you demonstrated that you speak for Native Americans.
Frankly, zombie movies have much more to say about modern life than other genres.
Only if you see the world through the same white supremacist lens that is so prevalent in (so-called) “prepper” communities.
If they focus on white people more, it’s typically
You mean it has nothing to do with the (supposed) “threat” posed to white middle-class Americans by all these “othered” peoples? I wonder what would happen if we were to replace the word “immigrant” with the word “zombie” in US main-stream media - would it make it any different or would the propaganda work pretty much the same? You need me to remind you how US authorities treat marginalized people during natural disasters?
But you have by no means established that Fallout made ghouls as racist stereotypes.
I don’t have to… the games pretty much does that all by itself. The relationship between humans and these “ghouls” in the games is a perfect representation of the “race relations” lens through which white liberals view the subject of white supremacism - which is, not concidentally, the furthest liberalism will allow discourse on white supremacism to go.
We have them now, everywhere.
Lol! So what’s the name of yours, then? Where’s your “tribe,” Clyde?
You were aware that it’s literally peak white supremacism to simply assume that everybody living in un-colonized spaces exist in (so-called) “tribes,” right?
Nor frankly, have you demonstrated that you speak for Native Americans.
No go, Clyde - you don’t get to deflect from white supremacism by using Native American folk as camouflage.
Wow. Just think. You typed all that for nothing. What a waste of your time.
The protagonist of Fallout 2 is literally a tribal that goes to save his tribe and in the end kills the president of USA.
What?
If you browse their profile, they’re just a reaction troll. Block, move on.
Go ahead, liberal… block me.
That won’t change the fact that the liberal fairy tales you’ve been feeding yourself is coming apart at the seams.
I think, if you’re serious, you may wish to consider challenging what you believe in. You won’t get a rise out of me, so don’t bother. I just wish to push you to try.
Cheers, friend. Hope you do. :)
you may wish to consider challenging what you believe in.
Then offer me something - show me how your ideology actually explain anything.
That is - if you can?
Fuckin whatever dingaling.
The narrative structuring around ghouls generally paints them as being unjustly denigrated, so even if they are race stand-ins it wouldn’t be for the purpose of promoting white supremacism.
The narrative structuring around ghouls generally paints them as being unjustly denigrated… but still an undeniable “other” that diverges from the “norm” (ie, whiteness) - exactly the way liberal ideology has always excused white supremacism.
FTFY.
By that logic any depiction of any form of supremacy, or otherism as a concept, regardless of intent, is detrimental. So, homogeneity only? Commentary is an excuse? Critiquing about the problem is as bad as endorsing it?
It sounds like you’re not mad at Fallout specifically, but one of the core tropes of literature as a genre, and basically the entire concept of social satire.
Even if you’re right, you don’t need to be such a smug prick about it. They’re literally just asking a question.
I’ll try and keep that in mind.
But I am dealing with liberal here, you know.
Dude if you care at all about expanding your ideology beyond yourself, it behooves you to not be an insufferable jerk to literally everyone you talk to. Your demeanor completely undermines any effort you might make here to (perhaps even rightly) challenge the societal norms you deem inadequate, unjust, or otherwise bad. People will just assume you sit in a continuous state of masturbatory rage and dismiss anything you might have (even potentially of substance) to offer to the conversation. Frankly I’m not sure I’ve ever read anything in print which so clearly expressed an air of self-righteous smugness, save for perhaps something by Bill Maher or Richard Dawkins.
Figure out how and when ad hominem is appropriate. Learn how to disagree tactfully. Try to exercise some empathy, at least to the point of being able to connect with folks long enough to rattle off whatever rhetoric you have in the ol’ back pocket.
Dude if you care at all about expanding your ideology beyond yourself,
You are assuming I’m here to “expand” an ideology - that’s a bad assumption, and you should feel bad about that.
you sit in a continuous state of masturbatory rage
I wish - that sounds lie a lot more fun than whatever this is.
self-righteous smugness, save for perhaps something by Bill Maher or Richard Dawkins.
Okay, I have to admit - that kind of stings.
Learn how to disagree tactfully.
I’m afraid that I don’t have the energy to waste on respectability politics - I don’t have a thousand years to wait until liberals (magically) become “ready” to hear how the liberal consensus has screwed them (and the rest of us) over. It’s going to have to happen in a more abrupt fashion - but I can assure you… they will come out the other side without a scratch on them.
whatever rhetoric you have in the ol’ back pocket.
I’m not here to recruit people for some “ism.” I’m here to throw a wrench into the machinery of recruitment itself. Nobody here will hear the rhetoric I “have in the ol’ back pocket” no matter how loudly I shout it - but they will sure hear the rhetoric they use to defend this ideology, and it will probably be the first time they hear themselves thinking it out loud, too. Let’s face it - liberals do not have a lot of practice thinking about liberalism at all. All I’m doing is giving them the opportunity to do so - they sure won’t be getting that from the media and political establishment racketeers gaslighting them into not thinking about it.
You’re trying to dismantle the echo chamber by amplifying voices inside to the point that they think what they’re saying no longer or has never made sense, and by extension alienate folks outside looking in.
It sounds like an interesting strategy, and might be fun if that’s what your about, but I doubt it’s very effective. I think the risk of it backfiring is probably too high to see a very good return on your effort, especially without any way to verify positive outcomes. Maybe you’re different, but I could also see the toxicity of the cynicism required to maintain the strategy decompartmentalizing and seeping into other parts of my life, potentially causing me to alienate my friends and family as well as affecting my mental health.
I any case, I got respect for anyone willing to stick to their guns for what they think is right, especially if it’s for positive social change. I just hope you’ve weighed the consequences of your method.
Not sure if troll or mentally ill…
To be well-adjusted to a sick society is no sign of mental health, Clyde.
Oh look… a conservative that refuses to see white supremacy when it’s literally on a screen a few inches from their face.
FTFY. Yawn.
“Conservatives” are liberals, Clyde - they’re simply liberals that are further along the “lib-to-fash-pipeline” than you are.
So no… you didn’t fix squat.
Fallout’s worldbuilding is fundamentally based on the 1980s game Wasteland, which had some of the best worldbuilding of its era, right up there with Ultima. Fallout 1 was essentially a remake of Wasteland. And they’ve only added to the worldbuilding since.
I’m much more a fan of team-building turn-based strategy games like Fallout 1 and 2, but I can’t claim that the worldbuilding is sloppy with the later sequels because the world was already well-built and they’re just adding details at this point.
Just the fact that the worldbuilding of the game was able to sustain a really good TV series season without the series adding much to the lore is pretty damn amazing.
Animal Crossing.
Dave the Diver. FromSoft games. All online games. Sonic anything.
Playing Dave now, it feels a bit repetitive but the story is nice. I’m going to stop the second I finish the main story though.
Breath of the Wild. The combat is fun but after that got old I realized there was absolutely nothing about the game I found engaging. The world was sparse and filled with the same enemies everywhere, temples were repetitive, the writing/acting was absolutely atrocious, and many of the mechanics were tedious as fuck. Climbing is tedious, cooking is tedious, gathering is tedious.
I genuinely do not understand why the game is so beloved.
Didn’t see them mentioned yet, but the Civilization games. Which is funny, because I love the 4x strategy game Galactic Civilizations, and many other strategy games like Europa Universalis, Victoria, XCom Total War, and Expeditions. But something about the abstraction and tile system turns me off. I recently tried Old World, and similarly couldn’t make it through a single game.
Witcher 3 used to be like that for me. Everyone kept telling me to do the Bloody Baron quest; did it, didn’t care for it, and stopped playing the game. Four years later, I decided to give it another shot and I liked it a lot and finally understood why people like it.
When I tried playing it there were a couple quests near the beginning where you get to choose someones fate. Nether answer is a good one and I felt bad whichever I picked. I stopped playing at that point.
I stopped playing after I saw how slow and clunky the combat was, and how the spellcasting is basically 5 different colours of the same spell.
Doesn’t matter how good the story is when the gameplay in between is a snoozefest.
I didn’t really like the witcher 3. Found the combat wasn’t that great and I spent most of my time walking around talking to people or trying to repair my weapons . I didn’t get very far into the game though so I’m not sure how much that changes later in the game . I did like the card game Gwent though .
I’m with you on Witcher 3, I’ve tried 4 times to play and like it. Not happening.
God dam walking simulator.
I wonder how big the overlap between it and RDR2 fans is
At least RDR2 is pretty frontier USA, Witcher seemed like grubby villages.
I think for me it was the disconnected world. I never got a sense of place or where I was going. I couldn’t spot landmarks, it was all just following roads that I had been told would lead somewhere I was supposed to be.
I loved W3, best RPG ever. I thought RDR2 was trash.
The side quests are cool. I can see the appeal. But yeah, I never felt excited to actually play it (or any Witcher game).
I bet the books are a riot though
My opinion might be more controversial than disliking the game. I only read the book the Netflix series is based on, but it was kind of a terrible book. I enjoyed the story for the most part. The issue for me is the writing style is terrible. I kept losing track of who was talking or doing something because the author never reconfirms which character said or did the thing. It ruined the book for me.
I kept losing track of who was talking or doing something because the author never reconfirms which character said or did the thing.
Aghh I find that so frustrating. Honestly I don’t see an issue with writing which character did the thing every single time. It only feels weird when you’re writing it out. When you’re reading and everything’s flowing, you don’t notice it at all, it’s like punctuation.
I can understand your feeling. I first bought Witcher 3 in 2016 or so and didn’t touch it for years. Picked it up 2 years ago again and loved it. It’s not he best combat, not the best complex game but the story really hooked me. Mind you, it does take a couple of hours for it to get going. And the secondary quests (side quests) are some of the most memorable I’ve ever played.
Baldurs gate 3. Just too much going on and I can’t figure it out. Never passed the first board. Also elden ring can get fucked.
I felt this way too, but my husband guilted me into sticking with it and I’m super glad he did, we had SO much fun playing split screen. I’m the type of person who has to look at the controller to see which one triangle is to give you some idea of my adeptness.
First board? Not sure what that means… the tutorial? On the nautiloid? You are missing out on so much
The very first thing you do. Whatever that was. Never got past it.
The tutorial?
I dont know. The very first part that is gameplay. Whatever that was, was too hard for me.
Probably the Nautiloid then (the area you wake up in that’s all… Bombed and has those pods).
(Ignore the rest of my comment if you have no interest at all in the game anymore, but read on if you want to give it another chance)
BG3 has a lot of content and story, but if you’ve never played a CRPG (like D&D but digital), it’s a bit difficult to get into. If you ever consider revisiting the game, there’s no shame in picking the easiest setting and/or looking up build guides online to make the combat easier (and save scum).
There’s a lot of very well written story and characters in the game and it’s one of those games where your choices actually matter. You can also take your sweet time with almost everything that’s happening in the game if you feel overwhelmed (something that new players aren’t really told).
Signed, someone who thought this type of game wasn’t her jam at all and is now 140h deep into her first playthrough ❤️
I think he’s thinking of Build a Gate 3, which is indeed the most confusing game ever. It helps to think in terms wood grain, and it really helps if you get the carpentry instruction from BaG 1 and 2.
BioShock Infinite. The gunplay is very basic and it’s world doesn’t make sense.
Like:
- How can Elizabeth be a up beat Disney princess like character? If she lived in her tower and being experimented on for all her life.
- Why Columbia need slaves. When it haves robots and have control of quantum mechanics?
spoiler
Killing Booker will stop Comstock being made. Because an Booker who didn’t go though with the river baptism still can become Comstock. You need to kill one of Lutece twin’s parents. So they never be born. Due to them helping Comstock make Columbia in the first place.
I really liked the visuals, especially at the start, and there’s some really nice beats, but the story fall completely apart as soon as the tears to alternate realities are introduced and given that the story ends up completely relying on that… yeah. I agree 100%.
Minecraft and other open-ended games without much guidance toward specific goals.
While I do enjoy freely exploring a large open world I also lose track of the point of playing at all… add some quest objectives or something and it’s perfect.
There are mod packs that add a lot of content and progression. As much as I like Minecraft, vanilla gets boring fast. Check out curseforge if you want to check it out.
Checkout minetest
Minetest is actually what we play - I host a server for me and my kiddos and have tried out several different games / mods
Currently preparing to move back to Asuna with an increase in mob mods and some of our other favorites
This was me with Space Engineers.
Fucking loved that game until I got to the moon. I was doing 10-hour sessions I loved it so much.
I played a scenario where I start in a planet, and there’s a space station orbiting the planet, and whenever I’m ready I can go to the space station and hit a button and then it’s basically zombie defense except it’s robotic drones.
Well, I started on the surface and my first thing was I had no water to make hydrogen and there were mountains on the horizon with ice caps on them so the first like 50 hours of gameplay was me building a rover and finding a path around a canyon to those mountains.
Finally I had a source of ice, hence hydrogen, hence fuel to get off the surface and into space.
After a few attempts I got a flying craft into space. Bare bones basics on it: survival kit, basic refinery so I could make repairs to my ship, and I started exploring outer space.
I tried the station with the defense thing and died instantly. So I decided I’d build up my ship, get more weapons, and try again.
So I cruised around, my ship grew, got more and more features including tons of turrets. I went and did another run at the drones and got through like 10 waves instead of 2. Then I decided to go check out the moon. This was a long journey (30 minutes at max speed as the crow flies) and I stopped many times along the way to expand my ship, so it was actually days of journeying to the moon.
Then I got to the moon, and landed, and it was cool and then … flop. All my motivation and fascination died all at once.
Apparently it’s quite common with Space Engineers. I really wish there was some major sequence of goals.
The drones goal isn’t beatable, I don’t think. And it’s the only goal like that. The reason it isn’t bearable is there’s infinite waves. I think.
What would even make it cooler is a series of challenges that you have to pass. At locations, each with their own difficulty level.
I mean there’s contracts where you can get money to trade like 50 steel plates for some space bucks.
I tried multiplayer servers but none of the worlds persist. Either the servers themselves are persistent - but the world is wiped every 6 hours - or the servers themselves are just rented servers that are up for a few days then gone.
I wasn’t able to find any public servers with long-term persistent worlds using the in-game browser.
I enjoyed gwent in Witcher 3 more than the story tbh. Did not enjoy the standalone gwent spinoff they eventually made.
I kind of have the same gripe about Minecraft as you do about Stardew. Not only is it stupid, but it looks like utter shit. The only redeeming quality is being able to do stupid shit in a virtual space with friends. Gmod does all that and more, except better in every way that matters.
Doom, for multiple reasons.
Yeah same, the edge lord imagery plus brutality losses steam very fast.
