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On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”
The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”
Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.
Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”
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How do they tell the difference between “opposition to fascism” and the “opposition to stupidity”?
They don’t need to, it’s the same thing.
One can be anti fascist whilst not being a member of Antifa. Don’t forget people, these are the dumbest people in the world running this show.
One can be anti fascist whilst not being a member of Antifa.
Reread their comment, they know.
They knew about it because they implied in the second that that the first would pass in the current administration because they are that dumb. They know.
Sending gif trying to look smart while missing the obvious point is kinda embarrassing ngl.
You steel manning and imposing your own assumptions is kinda embarrassing (ngl). You don’t know their mind yet you insist on reading past their words. You just look like a dork who wants there to be more than there is to a thing.
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There are no ‘members’ of Antifa. There are only people that are anti-fascist.
Weren’t the Portland riots committed by members of a group called “Antifa”? Also, apparently there are small sects that organize locally.
“Antifa has no official national leadership, though followers have organized themselves into small, local cells that sometimes coordinate with other movements, such as Black Lives Matter.”
"Some antifa adherents keep a very low profile, while other local groups venture to give themselves a more public profile with a name and a website. One of the oldest such groups appears to be Rose City Antifa, which says it was founded in Portland, Oregon, in 2007. According to its website, its main focus is “any work that prevents fascist organizing, and when that is not possible, provides consequences to fascist organizers. This is supported by researching and tracking fascist organizations.”
SourceInteresting. Thanks. Might be time for a rebrand.
As a Portlander:
No, yet again there are no organizations, just individuals committed to the same idea. This shit is spontaneous and if you actually knew anything about this city you would know why.
Just like black blocs are an idea and a tactic, not an organization there are no leaders in a bloc and no members, just participants.
It’s crazy the amount of people that didn’t get your comment. You might want to clarify… XD
Yeah but the more you read up on the Nazis the more you find out they were pretty dumb too. Still killed millions of people.
explain how so? consider that there is no way to “be” a member of a group that does not exist in that manner. being of the cohort of people who are antifascist is not the same as being a “member.” I suppose we are saying the same thing. :)
I think conflating Antifa with anyone they choose is exactly the objective.
I am NOT a member!
I would NEVER be a member of any club that would have someone like ME as a member.
- Groucho Marx, 1959
Yup, it’s just a new method to be able to kidnap people off the streets. First it was “they were an immigrant” and then “they looked like an immigrant”. And now it has progressed to “they looked like a domestic enemy of the state”.
True, but they have yet to utilize their new terrorist distinction on me, an anti-fascist, so I think the general layperson is safe atm
You’re safe until you’re not, at which point, nobody will know because you’ve been disappeared.
So yes, we can hear from the people who we can still hear from. True equals true.
“They haven’t come for me yet, so we’re still safe” is not very good logic under a fascist regime.
How does one become a “member” of antifa?
Gotta get recruited by George Soros.
Attend the planning meetings of any anti-fascist group that uses ‘antifa’ in their name, of which there are many; in my experience the ‘membership’ is almost identical to the ‘membership’ of the local Anarchist Book Fair planning committee.
Or show up to an anti-fascist rally, even as a bystander, get arrested for nothing, and now your name is on a ‘known members’ list in some pig’s office :P
Annoy Trump and he’ll declare you one.
I would argue there is no organization known as “antifa”. Certainly nothing with structure or presence like tpusa or the proud boys, ya know the organization that terrorized the seat of our nation 5 years ago…
No, “antifa” is, itself, the term for the position of being against fascism. There is no organization.
They also will not care as they’re just going to accuse their enemies of it regardless of how left they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and they’ve been doing it way faster than I expected.
Without being a specific organization, antifa is still a specific culture with symbols, medias and codes forming a specific identity claimed and felt by people. One can be anti-fascist without being antifa.
One can be anti fascist without being anti fascist? Are you on fucking crack M8?
One can be anti-facist without being part of the antifas, yes. I don’t know from where you are but antifa is a specific subculture here, and in many places in Europe at least.
I feel like you’re still thinking ‘antifa’ is an organisation, when it’s simply being opposed to fascism. It’s a concept, not a movement, and it only appears to be a movement when fascism is on the rise. There are some groups explicitly for doing antifa action, but if you’re against fascism, you are antifa by definition. Also ‘antifa’ action can be anything from denouncing Nazis online to protecting trans rights to protesting to any number of other things.
The right has tried to make ‘antifa’ into some sort of bogeyman for a decade, and we shouldn’t allow them to frame what it means.
It’s similar to liking video games. I’m a ‘gamer’ because I like to play games, but I don’t belong to any gamer groups, I don’t go to conventions, and I don’t compete in tournaments. Some people do those things, but I’m no less a gamer because I don’t.
Yes, I am antifa. Enough that I own this book (which I actually recommend everyone read who wants to resist fascism):
the antifas
Are the antifas in the room with you right now?
No it’s not, also in Europe antifa simply means anti-fascist.
Okay fedbot5000, you did good here but maybe reddit needs your FUD more.
A-fascist-says-what?
In the last 30 years, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) has documented only one killing committed by an alleged antifa supporter. On August 29, 2020, Michael Reinoehl shot and killed fascist Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a member of Patriot Prayer, during a protest in Portland, Oregon. On social media following the killing, Trump encouraged police forces to kill Reinoehl. “Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is,” Trump said. Reinoehl was murdered by police and federal agents on September 3, 2020.
While there have been virtually no documented killings committed by alleged antifa members, there have been hundreds of murders and tens of thousands of assaults committed by self-declared fascists, antisemites, far-right militia elements and white supremacists over the last 30 years.
I’m still going to protest.
Getting arrested for holding a sign on public property will be a slam dunk lawsuit.
Not for long.
^^^ Look at this guy with his…
“I’ll be protected by the law” attitude…
We need to protest even if we’re not protected. We need to protest even if we wind up hanging for it, like Sofie Scholl.
In a sane world, yeah, it would be a slam-dunk lawsuit, but we’re in uncharted territory now, so who knows if that will remain true. The direction we’re moving in will be so much worse. If we don’t protest now, when we might possibly have some protection, we’ll wind up in a world where our protest will absolutely cost us our life.
I get what you guys are saying but this idealogy is what makes this a reality. People must continue to protest in large numbers. Only once the numbers dwindle will they sweep in and start charging people with terrorism. There is safety in numbers.
Is Antifa even an organization, and not just a general term for people who oppose fascism, which should be the majority of the population?
The post answers that mate
Antifa released a statement on this EO.
I almost clicked that.
Nice try FBI
It’s ok, I clicked it for you. Here is a screen shot:
I love that this is their sole response, hosted on a .org domain and that there’s nothing else there. No Contact Us page, no upcoming events, nothing to indicate they actually do anything or are even a group. Just that dumbass tweet and BLM support.
Antifa is a concept (anti-fascism) people can support or not. Antifa isn’t people.
There is no general “antifa”, but there are many individual (often regional) organizations with some form of “anti-fascist” or “antifa” in the name, like “rose city antifa”.
In addition, there are many organizations that are not specifically antifascist, but would describe an opposition to fascism as part of their core beliefs. This includes a lot of media organizations.
Lastly, anyone with political views that do not support fascism are automatically anti-fascist.
The goal is to oppress all 3 categories of people.
Well it’s a good thing America has a stellar track record on wars against ideas, e.g. drugs, terror, and Christmas. Let’s declare war on Opposition, there’s no way to lose that one
Wait a minute…I’m starting to think this Trump guy might be a fascist.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world hey, so now that it’s a criminal offense, is .world going to force mods to remove any dissent?
.world already operates like it’s run by fascists so it wouldn’t be a stretch. Just reddit 2.0 with the mods wills dictating discourse across its communities.
I just wanted to hear Jordan not answer a direct question like the wimp he is
Dunno, our server is in Finland so it’s up to the Admins.
Will you moderate anti-fascist comments if the admins say that anything anti-fascist must be moderated?
I can’t address a hypothetical like that.
I can say that the Admins I know aren’t inclined to go along with anything Trump says, and the guidance they operate under isn’t American.
I’ve also stated before that Trump’s noise about Antifa is just that, noise. There’s no group to go after and it’s likely just his attempt to go after “their” imaginary funding, specifically the tinfoil hat allegations against George Soros. I expect that angle from Trump any day now.
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/soros-conspiracy-theories-and-protests-gateway-antisemitism
You are not able to say whether or not you would support fascism or not support fascism because the idea of choosing between the two makes you feel uncomfortable in a hypothetical situation that is not so hypothetical that it could not actually happen in the near future?
I’m saying my opinion in an extemely unlikely hypothetical is irrelevant.
The Admins aren’t likely to side with Trump, and legally, they have no requirement to side with Trump. If they do, my opinion will be based on how they do it, not a “what if?”
I’ve quit platforms over lesser things, Fark->Digg->Reddit, but I’m not going to engage in hypotheticals.
I think I’ve figured out Trump’s Reichstag moment.
It’ll be the White House burning down, because of something going wrong with the ballroom construction. Then he’ll get to move the presidential residence to Mar-A-Lardo like he’s always wanted, and charge the American taxpayers for renovations and rent forever.
I normally don’t want hurricanes to hit Florida since I live there but that scenario would change my mind.
Kirk was the reichstag fire
How is this even an allowed source for “news”?
Yeah… Welcome to Lemmy.
I don’t support fascism. I’m wholly against it. I guess that makes me antifascist.
Get um, boys.
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Shit tier site.
A recent article:
Escalation in the Baltics: NATO exploits alleged airspace violation by Russian jets for new war escalation
Last Friday, the Estonian Defense Ministry reported that three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets had entered Estonian airspace for several minutes. While the government in Tallinn and NATO allies immediately branded the incident a “provocation” by Moscow, the Kremlin firmly rejected this account. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, there had been no border violation. The aircraft were on a transfer flight from a base in northwestern Russia to the Kaliningrad exclave and had been flying “in strict conformity with international rules governing airspace with no violation of the borders of other states as is confirmed by independent checks.”
In fact, even the map published by the Estonian military indicates that the jets flew parallel to the border and were on a transit route. Nevertheless, the incident is being exaggerated by European governments and the mainstream media to further escalate the confrontation with Russia.
Why post about such an important using content from generate tankie roaches?
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Trump is leaving office in a casket tbh. There’s even a decent chance it happens before his term is up.
I’ll be mildly surprised if he sees 2026.
