• Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Yeah, shitpost needs some better moderation. Shitpost has literally just become post whatever you want. And if that’s what it is, I guess that’s what it is, but the term “shitpost” to me had always been someone coming and derailing serious threads with nonsense opinions, unrelated pics, etc. So silly trolling.

      This post is a picture of a tweet about a near mid-air collision. Unless the second plane was just fucking around, shitflying as they say, I don’t know that it qualifies for the low, low bar that is shitposting.

  • DesolateMood@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    Don’t planes have seatbelts? How did so many people manage to fly out of their seats?

    Also friendly reminder to everybody that planes are still the safest mode of transportation by a significant margin

      • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        As with all statistics, you can make the numbers say what we you want. Planes can carry 500+ people, so an incident risks all 500 of those passengers; similar for rail, but not so much for the bus. And I think about bus and there’s two different kinds of buses, IMO, the inner city bus that’s on the road for hours, but doing few miles while making frequent stops. Not sure what a journey is then, whether it’s stop by stop or from start to finish. And there’s

        So yeah, I dunno. If it’s your time it’s your time. I don’t think any of these means of travel are “unsafe,” whatever that means. But I’ll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I’m not afraid of flying, but having a couple beers beforehand makes it better.

        • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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          2 days ago

          Everyone wants to shit on motorcycles, but it’s as much a red herring as a meaningful statement. You might as well mention that horse riding is 25x more dangerous than motorcycles. And if you really want to get into the weeds, go look up how many motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents, and how many of those are due to speeding or alcohol involvement. So if you don’t drink, and don’t act like a fool, you’re really not all that badly off. Still worse than being in a steel cage for protection, but it’s not only for people “who don’t want to get old.”

          • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            1 day ago

            I was commenting on the vast difference in the statistical numbers. I have no doubt there are lots of steps that can be taken to decrease the risk of shortened lifespan.

            But yes, we can safely engage in high-risk behavior (or in some instances like air racing pilots, come to terms that they will likely (and preferably) end their lives explosively and spectacularly). And then there’s how James Cameron does super-deep submersible exploration vs. Stockton Rush.

            My mother would not only climb up rock faces and summit mountains all over the Sierra Nevadas (and later in other parts of the world) but would lug twenty five pounds of old-school photography gear to show she did it and took pics of the astounding vistas. As a kid I went along with her sometimes, and encountered a few two many poison oak pushes, mosquito swarms, and stories about lost bits due to frostbite. I Belong To The City now (I belong to the night).

      • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Last time I posted something about this, it was downvoted to oblivion. Glad to see that didn’t happen here. There are some statistical quirks that make this obvious once you think about it though.

        Planes tend to make long trips, so anything measured on a per-km basis is going to be wildly diluted. Nobody is taking a plane to travel a few blocks. Something like a car will tend to make much shorter (but more frequent) trips, so the per-km stat won’t be diluted. But inversely, the per-trip stat will be diluted with cars, purely because they’re used much more often.

      • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        So I don’t know how true it is (or isn’t). This wiki article gives a list of “all newsworthy” incidents since 2023. Got two (now three) this year. Five last year. Ten in 2023. But newsworthy is the key word. We have an incident like we did in DC, and in the immediate wake of it there were news reports just about anytime someone sneezed on an airplane (hyperbole).

        I’ll tell you, my eye test and feelings agree with you, but I just don’t know how true it is. And it’s hard to avoid getting political, but there is a vested interest in certain news circles to paint a bleak picture (don’t take this wrong, I’m in favor of funding government agencies).

        So yeah, fuck it, you know?

    • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      They have seatbelts, but for the most of the flight they are unused - you only need to buckle in during takeoff, landing, and if when encountering turbulence.

      I guess there wasn’t enough time to get all the passengers to fasten their seatbelts before the collision?

      • 18107@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        2 days ago

        I wonder if you’ve ever listened to the part of the safety briefing before every flight where they instruct you to keep the seatbelt fastened throughout the entire flight.

        Judging by the number of clicks I hear when the seatbelt light turns off, I’d say most people don’t.

      • stoly@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        You should always have the belt on unless you are standing up for some reason. This story is exactly why.

      • rollerbang@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        Where I fly they also always advise to remain fastener regardless of no immediate warnigs. Exactly for situations like this - and others.

        • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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          2 days ago

          Yeah, but people are still going to be using the bathrooms and such, even if you assume everyone actually obeys the rules

            • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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              2 days ago

              At any time, you can expect at least 2-6 people out of their seats if the fasten seatbelts sign isn’t on. But I don’t really care about that part, shit happens

              Planes shouldn’t be dodging each other in the first place… That’s the actual problem here. I don’t blame the pilot either, they avoided a collision, so as far as I’m concerned they did what they had to do

              The situation itself never should have happened

              • yamper@lemmy.world
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                2 days ago

                i dont even know what youre trying to state or argue. seatbelts should be worn by all seated passengers at all times to mitigate risk of injury in case something that shouldn’t happen does end up happening. obviously there are exceptions like when people need to piss and shit.

          • dev_null@lemmy.ml
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            2 days ago

            Of course, but it should be the 2-4 people who are actively going somewhere / in the bathroom, everyone else should have their seatbelt on.

            • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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              2 days ago

              And airplanes shouldn’t be in each other’s airspace

              I don’t know what you’re trying to say, the airplanes nearly running into each other is the clear problem

              • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                2 days ago

                Check out John Oliver’s take on air traffic control on LWT

                I was a kid when Reagan fired all the striking air traffic controllers. It turns out it takes a long time to train them, so we haven’t recovered from that one incident. It also means all ATCs are overworked, still underpaid and using outdated hardware and methods.

                Air travel was screwed even before Trump defunded the FAA.

                • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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                  2 days ago

                  Fair, but it has gotten very noticably worse based on Trump’s deregulation catching up on the aircrafts and the latest round of forcing out air traffic control

                  Also, I didn’t know you could just say “all pronouns”. I like that a lot, I’m really uncomfortable putting myself in boxes and that describes my preferences very succinctly

              • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
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                2 days ago

                There are things you can control and things you can’t. I can’t keep the planes out of each other’s airspace, but I can keep my seat belt on.

                That would be more insightful if I wasn’t a pilot…

                Tap for spoiler

                I’m not.

                • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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                  2 days ago

                  Yeah, that’ll keep you from getting slammed on the ceiling…in a situation that should never, ever happen. Which I’d over a midair collision, in which case you’re just screwed no matter what you do

                  I don’t blame the pilot either, they did their job properly. It was the military that failed to coordinate with the civilian air control tower, which also could have been avoided if the civilian tower had radar

                  What should you do? Demand better. Not think “I would have been fine, they must’ve been stupid”

                  You can’t protect against every freak event, what you can do is be one drop in the wave that demands competence from our government

  • other_cat@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    3 days ago

    And this is why I don’t fly anymore. It was never an enjoyable experience (except takeoff. Wee!!) and now it’s even less worth it.

    Now I find myself having a depressed opinion on the lack of train options.

  • callouscomic@lemmy.zip
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    3 days ago

    Is gutting the federal government working yet? Is the swamp drained? Is the winning complete? Are my bigoted piece of shit nazi flag flying neighbors satisfied yet?

    • CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Exactly. I don’t say those things at work anymore because they are too many of them.

      I can’t help wondering if they are remorseful.

      One thing I know is people don’t like to be told. I stop correcting them. The more we point out their flaws, the more irrationally they will hold on to the false beliefs

      • SGforce@lemmy.ca
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        2 days ago

        They will instead irrationality believe that it’s working in their favour and be emboldened. They didn’t reach their position by being rational. Don’t let a bully tell you that you deserved it after he punches you in the face.

      • papertowels@mander.xyz
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        2 days ago

        A fascinating theory I read is that MAGA is making a big deal out of Epstein because it provides an off-ramp that lets them save face.

        Legit I’m like "bruh, you’re upset that your billionaire ‘grab em by the pussy’, ‘accidentally’ walking into the miss teen usa changing room, ‘I’d fuck my daughter if she wasn’t my daughter’ president is on a list of billionaire sexual predators? I’m glad that something finally looks like it might stick to him but c’mon guys.

        • Screamium@lemmy.world
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          2 days ago

          I meant getting Trump elected to sow discord and chaos in the US has allowed Russia to continue their war while facing fewer repercussions

  • slaacaa@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is very dangerous. Time to remove regulations for collision warning systems on airplanes, so dangerous maneuvers like this don’t happen in the future

    Tap for spoiler

    /s