Do you want to badly fuck up a society? Because that is how you badly fuck up a society.
There is something fundamentally fucked up in a country that arrests and puts in jail a 13 years old kid over a bad joke.
You don’t understand, they are brown \s
And strip-searched!
Without notifying parents
Oh I missed that bit. JFC she’s 13, right? How can police be so clueless about their own job… rhetorical question, I know the answer.
“clueless” thats pretty much what the leo jobs are.
The result of “no tolerance policies”.
Are schools not government organisations (in most cases) and would they not be subject to the first amendment?
The first amendment is not absolute - things like threats are not protected speech. Although I agree that in this instance there might be a case that her constitutional rights were violated, I suspect it would be dismissed as having been a justifiable action from the administration/police who “couldn’t ignore a credible threat” or something equally bullshit…
But can’t put the pedo convicted felon grifter behind bars…
With the help of artificial intelligence, technology can dip into online conversations and immediately notify both school officials and law enforcement.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.
But oh, that would mean having to pay somebody, at least some extra hours, in addition to the no doubt expensive software. JFC.
The cruelty is the point.
I hate how fully leapfrogged the conversation about surveillance was. It’s so disgusting that it’s just assumed that all of your communications should be read by your teachers, parents, and school administration just because you’re a minor. Kids deserve privacy too.
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The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings.
The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its ‘judgment’, to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities.
Of course, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn’t held accountable when they fuck up.
Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting
Alas, one can only dream
“no way to stop this” says the only country where this happens
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I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening.
I’m sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the residents can do none of those things?
Hospital staff.
I missed that part lol, mb
They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets?
The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings.
Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations.
I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits.
I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it.
I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot.
Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn’t be all that different.
Having worked in quite a few fields in the last 15 years or so, it’s the same active shooter training they give everyone. Even in stores that sell guns.
I’ll let the reader decide how fucked up it is that there’s basically a countrywide accepted “standard response”
Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits.
the policy is to stop school shootings
You should try Europe once. It’s more fun than your 3rd world country.
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I’d hope for better treatment, especially considering how many of our ancestors came from there pretty recently (obviously shouldn’t be a requirement, everyone should be allowed to live anywhere they wish). I’m planning to move there. Hope I don’t get treated like shit lol
Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous.
Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don’t have guns.
Yeah, they use knives instead.
This isn’t the flex you think it is.
Wasn’t intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil.
The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US.
If you think I’m trying to say the US is better… by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole.
My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they’ll just be replaced by something else.
The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd…
I’ll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi’s Castle referring to contestants as “Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies” and “Kamikaze Cousins”
A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but… sorry Lister, seems you can’t help but be a smeghead around the Japanese.
A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims.
Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though.
Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes?
Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders.
“Daily murder” is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it’s something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It’s easy for there to be a “daily murder” in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder.
Using “few” to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better.
Shame on you for this disingenuity.
Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it’s not like they were trying to actively misinform people.
That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting
I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it’s probably more than a few.
Authorities be like “aww shoot, not again.”
Arrested and strip-searched for a first offense? That’s fucking ridiculous. I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It’s the only peaceful tool we have to curb over-zealous law enforcement.
Before the morning was even over, the Tennessee eighth grader was under arrest. She was interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell, her mother says.
Earlier in the day, her friends had teased the teen about her tanned complexion and called her “Mexican,” even though she’s not. When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”
This is an ass-covering response to school shootings, because some of the shooters have expressed their intent before.
A strip search obviously isn’t necessary even if it’s a credible threat; a metal detector wand and basic pat down is more than enough to ensure someone doesn’t have a gun. This wasn’t a credible threat though, and a chat with the school counselor would have been the right way to handle this.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. I can see the need to take anything that resembles an actionable threat seriously, but that poor kid did not deserve to be abused by law enforcement like that.
Another school shooting avoided! Just kidding, we just tortured a child for fun.
Which kinda seems like a villain origin story to me.
My sense of humor is dry, dark, and absurdist. I’d go to jail every week for the sorts of things I joke about if I was a kid today. This is complete lunacy.
Example of an average joke on my part: speed up and run over that old lady crossing the street!
It makes my partner laugh. I laugh. We both know I don’t mean it. But a crappy AI tool wouldn’t understand that.
Something tells me that our type of jokes are on the way out bro. As you said, there’s no room for nuance in this story, so I’m afraid we’ll eventually all be listened in on 100% of the time until someone says something ‘actionable’. If you’re not already on a multitude of lists by now, you’re doing something wrong.
My understanding is those types of jokes are now en vogue, at least with Republicans. Wait, maybe it’s only wrong when they’re jokes, but it’s OK when the Republicans are serious about these things.
Depends on the complexion of the old lady crossing the street.
Nah, dark humor is like a child with cancer, it never gets old.
Yeah especially around middle school, the “darker” the “joke” the more funny it was
Just don’t allow an ai on the jury. If you are on a jury tell tpe judge you want the prosecuting lawyers disbarred for wasting your time.
Snapchat’s automated detection software picked up the comment, the company alerted the FBI, and the girl was arrested on school grounds within hours.
Someone should tell the kids about Signal.
As for monitoring on school computers, that seems OK to me if it’s disclosed to the students and parents in advance. What’s problematic is the responses, which seem much more focused on ass-covering than student welfare. I imagine most 13 year olds have made jokes about killing people once or twice and any adult with common sense would be able to tell they’re jokes.
In a country weary of school shootings, several states have taken a harder line on threats to schools. Among them is Tennessee, which passed a 2023 zero-tolerance law requiring any threat of mass violence against a school to be reported immediately to law enforcement.
The 13-year-old girl arrested in August 2023 had been texting with friends on a chat function tied to her school email at Fairview Middle School, which uses Gaggle to monitor students’ accounts.
- how to teach kids to be a good corpo zombie. On corporate/school chat you don’t chat otherwise you are sent to camp/prison /fired
- all of that monitoring for school shooting! What about banning gun that will be cheaper but yeah no ai software monitoring
Murica
I just want to point out a lot of you actively support this if it helps curb “hate speech” or fascists or nazis or whatever. But what can be used against the guilty may be used against the innocent so it is best that we do not allow it at all. Either all speech is free or none of it is, there’s no other way.
Nope. It should be reviewed by a human, and the response should be proportionate.
Not just any human. It should be a board certified child psychologist. They would be one of the few who could recognize a legitimate threat/concern or bullying from a poor joke or a stressed-out kid just venting with an empty threat. And on a positive ‘hit’, should just be a visit from the counselor to see what’s going on. IMO, psychologists should also be the only ones allowed to look at any of the info as they should know how to keep private conversations private if intervention is unnecessary.
The idea of the software does show some merits, but it is way, way too underdeveloped and grossly misused to be of any use.
i do not think you would find many people who actively support the use of artificial intelligence in the monitoring and moderating of hate speech or fascism. those things must be moderated and resisted by people who can be held accountable for mistakes or oversteps, not machines that can not be held accountable for anything.
Or we could have a legislation that would punish the companies that run these bullshit systems AND the authorities that allow and use them when they flop, like in this case.
Hey, dreaming is still free (don’t know how much longer though).
The problem is a societal one. lets see:
- The kids for bullying her for her tan
- The school boards implementing the surveillance
- The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
- The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
- The person calling the cops
- The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents
This has gone through too many hands to even start blaming the companies. anyone in this chain had the opportunity to do the right thing (ok, maybe the teens didn’t, they don’t know any better). Noone did.
Surveillance shouldn’t be so pervasive, but i have no issue with e.g. surveillance in a prison, maybe in a hospital (not in the patient rooms, but to make sure noone steals the good stuff or to make sure no patients are lost in a service tunnel), at a border, inside of police stations to make sure that prisoner rights are upheld, military bases for obvious reasons and so on.
Your society is the issue, and therefor surveillance is everywhere except where it would be useful.
You’re evidently an apologist for these crappy companies.
2 or 3 parents can’t do jack shit to avoid this, short of removing the kids from school and having them homeschooled.
There are 3 main factors that allow this shit to happen:
- Companies with absolutely no values and only focusing on revenue, which ends up creating these bullshit AI “systems” that are broken as hell (Chatgpt 5 anyone?)
- Lack of legislations to serve the people that voted for these legislators to live in a better society, but they choose to self-serve and allow the same shitty companies to do whatever they want AND sell their shit to institutions, like schools, law enforcement and such, so that they can get money from them
- Authorities that use these same broken “systems”, don’t even test them correctly, and take for granted that they will work because they are too fucking lazy to even care, such as schools (that have authority over our kids because we have allowed it) and law enforcement (if they can even still be called that).
There is no way to justify any of the 3 factors as they exist today. These need to change if anything is to get better.
That there are parents that could be doing more to avoid this kind of shit? Absolutely. Will parents pushing for change do anything towards fixing it? Not if the other 3 factors don’t play their part as well.
And the reason fucking kids are so fragile today is because of us allowing everything to be called “bullying”. So, they joked about the tan, big fucking deal. Learn to take a fucking joke or go live in a cave.
Get fucking real.
nah, i don’t like the companies myself, i run my models locally to be independent from them. Venture capital is trying to cram it everywhere, i agree on that point. But the issue in this case is that not one person in the long chain of people did care at all, not that a chatbot flagged the word “kill”; that would have happened with a simple word filter as well.
I also agree that your system is crap and you deserve a better government that cares for people, but since not enough people vote for people and parties like that, we must assume that the majority of voters in the US either dont care or WANT a strong leader to decide for them, they want surveillance to feel save (even tho it doesn’t help with safety at all!), and that this majority is racist as well, or else the skin color of the girl wouldn’t even be a conversation point. It was in the open for what Trump and Project 2025 stood - and they didn’t even stop with the presidency, they gave him the senate too to make sure their agenda gets their way. The rest is simply a consequence of that - this society consists of indifferent, partly hateful, partly racist people.
Kids are brutal and often cruel, especially to their classmates. They brought a girl to the point where she hated the color of her skin so much that she made a “joke” to kill the ethnic group so she wouldn’t be associated with that anymore. Here we are again: hateful, racist people have hateful, racist kids that bully others over skin color.
The solution? I’m not sure. It will take a lot of time and multiple generations; and it probably will only happen if the US loses a lot of it’s power or breaks up into multiple states.
I kind of agree with you. Things in the US (and most of the rest of the world) have taken a turn for the worst. I’ve been digging into all that’s been going on since January, and comparing it with how the nazi party came to be in power in Germany, and the similarities are scary, to say the least. Sure, it’s towards other races more than anything, as well as religions, sexual preferences and other key differentiator, but the core is exactly the same. How the Nazi party got most Germans to believe that being German meant hating jews, blacks and who knows what else, and that’s what made the holocaust so effective. Propaganda pushing hate and dividing the same country. If we go back in history, we can see all the same bullshit propaganda from those days today.
And, full disclosure, I am not opposed to countries controlling illegal immigration, as not doing so is extremely detrimental to any country, however, there is no need to completely destroy people (mentally, spiritually and sometimes even physically) to achieve these goals.
It is as you say. Americans are focused on the lie that surveillance will make them safer, and this government has exacerbated that exponentially in just half a year, using fear as the tool, and fear of immigrants, LGBT people, any skin color difference, and many more.
Now, let’s look at the other side of this. By promoting all this crap, the US has managed to make previous allies look at the possibility of moving to the other side. China, Russia, India and a few more countries have all but created their own “UN”, and contrary to what the media is showing us, they are actually flourishing, which points to a dramatic shift in global politics.
The UK, EU and Australia are leading the surveillance regimes, even for the US (visa, mastercard and steam are US companies, and all 3 were bullied into submission by a fucking Australian NGO, fucking up millions of US gamers in the process, and the authorities of the US haven’t even blinked, WTF?), which is building rapidly into a distrust climate among all allies (assuming they still are).
This is way more complex than war, surveillance, racism, xenophobia and finances, this is the decline of the Roman Empire all over again, bringing with it all the disasters to civilization that comes with this fall.
Money as we knew it doesn’t exist anymore (it hasn’t been based in gold for decades now, and now there is no physical base for it either), values have been stripped from morals in every single community (religious or not), existing weapons could destroy every living being on the planet within a couple of hours, and everyone seems to be blindly following so-called “leaders” that are only looking after their own benefits (and I’m talking about every facet of our civilization: business, work, families, governments, nobody gives a fuck about the common wellbeing anymore).
From my perspective, it falls on each of us to take the best care possible of our families, if and when we achieve this, do the same for our immediate communities, and if that pans out, then each of our countries. But I’m not counting on any “leader” to do what is needed to reverse the downward spiel the whole world is in right now. At this rate, we’re all just going to crash and burn.
Sorry for the horrible and long rant, I am extremely frustrated watching the world my kids will have to try to survive in, and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.
How can I say this, if you only dream while sitting on the couch, then alas, everything will end sadly. Although if you implant a neurochip into your brain, then you won’t be able to even dream lol. :3
This is frustrating. Obviously it’s not okay to make jokes like that and I even think some sort of punishment might be okay, but strip searching and jailing her overnight? You aren’t creating someone who will think before they speak, you’re making someone who will be paranoid of all legal processes and never trust any government official ever again for anything because they got fucking STRIP SEARCHED AND DETAINED OVERNIGHT over a really shitty joke.
It’s ok to make jokes.
To me this is equivalent to dropping bombs on the Middle East and expecting not to create a lot more terrorists. If she didn’t want to go shooting before maybe she wants to now.
The US will do anything and everything except try proper gun control
Proper gun control? Nah let’s spy on kids
No, rather, to monitor future slaves so that they are obedient.
It’s for the children!!
/s
For them they are not children but rather wolves that can snap, so they try to make them obedient dogs.
You know what really grinds my gears? This shitty dystopia completely eschews any potentially cool aspect of invasive exploitative authoritarianism. The (not so) secret police is patching together their own “uniforms” by browsing the bargain bins at the local tacti-cool mall-ninja outfitters. Where’s the black leather trench coats, stylish sunglasses worn after dark and slicked back hair? If they’re going to ask me for ‘ze papers’ all the time, the least they can do is look cool doing it, godamnit. At least get Hugo Boss to design your attire; that’s just about the only thing that worked out well for the last bunch of pricks.
I mean, where’s the towering brutalist architecture? Where’s my mandatory daily dose of SOMA? Or my idiotically wirelessly hackable cyberware? Hell, they can’t even do bread and circuses right anymore. The bread is CO2-pumped flour glue and the circuses is an endless stream of more Marvel projects and Disney violations of Star Wars.
And don’t get me started on the quality of our dictators these days. They sure don’t make them like they used to.
Hey, some of the newer Star Wars stuff is alright! Sometimes!
Mom, can we have Equilibrium at home?
“ICE reached out to both Mr. Bale and Mr. Bean in an attempt to address the current gun-fu deficit of the agency, but regrettably neither had any interest in the job.”
Can’t they at least smoke cigarettes in a cool and threatening manner?!
I think that’s illegal now too. Can’t have anything interfering with the glorious vision of a relentlessly productive citizenry that ideally slave away for the benefits of their owners until they die in the office chair at age 74 - right before qualifying for pension.
Well, except for the health “care” system. That’s an exception, but only because the only thing better than ruthless exploitation is diversified ruthless exploitation. Gotta keep the peons on their toes, lest they get uppity.
I think one rich man in the past said - I don’t need a nation of thinkers, I need a nation of slaves. Unless I’m mistaken of course. It’s like saying predators have learned not to chase their prey but to raise it, giving it the illusion of freedom, although in fact they are leading it to slaughter like cattle. I like this idea with cattle I couldn’t resist lol. :3
“It made me feel like, is this the America we live in?”
Some people are really fucking ignorant.
Unsurprising to me this is happening in schools, they’ve got to be ready for the low wage retail jobs many will have after graduation. A lot of places have been upgrading their phones to Zoom-enabled devices, which have the ability to record and summarize all employee conversations held near them for management or HR. I’ve worked in a couple places recently where it got rolled out and there were hints they were using it that way.
Anyone willing to call me paranoid, or supportive of the idea this tech is used this way or will be, please respond, retail isn’t really full of many tech savvy people and I’m curious if I’m imagining the capability/use of this, or if others have had similar experiences.
What a shithole country.
