I have problems with a lot of scripted television now when I used to love it as a kid.
Hell, I have problems with some parts of TNG because there science has progressed so much since then. THE EXOCOMS ARE SPECIAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAPIENCE, THEY AREN’T LIFE!
Oh man. So many and so much. Most of the “comedy” from the 80s, 90s, early 2000s is unwatchable. Older movies are sometimes straight up disgusting. I think it’s a sign for how we grow as a society to be more aware of the sexism, racism and other forms of disrespect that has been sold as comedy or just as “normal”. I consume much more consciously and through a more meta lense. For reference: I’m turning 40 this year
I tried to rewatch John Tucker Must Die as something to have on in the background the other night, and wooow did that not hold up. I only made it to where they give him estrogen (which is insane and terrible) and he starts acting like a stereotypical “girl on her period” before I bailed. So many of the movies targeted at teenagers and young adults in that era are so bad. They went all in on punching down, and the amount of rape and sexual assault is wild in retrospect.
There are so many examples of anti trans sentiment in older comedy. Just about all of them hinging on the “you can always tell” myth and/or highlighting how obviously won’t and confused the poor trans people must be. For someone whose only exposure to tabs people was that for a long time, I can start to how damaging and limiting that was.
I like to watch those old shows because they are reminders that we really have made significant progress in my lifetime.
Primary source materials, really. A great window into the past.
It’s hard line between classic and temporary. Anything that follows trend hard usually doesn’t last the test. Things that try to relive the past usually don’t last.
Watched Beetlejuice with the kids last night. Not as funny as I remember, and they weren’t laughing either.
OTOH, we all thought The Lost Boys was still pretty cool.
Blazing Saddles next?
Blazing Saddles still holds up
Blazing saddles was written with the golden rule of offensive comedy: don’t punch down or up, punch in all directions.
Beetlejuice was never funny, so much as it was fun and weird.
I quit smoking pot and no longer enjoy the Spin Doctors. Well, that’s half true. I heard them straight one day and decided if that’s the kind of thing I like when I’m high, I should quit.
Well said, Little Miss. You can’t be wrong.
I only know that one song of them. I really like that. I won’t buy you rockets though.
I remember really enjoying How I Met Your Mother when it was airing. I tried for a rewatch recently and only made it a few episodes in because I was so disinterested. It felt empty, and the humor wasn’t hitting. I think it’s a combination of I’ve changed (I’ve aged out of the “20-something singles fool around in a fantasy version of NYC” demographic) and TV has evolved (good comedy shows are no longer just goofy hijink situations and setups for one-liners).
So instead I rewatched Archer season one (same era as HIMYM) and fortunately that one still slaps.
Mah. Mah.
Watched Beetlejuice with the kids last night. Not as funny as I remember, and they weren’t laughing either.
OTOH, we all thought The Lost Boys was still pretty cool.
Blazing Saddles next?
Blazing Saddles holds up for the Common Clay quote alone
If I were to watch Dragon Ball Z now, I’d probably drop the series. I still remember it fondly, but it’s too slow.
The first two seasons of the Pokémon anime aged well for me. Individual games, too. But the series as a whole felt from an “I know all 386!” to “…it’s a Tentaquil”.
Chrono Trigger went from “it’s okay, it’s fun” to “…I spent my whole life underrating it, didn’t I?” So did Final Fantasy VI.
Same deal with Dostoyevsky. I guess you need some maturity to understand things.
Baudelaire, though? Hard pass.
I still love 1984 and Animal Farm, but I want to drown 90% of the muppets talking about them.
I can’t stand Legião Urbana any more. Pink Floyd on the other hand aged well, so did Nenhum de Nós.
To be honest I was never too much into movies. There’s one or another thing that I like (Modern Times, 8 1/2, The Shining), but it’s mostly unchanged.
I think that’s what Dragon Ball Z Kai was trying to solve, the ridiculous pacing.
Granted, the pacing sucked back then too. I remember it taking years to get to the event where Goku finally went super Saiyan. That whole Namek saga dragged on for far too long with nothing actually happening.
10 episodes for Namek to blow up “in five minutes”. That’s a whole season for some shows. Dragonball Abridged is the true canon ror me.
I remember for most of the Freeza saga Toonami would make a big deal about having a week of new DBZ episodes. They would play one new episode Monday to Thursday, then start back at the Raddits saga and buy the time they caught up to where they were they had 4 more episodes translated, and then they would do it all again.
They would fuck with us and toss in the tree of might special in there to make you question the continuity, too.
Also long before they were even getting translated, they only had so many Namek episodes up to a point, and then they’d restart.
Jesus, dude! I felt like I wrote that!
I can no longer make it through a show with a laugh track. They just spoil the flow.
While they don’t always ruin the thing, so many old shows, movies, and music have a ton of blatant racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. sprinkled in that makes it less enjoyable. South Park’s Chef Aid album has a song that is a combo of Crystal Method, Ozzy, DMX, and I think Wu Tang called Nowhere to Run. It is pretty awesome, except for DMX inserting a few homophobic lines. That asshole ruined a great song!
Overall I notice mean jokes and cruel humor, which is still around to some extent but far less often without the person making the joke clearly an asshole. Stuff like Mel Brooks that included some humor about groups that were frequently mocked, but in a way that is mostly self aware parody, aged pretty well.
Mel Brooks
aged pretty well
Some stuff, yeah, but then you have Blazing Saddles. Woof.
Blazing Saddles is the epitome of Mel Brooks humor that has aged well. It’s an amazing satire of racism that is still on point for today (unfortunately).
Huh, I had the opposite reaction. I see your point about satirizing racism, but I couldn’t get past the gratuitous n-bombs every other line.
They are everywhere for a reason. The people who commonly drop n-bombs aren’t the heroes. Hell, the redemption of the town is that they’ll be less racist going forward.
Satirizing requires doing the thing being satirized, in this case racists being racist.
Tell me you don’t understand satire without saying you don’t understand satire.
If that’s what you got from my comment, you really shouldn’t be participating in this comment thread. Please leave the conversations for the grownups in the room, thanks.
All the grownups that downvoted you for being objectively wrong?
So many things, too many to count. Been revisiting things pretty regularly with my partner and the ones that don’t make me cringe are really rare. Things I adore are unwatchably sexist, homophobic, transphobic, or creepy.
I rewatched the usual suspects for the upteenhundreth time, I think it lost a little bit of its magic. Michael Baldwins character is just a bit too camera hungry and angry for me, some of the scenes have just lost their luster. It’s still a 9/10, but after 20 years I think it’s no longer my 10/10 go to for a guaranteed love rewatch movie. It hurts. Have I become jaded?
I haven’t seen it in so long, I only remember one thing about it. Yup. THAT thing. We should look it up one of these days. Thanks for the reminder!
gilmore girls
after a few re-watches i realized what a terrible person lorelai is, making it hard to watch
You should refer to her as her nickname, Rory, since they’re both Lorelei.
Im only 1 season in but she comes off pretty airheaded and undecided, whats your take?
and selfish. borderline narcissistic
I’m watching a lot of old sitcoms and that’s a pretty common characteristic. Seems like there’s always multiple characters lying and manipulating their loved ones for relatively insignificant reasons. At the end we all have a few laughs and think that’s normal.
I’ve avoided rewatching Ace Ventura Pet Detective due to the transphobia
I recall in Boston Legal, William Shatner’s character said he liked Trump (this was before his presidency) and that has made me less interested in a rewatch
What happened in Ace Ventura Pet Detective?
Practically the whole movie is a trans joke. I rewatched it years ago and was so bummed out.
There’s a woman who is revealed to be trans and a bunch of guys start dry-heaving upon learning this information
Not defending the joke, but they were dry heaving because it’s implied that she made out with everyone on the police force, including Ace. Thinking about it that’s actually worse. Huh.
Having not seen the scene until recently by coincidence, based on the description, I thought it was more like an “incels can’t handle this” joke, but then saw it and saw it was used as the smoking gun for an embarrassing guilty verdict. It definitely has “this movie director has an axe to grind” vibes.
Not to mention Ace Ventura’s too-long scene of showering, burning his clothes, using a plunger to make himself throw up etc. So you kissed someone you didn’t know was trans, grow up.
I never got the puking scene at the end of Ace Ventura as a kid. I still don’t really do. Always loved that movie but that is just too much.
It’s an homage (or whatever you would call it) to The Crying Game iirc.
I thought it was implying that all of those men had made out with her.
Yes. My interpretation is that the above person knew that, but they didn’t think it was even a remotely funny joke, not that they didn’t understand what the implication was.
Indeed. And that encourages a “trans people are icky” sentiment.
I used to enjoy The Six Million Dollar Man as a kid. Tried watching it a few years ago but I could stand the high-pitch music that seemed to always be playing.
The opening to Full Metal Jacket hasn’t, uh, hasn’t aged well.
