• Admiral Patrick@dubvee.org
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    Considering a lot of us are here from the Rexodus and have cake days coming up (or recently passed): Happy cake day.

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    Linux will never be a home operating system for most people. It will not even come close to windows or Mac. It is not user friendly, it is not supported by the VAST majority of home use software and it has too many distros. No one wants to get with an OS when the first question is which version. The learning curve is too steep and when stuff goes wrong it is way harder to find and solve.

    It’s nice that yall like it but the amount of forceful shoving of Linux on lemmy is hysterical knowing how no one listens.

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      The discussions on Lemmy were exactly what made me try out Linux, and now I’m an avid Linux’er. +1 for Linux.

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      This kind of self-fulfilling prophecy is what will drive down even more support for Linux. The thing we need to do right now is to let more people try out Linux so that corporations will see Linux as a potential target on the desktop and make products for Linux, not the opposite like what you are saying.

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        Me: Linux won’t work because Linux people push it too hard despite it having multiple downsides in comparison to the more widely used OS

        You: NO, YOU JUST NEED TO USE LINUX

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          You: “Linux will never be a popular OS.”

          Him: “I think it actually can be if we --”

          You: “WERE YOU NOT LISTENING?!”

          It’s fitting that you used a gif of Riker before he grew the beard.

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            Funny how I literally quoted the part of my post that was relevant and you still blindly ignored it. Blind subservience… Gotta be a Linux fanboy

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      To lump my own personal bitch onto this: liking a thing and bringing it up regardless of conversation or context isn’t a personality

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      not supported by the VAST majority of home use software

      Just want to say most people only need a browser, and it’s only going to continue on that path. That’s why ChromeOS works.

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      Agreed, I don’t get the argument for using Linux beyond vague “windows bad” hand waving. Frankly, having to use computers probably every hour of my waking life for work and entertainment, I find nothing wrong with windows, or Mac OS. Or iOS or iPad OS beyond just the idiosyncratic annoyances each OS brings to the table. Is there any tangible reason Linux is superior to all the other OSs out there beyond it being open source? Also how is being open spurce objectively a benefit?

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        Privacy/no data mining is (frankly) a huge deal and a major problem in modern society is that this is not valued at all. To me, this is really analogous to the climate crisis in the sense that we’ve known about the impending climate crisis for decades and no one valued it till we got to the point of no return/crisis point. I really cannot emphasise what a big deal it is to value your data/information/privacy.

        Other than that, Linux really is a functional OS and there will be other benefits like multiple desktop styles to choose from, the possibility to do more advanced things if you need to (if learn how), the OS is virus-free, better performance (because the computer doesn’t need to work so hard on your OS and can spend that energy on other things), giving life to old hardware that Windows no longer supports (and saving your money as well as the planet from thr e-waste), the importance of a choice the market is not monopolised by predator corporate giants. There will be loads more benefits, but those a a few to begin with.

        It also has downsides (as mentioned above).

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        Doesn’t it use less system resources?

        When Windows 10 isn’t supported anymore, better to use Linux than have an unsecure computer or buy a new computer.

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          For me windows uses 3-5gb of ram on idle just after starting up. This is pretty consistent across multiple computers for me. On the same computers (I dual-boot on both my laptop and desktop) Linux idles at about 800mb-1.2gb. This was even true on KDE which was one of the “heavier” feature-rich desktop environments. I think Gnome might have been 1.5gb ish but I haven’t used in a while. Either way, it used way less RAM than my windows installs which could noticeably impact some resource intensive programs like blender or davinci resolve

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      As someone with decision paralysis and executive dysfunction issues, this is true for me. I’m probably more than capable of using it for a daily driver but there are 5000 flavors and I will likely never be able to make a solid choice until one is obviously vastly superior in some way I need.

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        How is it that you can’t make a solid choice ?

        You literally just diagnosed yourself with two made up medical conditions as if you’re an experienced, licensed, and practicing physician.

        So I think maybe you can make a choice 🤣 Jesus lol

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          Why recommend Gnome as a windows alternative? Surely KDE is a much better option if you’re trying to make a windows user feel more familiar with the interface.

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            I’m a KDE user right now. While I love KDE, I find that it breaks way too easily when you customize it. And there’s way,way too many customization options to a point that it becomes overwhelming. I can waste hours trying to customize something, roll back, break KDE, reset my KDE environment, try again, etc. And between KDE users, the desktop will almost never be the same which can lead to issues when they ask for support from a friend or something.

            In gnome, what you see is what you get. You can just focus on your work or your activity. And because there’s less customisation options, you get pretty much the same desktop experience across multiple users. So if I go to a friend’s place and they also it Ubuntu with Gnome, I’m almost certain to have the same desktop experience as mine

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            Nah. There’s a lot of nerds on here. They are over overrepresented. Normal folks and older users who don’t have time to fuck around use Ubuntu.

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          My Ubuntu on a SBC for a workshop just killed itself on Monday. Had it for a few months, new SBC, fresh Ubuntu install, 0 customization, just using it occasionally for Chromium. It popped up a new version -Minotaur or something- was out, so I said sure upgrade. It gave an error for bash near the end, then bricked itself. Now i gotta dig out SD cards and find a new distro.

          Fuck Ubuntu. Ends in misery every single time.

          And no I don’t want any recommendations.

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            Well that’s like a single anecdotal experience out of hundreds of thousands who had no problem. And it’s more probable to run into problems when using non-LTS versions.

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        My post (on my other lemmy account before I switched this one to my main) sharing a video by a youtuber that said some open source software was badly designed in terms of UI and how it could be improved received so much hostility that I got fed up and ended up deleting it

        It wasn’t even a negative video, my post wasn’t even negative

        What was the point of sharing it if people just react hostile towards it even though you shared it in good faith

        The bad design with some open source software is why I don’t use some of them and why I haven’t installed Linux as a dual boot operating system yet

        I use blender and krita because they have good designs with the gui and its catered towards the user using the software in this case creatives

        Gimp however and other badly designed open source software don’t cater GUI towards the user demographics that would be using them

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      There’s no harm in telling people about Linux though. The majority of people who can figure out the fediverse probably have the requisite technical skills to figure out Linux. Yeah I agree it’ll never be a home OS for most people, but also many homes don’t even have a PC at all anymore.

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        This, today PC means laptop, that’s what almost everyone who has a PC uses, most people do with just a tablet though. 95% of the garbage people use the internet for can be done on a mid range smart phone. The people who need high powered desktop devices or use them for entertainment are already a minority in the market for computing devices. The largest chunk of OS marketshare is decided by business purchases, not individual PC owners.

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        There is a large difference between telling someone and then getting mass downvoting anyone who dares oppose Linux while throwing a hissyfit and claiming that Linux is the greatest thing since oxygen. Lemmy is on the latter, not the former.

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      You are wrong. The reason that linux isn’t popularvis that windows comes preinstalled in computers and most people don’t know how to install an operating system pet along what an operating system is. Linux is dead easy nowadays, ao.much that my tech illiterate parents can use it, spread misinformation elsewhere

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      but… our Lord and Savior… Linus… Torvalds. Seriously though- I love Linux, but I also have a lot of free time to tinker and play with an OS. I understand some people don’t care about that.

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      That link led me to a thread on /generaldiscussion where a user posted about how they want their teacher to dominate them sexually.

      We really need to figure out a canonical way of linking to content in the fediverse.

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        I think that was the intent. OP is also the OP of that thread lmao. Maybe he also just wants us to know?

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          Oh shit. I assumed it wasn’t working properly since I’ve seen too many examples of linking not working

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            I’ve never seen a problem with links not going to the right post.

            But there is a problem that you can create a link to a community that will be visible via a user’s home instance. Here’s an example:

            !world@lemmy.world

            Any user, no matter where, will get hyperlinked to a “local” view of that community via their own instance.

            But there’s no analogous syntax to create compatible links for posts. If you just slap an URL in, it links directly to the view of the post on the instance that was linked to.

            I know that it’s possible to do this mechanically, because the Firefox “Instance Assistant for Lemmy & Kbin” addon adds a button in the sidebar of posts on remote instances to “view this post on your home instance”, and it works. But there’s no native syntax in lemmy or kbin to generate a link for someone else’s client to do that.

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              But there’s no analogous syntax to create compatible links for posts. If you just slap an URL in, it links directly to the view of the post on the instance that was linked to.

              Yeah that’s my problem. Compounded with the fact that the instance will try to load its own version of the link which may end up somewhere completely different. There’s a decent chance it’s an issue with Jerboa as well on my end. I think the only reason it actually worked here was because the weirdo I was responding to is on the same instance as me.

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                Compounded with the fact that the instance will try to load its own version of the link which may end up somewhere completely different.

                …I don’t see how.

                If someone links to a post on a remote instance, your home instance won’t rewrite the URL to point at a local view of the post. It’ll just have a link to that remote instance.

                Like, the problem that should come up isn’t that you see something random, but rather that you’re not on your home instance, which is obnoxious.

                If you’re manually copying post IDs and changing the instance name, yeah, that won’t work.

                There’s a decent chance it’s an issue with Jerboa as well on my end.

                I mean, maybe Jerboa tries rewriting URLs itself and there’s some kind of bug, I guess. I could be wrong, but the last time I was using Jerboa, which was some time back, I think that it might have opened them in my web browser instead of the client.

                checks to see what Eternity does

                It looks like Eternity goes to the remote instance, but does so in Eternity.

                The Firefox addon does it flawlessly, in my experience, so I can’t imagine that there’s any kind of great complexity in the mapping.

                I don’t know if there’s a way to link, in a universal way, to your home instance’s view of a comment, though. Just a post. The Firefox addon can’t do that.

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    the main lemmy developers are evil people, and they also admin the lemmy.ml instance. Stay away. other lemmy instances are admired well enough, but look for a mbin instance just to give the lemmy devs less power.

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          I see that there is a lot of posts removed due to breaking Rule 1, but I can’t see what community you posted to to check what rule they claimed you violated.

          Please tell me what community you posted in so I can look at the rules and form an unbiased oppinion.

          I did find other posts about how lemmy.world admins are terrible, but so far I have only seen anecdotes either way, and untill there are proven trends that tells me otherwise, I will refrain from bashing either side.

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            Check the mod log yourself. I don’t know how to link it, but it doesn’t take long to find an on topic comment with a ‘right wing’ slant removed in my experience. If right wing comments break rule 1 then I don’t want to be a part of anyplace with rule 1.

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            Supposedly the modlog is being altered to remove the rejection reasons so that the posts are removed, but via database alterations rather than the traditional process, so a very serious accusation of deceptive admin practices. Someone would need to be running their own instance to see this, and get to the modlog quickly enough, and take screenshots both before and after the event - which reportedly has happened, as described in the comments section of that post.

            Separately, regardless of whether the modlog itself is being abused, those admins are reportedly also banning people from communities that they have never commented in, for comments made in other communities. That is a lot easier to see happening, bc the record is retained in that case. And tbh that might even be understandable for reasons of spam or promoting violence or some such, but for merely disagreeing with the statement it is a rather extreme response that represents an abuse of admin power.

            Those admins write the Lemmy code - they are worthy of respect for that no matter what. However, they are losing trust in their ability to administer an instance in anything close to a fair manner (vaguely similar to Ernst and Kbin).

            I realize that it’s a lot of comments, and it is now spreading to be discussed in multiple posts - e.g. our comments here as well as the linked one - but the screenshots are available if you want to view them. Or indeed, look at the raw modlogs themselves, for the second but not the first issue. You don’t need the community name btw, just OP’s name and the instance (Lemmy.ml) should be sufficient, here this will get you started: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2502607.

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      Currently, lemmyverse.net doesn’t appear to be indexing mbin servers, which is a drawback for finding communities on them. It isn’t indexing all kbin servers, either, and the kbin results are only available via the hamburger menu, not mixed in with the lemmy results.

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        Mbin is not lemmy. It interoperates with lemmy but is otherwise different. Thus they strictly should not. Though you can make an arguement they should, it is the decision of the site owners and so while I think they should index mbin I won’t fault them for not.

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          Mbin is not lemmy.

          No, but how many users out specifically want results from one instance type? I can imagine that someone might, but I’m pretty sure that virtually everyone is agnostic.

          I don’t think that the lemmyverse.net guys are opposed to it. They did put in kbin support (though it seems to be partly broken ATM). I just think that it hasn’t been updated. And that makes it hard for mbin communities to get visibility.

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    Erh… yes… ehm… fine weather today, right?

    I awkardly gaze to the ground while I wait for the elevator to arrive at the right floor.

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    Nuclear power plants won’t help solve the climate crisis.

    They take too long to build.
    While the risk of a catastrophic failure is very low, its effects are so bad they can’t be included in any sensible risk assessment.
    They prolong the dependence on energy companies that are too big too fail and can therefore blackmail the government.
    They depend on enormous amounts of water for cooling, at a time when rivers frequently get too warm for that due to climate change.
    They run on a non-renewable fuel source that is imported from politically instable countries.
    And when you include the cost of building them, insuring them, dismantling them and dealing with their waste, they’re simply not economical.
    The only way to run them is with massive subsidies and unconditional securities from the state. I.e. tax money being funnelled to big corporations.

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      This highlights issues with using capitalism and some human mindsets

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        Honestly if the UK can spend a couple of decades with half a hiroshimas worth of high explosives sitting unguarded within sight of London I think a nuclear facility with actual security will be fine.

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        Wtf are you talking about? Nuclear power facilities are freaking huge and have top notch security. You ain’t getting anywhere near any place you could ever do any damage. And since everybody who’s supposed to be there needs clearance, it’s easy to have strict security protocols in place. Anybody who isn’t supposed to be there or takes anything in or out they aren’t supposed to is identified easily and taken care of.

        Any nuclear facility is more worried about espionage than any kind of attack. Even if you are able to bomb a part of it, worst case it will be shutdown for repairs for a while and maybe kill a dozen or so people who are near the bomb as it goes off. Something like a crowded square in a city centre is a much easier target for terrorism and probably has more impact in the causing fear department than bombing some energy facility.

        So no, denying nuclear power based on fear of terrorism isn’t only unfounded, it’s also exactly what the terrorists want. Fuck them guys, don’t give in to fear.

        And in case you don’t know: a nuclear power plant is not a nuclear bomb, it can’t become a nuclear bomb and it doesn’t contain any materials to create a nuclear bomb. Just because they both contain the word nuclear and work on a fission principle, doesn’t mean they are the same thing.

        (I blame the recent Chernobyl series for fueling the fear of nuclear once again. You should know that whilst it is a good series, it is not a documentary and they dropped the ball hard on all the science parts)

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          These all are valid points. From the technological point of view nuclear technology is pretty safe and the margin of error is rather low. There are many redundant fail-save measurements to retain a save operation. But if something will happen, it will be devestating. Most famous incident is Chernobyl. Also, nuclear waste management is a huge issue. Not many (if any) locations for waste storage have the capability for eternal storage. The Asse II mine for instance is a former salt mine which has been re-purposed as a deep geological repository. It was supposed to last alt least several thousand years. After only 30 years of usage it has been detected that water seeps into the vault which leads to corrosion of the barrels filled with nuclear waste which will result already resulted in a release of radioactive elements. This is how the barrels were handled and stored. I am no expert but thirty years into almost eternity is a pretty bad figure.

          And there is another thing - and in my opinion this is a really serious one: Nucular power plants are operated by corporations within the private sector. This means that such a power plant is conducted with an economical focus (= profit). The incentive to make profit will result in skipping maintenance, bribing inspectors and downplaying any technical difficulties. Even when assumed that all the other issues (waste management etc.) are solved, every technical malfunction that resulted in the leakage of radioactive material woult be not be made public voluntarily. There were many incidents that have been made public, because the law required them to do so.. The hidden number of incidents that were not required to be made public is probably much higher.

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            Yes military targets, as are most energy production facilities. Any part of critical infrastructure is a prime military target. Just ask the people of Taiwan.

            This has nothing to do with terrorism and certainly isn’t a reason not to build them. Whatever replacement you have for them, would then become the target. This is common sense.

            I would also say that being energy independent is a deterrent to all out war, as it removes leverage one party may have over another. With a balanced field of power, total war becomes less likely.

            Also by the time Western Europe / Mainland US is under military assault and our allies can’t protect our critical infrastructure, we have much bigger concerns.

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      Nuclear plants as we have them today won’t help solve climate change. Nuclear plants don’t have to look that way though.

      https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nrc-certifies-first-us-small-modular-reactor-design

      There are other design concepts kicking around out there. A small enough, modular enough, self-contained enough reactor running off material so low-grade it’s not a viable terrorist target, plus a healthy dose of government subsidization and willingness to keep giant private utilities from gaining a monopoly. The political stars would have to align but it’s not impossible.

      I don’t see it happening in the US unless it somehow attracts the libertarian/rugged individual streak and ppl want to run their own local reactors so they can stay independent of The Man.

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        How long from “design concept” till enough are tested, certified and built to help combat climate change? We have about 20 years left to transform our energy sector if you’re optimistic. Building one with the old proven design takes about 15 years.

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          Building one with the old proven design takes about 15 years.

          Source? I’d say the median is closer to 8, 15 years is more like the worst 5-15% percentile.

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          The technical design was done in 2020. It took two years for the design to be approved by the US department responsible for approving such things and it will take until 2029 to get an actual plant approved and built. That’s why I said probably not in the US and only with a lot of political will.

          There’s no climate change solution that won’t take significant political will.

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            But there are solutions that simply require building more small units of something that’s been built in large numbers for the past decade.

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              Are you talking about nuclear or other as these “simply build smaller” solutions?

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                  Oh. Well, those also have resource constraints (hazardous and rare materials used in solar panels, batteries for both if that is method of storage), storage constraints (saving energy for when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing), economic constraints (still more expensive than burning coal and oil) and political constraints (people don’t want solar panels or wind turbines in their backyard + political will to stand up against oil and to offer incentives that make solar/wind financially viable).

                  Same themes as the challenges to nuclear.