The officer apparently tried to tuck a gun into his pants instead of using a holster, failed, dropped the gun, and menaced bystanders in response to his own failure
An ICE agent pointing a gun at someone like this deserves to be fired. He basically doubled down on his own incompetency.
That would get him shot in my state. This guy wasn’t masked, but if they are masked they can be considered criminals, a criminal pointing a gun at you is 100% self defense if you shoot him. It would never go to court.
No badge is about the same, but not as blatant/clear cut. You can say you thought he was a criminal, but the issue would need to go to court. In the end he pointed his gun at bystanders so shooting at him would likely be self defense … but how fair would the system be?
So what you are saying is they are going to promote them?
That ICE Agent gots management written all over them.
Forget fired, they should face criminal charges as anyone else would if they pointed a gun on someone without a reason.
*deserves to be shot. Like all gestapo.
Problem is, who is the officer? No name, no badge number, unmarked car…
This is how the riots start. Sooner or later one of these untrained ice agents will shoot a civilian because he is scared. Somebody in that crowd will shoot back…and then it begins.
“The shot heard 'round the world”, or something…
grabs popcorn
As an American, i just wanted to say fuck you.
A lot of good people are going to die. Your supposed entertainment here will be mostly poor people, and those who feel they can’t stand by while evil people oppress them.
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To clarify, I do not enjoy this either, but its more of a comment about the state of affairs. The fact that we’ve become so desensitized that everything feels unreal/surreal, the events feel almost as if it were a movie. Hence “popcorn”. Its a sarcastic comment, not to be taken seriously. Its like how people laughs when something bad is about to happen, its nervous-laughter, a response to trauma. Sorry if you interpreted this comment this wrong way.
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I’m also American, but I’m not white and I wasn’t born here in the US, I cannot afford to intervene. I’m also being persecuted by my previous country, and I can’t really put myself on the radar for two governments to come after me and my family/relatives, some of which aren’t citizens yet, so I’m bit of in a “Snowden” type situation, sorry, but I can’t do much. I’m afraid to go outside because xenophobes would tell me to “go home”.
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They do seem to forget how the Boston massacre started, don’t they?
Or one of the bystanders pulls theirs out in response to the threat
Mueica’
Heartbreaking to hear the guy calling out for help.
Where the fuck was he taught to tuck his gun in his belt like this? Fucking hastily trained amateurs.
Looks cool in movies. Probably aims his gun sideways, yo.
Trained? Don’t they just apply, given a gun, mask, and pointed towards a brown person?
Nah, it’s not the police. These imbeciles probably bring their own guns, which is why this one dropped his.
Fucking meatheads.
This was a reference to a South Park episode btw. Worth a watch if you enjoy laughing.
Well, you see, I got a nut
He had a nut to pay for
ICE is directed by jan 6 insurrectionists
The bullets fell out of his gun, too, and he didn’t notice them on the ground the whole time he was walking around even when he stepped on them. And I don’t think he put one in the chamber before the whole debacle got underway. If shit had gone sideways and he’d pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened, I think.
I thought maybe one of the spare magazines fell out of his vest, but it looks like he has 3 before and 3 after. I think he was unarmed that whole time.
You can see the magazine in his hand and if you look at the right moment the pistol has no magazine in it.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t one in the chamber.
Most modern pistols won’t fire if the magazine is ejected. Although not something one wants to figure out in the heat of the moment.
Definitely. I do think though that in his imagined scenario where there was a threat of serious bodily harm from the crowd, that “BANG click click click click” event would have been about the worst possible thing that could have happened.
I mean the whole thing was imaginary. No one in the crowd was planning to do anything other than yell at him, and he pulled the gun out just from fear. I’m just kind of highlighting an additional angle of his lack of any competency. It was only the fact that no one was trying to hurt him that kept him safe, he pretty much did everything possible to put himself in additional danger.
Edit: Oh, directing random cars to drive around a few feet away from this volatile situation was just another element of incredibly dangerous stupidity. I feel like probably he just did it because he wanted to reestablish some kind of control, to give some instructions to somebody since none of the ones he was giving were being followed and that wasn’t how he thought it was supposed to happen because he’s Billy Badass and he’s supposed to be in charge.
He also jams his gun into his pants and then immediately shoves the hand of the guy they’re restraining into the same spot.
I’m no gun expert, but that seems like a bad idea.
Agreed, but still not likely. Whatever the case is, this person has no clue how to handle firearms safely in any way shape, or form.
Looks pretty loaded to me, mate. He had a second magazine in his hand while he was trying to detain.
You are right, during the struggle it looked like there was no magazine for me. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the correction. Still kind of fucked up how he handled his firearm though.
Even worse: When that gun was tucked in his belt like this, it doesn’t take much for the trigger to be accidentally pulled by a crease of his clothing or gear he’s carrying, resulting in him shooting himself in the pelvis. Also, had the suspect actually been violent there would have been a risk of him grabbing it. It was right there within easy reach.
Even worse
shooting himself in the pelvis
Is that worse though?
The victim was very close to grabbing it after it fell out of the incompetent agent’s belt. I have to assume that’s what this quote is all about.
In a genuinely shocking development, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin issued a statement Friday which said “The officer’s conduct in this video is unacceptable and beneath the men and women of ICE. Our ICE law enforcement are held to the highest professional standards and this officer is being relieved of current duties as we conduct a full investigation.”
pelvis
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
He went for the “shoot my dick off”, appendix carry. He went for his CCW holster, and it wasn’t there.
If only it was a p320… 😭
That took me a second, lmao. GIT OFF MY RANGE.
It ended up being more like the Calvin Klein holster
they got all the ‘training’ they need:
“I have to protect my people.”
not you. not ‘them’. just ‘my people’.
I’ve seen drunk teenagers more eloquent and confident than this guy.
I mean it isn’t like they’re exactly hiring qualified individuals.
You have to be american to become a ICE agent
Not things to tell American law enforcements
I haven’t even clicked the link and I can tell you that the person was, for certain, white.
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People need to read up on the Kent State shootings in 1970. National Guards “men” shot and killed people singing songs. 4 murdered, 9 more shot, then days later at UNM 8 students were stabbed with bayonettes.
There was an investigation, the Guard lied about being under sniper fire, most of these brave heros admitted they were scared because of rocks. No one was held responsible for a massacre of unarmed Americans.
America has a 50 year old problem of cowards with guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings?wprov=sfla1
Some of those shot weren’t even protesters, they were just random students walking to class who were completely uninvolved.
And we’re still talking about Kent State and UNM today as it had a serious affect on the country. But the sad part is, if something like this happened today, a third of Americans would blame the victims. Fox News would tell lies about what actually happened. And it would be swept under the rug and forgotten about by Christmas.
The lesson from Kent State is no one in this country really gave a fuck.
When it happened 80% of the country blamed the kids. We’re actually much better off today then we were back then in terms of public opinion and reactions.
Trump world also pardon any offenders if it made it to court.
America has. 250 year old problem of cowards with guns
This kind of thing was way too common back then
https://lithub.com/when-bruce-lee-trained-with-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
Just back then? This is my first time reading this particular excerpt, but the “Black Hitlers” part sticks out. Conservative America really has been doing the same shit forever, it seems. Calling them that is in the same family as saying, “Antifa are the real fascists,” etc. Just feed their target audience some shit to parrot that, to them, feels salient but really is meaningless except for redirecting blame and stoking fear and hatred.
Exactly. Paint their opponents with their own crimes in order to sow confusion and shift blame
Per the article, these are Florida asssholes in Maryland. Sounds like wannabe slave catchers to me.
Apparently that’s a tactic, using soldiers - I’m sorry, “agents,” domestically you have to move them to a different location or they get soft.
Also fairly common with cops to not live inside of their own precinct. Because nobody wants to be the neighbor who hands out tickets. I know a cop who does stand up comedy, but she specifically avoids doing any comedy inside of her own jurisdiction. Because her interactions are her standup content, and there’s a non-zero chance that the person she’s telling a story about could be in (or have friends in) the audience.
That dumb fat bastard looks pretty soft. Pointing his gun helps him compensate for being a fascist bitch.
Being a fascist bitch is probably not the only short coming that piggy is compensating for. Lost of useless shriveled up roid-roasted nuts in ICE.
Yeah, some people also have a problem being seen stomping their own neighbours.
The idea is that they’re not put in a position to play favorites or make enemies with their neighbors.
Isn’t that the reason why you all have guns at home?
So, lets entertain this train of thought a moment. The ICE agent drops his gun and, embarrassed, drops to the ground and points the gun at bystanders (according to OP at least). A bystander pulls a gun on the officer in defense and fires. The ICE guy on the ground gets hit but not before firing off several rounds. By this point the rest of the goon squad have pulled their guns and begin firing on the crowd because they don’t know where the shots originated from. Now you have a wounded/killed agent and a whole group of innocent people got gunned down in response. Taking it further, Trump uses this as proof that martial law needs to be enacted officially and not just the illegal ways he’s doing it now.
Maybe that’s what its going to take? IDK. I do think you’re right in principle, but shits complicated.At leas t with Marshall law you will finally understand the severity and maybe fight back instead of just saying things like, “if we do something it’ll be bad”, every single time, until there is no one to fight back and nothing left to fight for and you can enjoy the full force of a technofascist state anyway.
if we do something it’ll be bad
Opening fire in public is a very particular type of “something“
Kimmel didn’t get back on the air thanks to shooters, it was loud noise (and louder money). Also I’m not sure how to ask without seeming like I’m egging you on but are you making recommendations that you yourself are comfortable following? I would understand your argument better if you were an armed leader of group trying to convince others they need to be you doing the same as you, but if you’re posting here then you’re probably not in jail so it seems like you’re encouraging others to get themselves embroiled in gun fights/arrested safely behind a QWERTY layout.
btw this situation is incredibly upsetting and I know your heart is in the right place—we want justice. If I read too much into your comment I’ll leave it here for others who suggest firing at authorities who may have not thought it through all the way, & hope you can see where I’m coming from when you look at the parent comment and then yours.
Most of those left-of-center do not have guns. That’s the problem.
That’s the reason everyone says they have guns. If you have a map I can go into detail on what that translates to.
The 2nd Amendment is for when all the other Amendments fail.
Technically, the 2A is primarily for when foreign armies invade and secondarily for when other Amendments fail.
1A says you try and protest to protect all your other rights. 2A says 1A didn’t work so they about to FO.
Ah yes, the States. Where you have to be more scared of the police than of criminals.
I sure hope this doesn’t happen over here.
Not sure where here is, but police are the same everywhere.
I feel like they’re worse some places than others.
That’s really ignorant, police is not at all the same everywhere
There’s a new breed of you people, you’re the opposite of the rights bootlickers.
However, you are just as bad as the maga fuckwits, blind and irrational, spouting nonsense you think is correct and others agree with you.
You’ve probably never left the fucking states with comments like that.
Nah, they are worse in the states. Yes, there are bad cops here too, one randomly pulled a gun on one of my family members at a traffic stop, but the cops here are generally better than in the states.
Ah yes… a few of the third world countries are worse than USA… for now. Making America “Great”.
Nope, that’s not true. The US is a special kind of hellscape.
I don’t know. I’ve never even seen a police officer here take their gun out of the holster, no even put a hand over it.
I know it’s difficult to think clearly in the moment, but I wish he had used the phone to call the local police, at the very least. Report a kidnapping.
Fuck ICE. Nazi bastards.
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I was trying to do a wry joke. 😁
Haha ok :)
I think they’re pre-emptively explaining to the jury in case the gov found it and they end up in court.
Go ahead. Shoot me.
I wonder, how many people regret saying it because they’ve been actually shot. Ah, yes. None. Good line.
Kent State may disagree. It is definitely a cautionary tale. That said: good line.
4 dead, 9 more shot, no one held responsible. Greatest country on earth.
I said it once. Felt like the only option. Luckily it didn’t backfire
