Tesla “shareholders” clearly don’t have the interests of their company in mind if they’re approving a 56 billion dollar compensation package for their “CEO.”
Tesla shareholders are preparing for a big short or something.
We’re living in a new age of personality cults.
We really are
When a dragon hoards the people’s gold, the solution isn’t to give it more gold.
How is this company still so valuable.
I would buy literally any other electric car than a Tesla.
There’s a big difference between the market capitalization and book value. Tesla’s stock is probably way overvalued but I can’t say for sure since I don’t own any of their stock and haven’t looked into their financials.
They have the premier charging network in the United States.
Unfortunately, nothing else comes close and probably won’t for a few years… Like 10 years at least. The US is probably a decade behind Europe’s electrification at this point, and about 75 years behind it’s rail electrification.
They have a huge head start. And their battery tech is top notch even if the rest of the vehicle is poorly build.
I’d personally never buy one either, for multiple reasons, but most people don’t care/know about the shitty build quality, the shitty ai and the scummy locking features down remotely when you sell the car.
Is the battery tech that good though? Genuinely don’t know.
Seems other manufacturers have a huge head start in every other area of manufacturing cars and even if they still lag behind on battery tech, it won’t be long before they catch up on this one metric, whereas Tesla would have to catch up on every other metric.
It is. Their cooling / heating system along with the battery is top notch. Others are catching up though.
And yes in terms of fit and build quality most actual car manufacturers are ahead.
Of course you also have Ford an ICE manufacturer that’s been building cars for centuries and still manages to produce shit with awful QA and constant recalls.
The battery is sourced from Ganfeng Lithium, CATL, Panasonic, and/or LG Chemical. The majority actually comes from CATL. The world’s leading EV battery manufacturer. Various automakers work with them. The cells arrive at the automakers manufacturing and all they do is pack it into a case. The statement they have leading battery tech is disingenuous. No matter which automaker you look at, they’re using the same cells from the same sources.
Due to a bunch of political mess with China, both CATL and automakers are trying to get around it. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/catl-talks-with-tesla-global-automakers-us-licensing-wsj-reports-2024-03-25/
Lastly, Tesla isn’t ahead. China is. It’s why automakers are going to them. Credit where it’s due, Tesla did push for EV adoption outside of China. But that’s about it.
Hey OP here, thanks for pointing this out to me as I had no clue if the other person was right or not.
Most battery tech is just lithium ion batteries wired in series, like 80 laptop batteries. They regulate the temps so that the batteries don’t degrade too fast. Battery tech hasn’t changed much in decades, so you will see the same problems on your phone battery on car batteries. So, no, Tesla battery tech isn’t special.
I recently heard china is the first to manufacture sodium ion batteries for their consumer EVs. Sodium is supposed to be better, but I forget why.
IIRC, the reason sodium batteries would be better is we have abundant stocks of sodium, whereas the raw materials for most other batteries are limited and require more destructive mining. John Oliver just covered some of this on his show last Sunday. If that tech can be improved, hopefully there won’t be any deep sea mining for more raw materials!
Thanks for providing these details.
I guess Tesla really has nothing going for them now, other than investors want to get their money back and so the MSM isn’t going to portray the truth.
That’s not true, Tesla has figured out manufacturing and does so profitably. Unlike any other American based car manufacturer, Tesla is making a profit per unit and they do not rely on legacy ice vehicle sales to prop their balance sheets up.
Sodium batteries are cheaper and less volatile I believe but they’re also much less energy dense meaning you need a heavier pack to get a similar amount of range (which also reduces range from the extra weight). I think they’re better suited for stationary applications like solar banks and other energy storage solutions.
Really dubious on the sodium ion batteries. Last I saw there were still issues with the technology, primarily battery life. Unless there were some breakthroughs thay went under the radar.
Sodium ion batteries are actually currently in production, and are in production vehicles by catl and other companies. There is an American and European company also commercializing the technology.
They are offering roughly 3,000 charge-discharge cycles, which is on par with lfp.
Battery technology for electric vehicles is moving super fast right now.
https://electrek.co/2023/12/27/volkswagen-backed-ev-maker-first-sodium-ion-battery-electric-car/
EV batteries are actually significantly different than the batteries in your laptop or phone, and are designed to have minimal degradation over many many years of use. The coolant loops also help to moderate the temperature between cells, which eliminates problems of hot spots and the heat stress that a phone battery will experience.
For instance, my car has over 300 battery cells in it, which results in say a 100 MI Drive will only use each cell draining by about 1/3. The much lower cyclic rate on these cells results in a much longer lifespan, and the battery conditioning using liquid coolant is how they achieve that.
It was 5 years ago. Other companies are catching up.
One place they aren’t catching up is non-SUV EVs. There are a few, but if you want an EV that isn’t an SUV with over 250mi range, and cross Tesla off the list, your options become real thin.
Options were really think to begin with. Muricans love their huge ugly boxes. The options are getting much better now. With a quick search I found ten sedans shapeable in the states and crossing off Tesla removed three.
But a lot of those sedans have range around 120mi, like the Mini EV or BMW i3. Many of the one’s that remain are luxury brands with luxury prices, like the BMW i7 or Porsche Taycan.
And you don’t consider tesla a luxury brand with luxury prices?
Compared to Porsche, or BMWs over an i3 size? No.
I specifically did a search for EVs with over 250 mile range, because that was your qualifier.
I’m sure there are more than 10 sedan models available in the united states, did you look at Mercedes and bmw? They should have a few models.
Isn’t it just a standard Panasonic 18650? And aren’t they changing their batteries to a Chinese brand?
Looks like only the S and X still use 18650s. The 3 and Y are using larger 2170 cells and apparently they’re also buying from LG not just Panasonic.
Dumber than a box of rocks.
What are the performance targets? And does the value of the package depend on share price?
Dumber than a bag of wet bags.
Imagine if they had instead hired 500,000 people on $100,000 each. They could have bought the entire city of Detroit and had it making Teslas, instead they’ve got one coked up narcissist.
Musk is not getting billions worth salary. You can’t hire 500,000 people using his package. Unless you believe that these workers should be eating shares instead of food.
It’s still incredibly stupid to dilute your own votes and give him more votes…
They could also sell shares to raise money to hire more people…
Moving goalposts now?
I’ve read that all they’re doing is diluting the current shares, so in essence the current shareholders are screwing themselves over by devaluing their own shares.
Pretty dumb
Even if the shares drop by 90% of their value after distribution and liquidation, that’s still 50,000 people you could pay 100,000.
Lol, ook.
Bruh, it’s just basic math.
facepalm
You can offer shares to employees to supplement salary, its very common. It could be used to attract or retain staff by offering less salary but a larger overall package than their rivals and tie in the employees for a period of time till the shares vest.
Yeah, but not 500,000 of them.
Much more than one though.
Once the shares vest then he can get the money. The point still stands, just not immediately.
The point doesn’t stand, because you can’t get 500,000 people.
Why not? People once believed that you couldn’t get $56b just for one person.
There is currently a huge labor shortage in the united states, particularly for engineers and skilled craft and trades people. There’s no fucking way they would be able to hire 10,000, let alone 500,000 people. Hell, my company has had two engineering positions open for 2 years and we have had zero applicants. Zero!
Everybody just wants to be retired or be a social media influencer these days, with that amazing side hustle as a door dasher.
It is a hard labor market, but we’ve been able to hire engineering positions. If you’re not getting applicants, get a better recruiter.
The real issue is our backwards immigration system. We should be expanding immigration when labor is short, not talking about restrictions. If they wanted, they could lobby for better immigration with that $56B instead of giving it to someone who already has hundreds of billions.
Also, many Teslas aren’t built in the US anyway, so there’s not much stopping them from looking elsewhere for labor.
Ok, imagine the following scenario. Tesla decides not to pay Musk and hire all these people instead. Would you join the workforce? They will give you share options with a three year vesting period and zero salary. Go on, join them on these conditions!
Stupid fucks must share in his assholian philosophy
I mean you have to be pretty stupid to believe in Tesla at this point. When was the last time they came out with a new car? Not counting the Cyberrust.
I think they would have a decent future if they dropped this guy. His personal “brand” used to bring a lot of value and attention but now it’s just an anchor weighing all these companies down.
I think I’d calculated this out to $34000 per unit sold last year.
That’s nucking futs.
He’s already tanked their credibility with normal people, keeping the musk fanclub onboard is all they have left.
“early” voting implies theres another round of voting. Correct?
Why would anyone need that much money.
Elon provides invaluable support to the company and deserves to be compensated for . . . hahaha, no I can’t write that with a straight face.
Don’t worry, it will trickle down.
To buy the next website that people are making fun of him on.
Then they are completely retarded idiots. I look forward to seeing them lose more money
I can only assume they are somehow expecting a cut or kickback from this, I can’t think of anything he’s done in the last 10 years that was actually good for the company. You have to live under a rock, or more accurately in an echo chamber, to believe someone like this is good for the profitability of a company, let alone deserves that many zeros.
What a complete joke that company is
I’m glad to hear he won’t “lose interest” in working now. I can’t wait to see his next big plan after the industry dominating cyber truck.
I should ask my boss for $56 billion so I don’t lose interest in working
Spoiler alert: it mostly involves shit-posting on Twitter, and sexually harassing his employees.
I’ll do that for them for the princely sum of $10 million. Bargain!
If you are looking to subcontract some of that workload, I only need 1 mil to talk shit online
I give dirty looks for $25k. Subcontract your subcontract.
For $10k, I will make vague sexual innuendos.
Idk, 56 billion buckaroos would instantly make me “lose interest” in working. Permanently.
Hell, I’d permanently lose interest in working for a measly $55 billion.
Don’t undervalue yourself
It should eliminate your need to work, but Musk feeds on the attention and less so the money. There’s not a thrill left he can’t afford.
Running around and acting important is all he has left.
Approximately 4-6 million to live on the interest for the rest of my life. That’s all it would take and I’m out forever.
Asking for another paycheck since they are so soft?
I could totally see Tesla reincorporation in Texas and then the board putting another pay package up for a vote out of spite.
He’ll start a recycling company to recycle the shitty cyber trucks when they break down or when people get rid of them because they’re shit.
It has been cringe in the extreme to watch them debate whether they are giving their babyman chieftain enough billions to appease him.
No but you see he is a visionary! A real life Tony Stark!! He’ll do great things with that money like… Making
TwitterX likes private for some reason…? I’m sure that cost a lot of money somehow /sYeah that 500b company printing money and disrupting the entire transportation industry. What 👏 a 👏 joke 👏 lol.
They just gave a compensation package to their CEO that’s worth more than all the profit they’ve ever made. It’s absolutely a joke
If true, I wish I could give you more than my sad one up-vote.
Yeah they have like $30B all time profit, about half of which was last year though
Apparently it’s now 444B, lol
To be clear this isn’t official results, this is what musk is projecting.
But the only think the big holders care about is their return rates. And they know Tesla is waaaaaaay overvalued. It’s all based on hype.
So would Tesla be a better company free of musk?
Undoubtedly.
But they don’t care about that. Musk hype drove the stock price up, no real company would be so overvalued. Without continued hype, the price goes down, which might cause a run on the stock and might end the company.
musk is Tesla. And it’s why the company will be nothing but hype. Doesn’t matter if the company loses money as long as stock price keeps going up.
Making quality vehicles isnt their business model, it’s keeping the stock price up.
Yeah at this point it’s a question of when the hype ends and it all comes tumbling down. There’s nothing but investor sentiment holding the price where it’s at.
Year over year revenue is down 50%, consistently for several quarters. Three missed quarterly estimates in a row.
The smart money is moving to catch the Nvidia bubble.
Exactly that.
With the current ceo, it’s been hyped beyond value.
One day, the value will return to the actual value.
If the ceo is changed, it will happen pretty rapidly, then the company can grow from there.
If the ceo is not changed, the hype will continue until either a breaking point, or the ceo changing.
So the shareholders have voted for the thing that preserves the status quo a little longer. Road-runner as it is.
And the ceo seems to have managed to extract a large chunk of the current hype money, in exchange for not changing the status quo.
