• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Entirely unsurprising. But invading a blue city is the kind of thing that gives those with the authoritarian mental illness rock-hard erections.

    Helping people? Fuck that noise. We want to brandish our penis compensation devices and bust some heads! Time to own the libz!

  • buttnugget@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Kind of like the new ICE budget. I remember seeing a tweet from some right wing lunatic saying they didn’t care if it costs a trillion dollars, deport every single undocumented immigrant. They’ve always had an endless budget for things like war and terror.

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      Not just cruelty. Someone else in another thread pointed out this is exactly what you would do if you’re afraid of a civil war. Now, you’ve got an easily defended government center, and a large amount of people out in the streets that any opposing force will have to fight through in order to get to any of the governmental buildings (though really, we’re only caring about the WH). Additionally, you have an oceanfront escape route if shit goes poorly.

  • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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    I’m very supportive out housing the homeless as a fix, but to be clear math is on a per-day basis, it isn’t some sort of long term fix.

    I hate these stupid math headlines that don’t actually make any sense.

    Current deployment costs are around $1.1 million per day, housing all of those people in shelters at $45 per person works out to something like $250,000 per day.

    This math calculation entirely ignores the fact that there aren’t enough shelters to actually do that.

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      When communist were forced on Poland by soviets in 1945 one of their tasks for the next decade (that continued until 1980 collapse) was to build houses and give it to people. Other tasks were less nice like killing opposition, but housing was indeed how they decided to spent the resources.

      US could start a massive communal housing programm on federal budget. They chose not to.

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        We don’t even need to build housing. That’s the worst part.

        We just need to outlaw landlords.

        “But no one will purchase our valueable real estate and we lose money by keeping it!”

        And what happens when you have a supply of housing that far exceeds demand? Well if it’s an actual functioning economy the cost of housing decreases. The ifs are doing a lot of fucking lifting in this idea though.

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      Would other costs go down over time? Housed people don’t need emergency healthcare nearly as much, and with a permanent address that would open doors to a lot of things.

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      It’s a simplistic calculation, but it does seem that often doing the right thing ends up cheaper in the long run. It just doesn’t benefit certain groups, so it’s not an option. If a million a day was applied to not just pay for sheltering, but to find solutions there wouldn’t be a problem to throw authoritative measures at, or use as a reason to tighten security and control. They don’t want to fix the problem, it works for them.

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        They will happily spend $10, $20, $40, $100 from the working class to put even an extra penny in the hands of the capitalist class

        Michael Parenti talking about American empire and it’s cost to the workers in the imperial core.

        Which is fitting because I believe he also said (or he quoted someone that did)

        Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards.

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      Ok what about we increase the budget 4x? We can put each homeless person in hotel for $180 a day. The hotel shareholders would be happy too.

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        Trump’s deployment of the National Guard to Washington, DC costs more than 4 times as much as it would cost to simply house every homeless person in the city according to researcher Hanna Homestead.

        It’s a very fitting name for the researcher.

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    countless after countless studies showed UBI will eliminate homelessness and wasteful bureaucracy to keep watch of welfare recipients and cheats

    Everyone: Nah, we don’t do that here.

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    People say these facts, but not the base fact that all these facts prove which is that this lifestyle and the narrative created is completely bullshit and we are being farmed. That’s our reality but it’s so fucked up nobody wants to believe it.

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    I think the top 2 comments i see ascribing this to ‘hate’ and ‘cruelty’ are missing the point. This literally is better for the capitalists’ bottom line. This can be entirely attributed to profit. The threat of violence (homelessness, etc) that the working class is kept precipitously close to powers this whole machine. If everybody was housed the threat of poverty would have less material consequence. Cruelty is not the point, in this case. Neither hate. Simply profit. Which in many ways is much more cold and insidious

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      2 months ago

      I get what you’re saying, and I agree.

      however I’ve also justified this by defining hate and cruelty as the method through which they achieve profit.

      so to me, the message is the same

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    Yeah but with that 4x budget they get to look like what they think is cool, they get to be openly racist fucks and they get to enact their cruel fantasies!

    Money all worth!

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    Can someone explain to me, seriously…

    why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences? I mean, he is clearly addled and his entire administration is provenly grifting America- Why is no one demanding that he step down?

    This seriously is the end of the road for me when it comes to making enough sense of any of this that that at least resembles a modicum of logic and rationality. At this point, I just can’t understand anything beyond why this isn’t a thing, and if it is,

    what are they waiting for?

    • ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      I keep seeing Americans post things like this. There’s no one coming to save you.

      The American people are the ones who need to be making those demands. The government should fear the people, not the other way around. Isn’t this scenario exactly why there’s the second amendment?

      Sorry to say that this problem has been allowed to progress to the point where it will be neither convenient nor easy to solve. It’s going to take consistent collective action.

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        I’m sorry, but do you actually understand what a concentration camp is and how permanent death is? No disrespect, but I see so many Canadians on here confused why we aren’t fighting harder. Plenty of us are. But maybe it’s the privilege of not knowing true American Police brutality with chemical weapons and actual lead bullets.

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          Yes, obviously I know those things.

          I’m speaking about the population as a whole, not you as an individual. Of course there are people who are fighting the good fight daily, many of them working behind the scenes. I’m not talking about them.

          I’m talking about the people asking why no one is doing anything. The ones who haven’t realized they need to join others and take action. The ones who think they just need to wait this out and vote.

          Everyone has their own circumstances, privileges, skills, resources, ethics, etc. Everyone can resist in some way or another. I won’t claim that many of these ways don’t require some personal risk or sacrifice, but to imply that all of them will be met with police brutality is not only false, but serves to make people feel hopeless and give up.

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      why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences?

      There is, it’s called impeachment followed by a vote to remove. That vote can’t pass without Republicans joining in, and they likely won’t.

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        They were called voters. They don’t matter anymore, you’re gonna see any potential for voters to influence things get removed by extensive and massive gerrymandering.

        IMO, y’all just had your last ‘real’ election.

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          Gerrymandering only applies to the house of representatives. It has no bearing on presidential or Senate elections.

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        Yeahs this is why I am usually responding to things like this saying that it was all avoidable. 91 million people stayed home and didn’t bother.

        That’s what caused this. I not wish there was a way out for those that did their part.

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          (…) it was all avoidable.

          It really wasn’t. Everything in American politics for long years has been leading to this point. It was always bound to happen, sooner or later. Sure, by choosing another president you could have potentially delayed it by a few years. But later it would have happened anyway. This is not a ‘Trump issue’. This is a ‘USA issue’.

          I think Americans are the only ones who haven’t seen this coming. And I don’t mean that in a hostile way. Your education system has been sabotaged for decades, so it’s no wonder the people are uninformed and ignorant to what’s going on. The only ones to blame are the psychopathic politicians and billionaires who deliberately made this happen over the last 200 years.

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            Fair point, but I was more meaning on the more recent and shorter term angle. I do agree wholeheartedly though.

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      The people. Americans. That’s what we’re waiting on.

      the issue is unlike other nations in the world American law enforcement and the military will NOT hesitate to point a tank barrel in your face and pull the trigger. They are MORE than willing to fly the air force over some random town in Ohio and turn it into a parking lot. In places like France the people can riot for being told that Paper should not be thrown in the recycling bin anymore because French Authorities aren’t going to start a mass slaughter of their people, American authorities on the other hand have very little regard for their fellow man.

      I was one of those Canadians wondering “why aren’t the people fighting back?” but now I get it. Chances are if the American people start fighting back a good massive chunk of them will be killed. So the question now is are the American people willing to literally DIE for their country? I don’t blame a single one of them if they answer “no.”

      Because lets be honest here why throw your life away for a country that has already turned it’s back on you WELL before a Nazi wannabe dictator took office. Make no mistake Americans were STILL struggling under Democratic leadership. So I don’t blame them. They’re tired, they’re all barely surviving, their healthcare is tied directly to their employment (by design). Systems have been building and put in place for decades to ensure they DON’T rebel. Most Americans live paycheque to paycheque. The healthcare they do pay out the ass for is already pretty shitty. So fighting for ones country means you and your family no longer eat, no longer have a place to sleep, no longer have healthcare. again, this is by design.

      If you’ve ever wondered how other Dictatorships in the world took power, this is how, this is EXACTLY how. Leverage already established systems, crank them a bit more, take and hold power.

      The cards have been MASSIVELY stacked against the American people for a good long while now. Frankly, rebelling isn’t an option. Like Oliver they now have to hold their wooden bowls infront of Furor Trump and ask “Please sir, may I have another?”

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      Millions of people are demanding that Trump step down or be removed. A large portion of the country still wants him in office. Al Green proposed impeachment and the house voted it down 344 to 79. Most people in authority do not want to remove Trump. The time to stop him was last November.

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        Vance has no cult power . I’d trade for that asshelmet in a second. Watch how fast all Americans lose cohesion and interest when their fav icon detonates.

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          Maybe not with the idiots at the base, but do the people implementing 2025 really care at this point?
          Besides your voters vote for the letter next to the name anyway.

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      The only people with the power to decide he is unfit are all in congress, and playing a “my team vs your team” game. I’m assuming they think they’ll look bad or weak or like traitors and are not willing to actually do it, or there are simply two distinct realities people live in, and in one of them he is perfectly fit to do the job.

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        There needs to be a contingency. There’s no way we can go on with this. As long as you have the house and the senate, you’re above the law?

        Someone needs to step in.