People believing in their fake arguments… What they want is to empower the power (a dictatorial State)
If these childs (when they grow adults) live in a horrible country without freedom… maybe it is better dont protect them
Just read about brazilian PIX system and I am baffled. Their gov bypassed payment companies all together and trump is really angry about it Lol. Epic
Sounds like good shit.
I want my wifu game back
To the people who are pushing this:
Do you want everyone to start using crypto where all transactions are not controllable by you at all? Because this is how you get people to do that.
I highly doubt that crypto could deliver on that particular promise.
It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that’s bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
Crypto is great for peer 2 peer money transfers. But when you have a legal big business you end up still having to deal with the big payment processors to do anything of substance with that crypto.
So for illegal and underground stuff it’s great.
For big businesses that need to stay above board and legal. It becomes a dead end.
It’s extremely clunky, it takes menace of being killed by the state before people will put up with the jank
That’s the whole thing. Crypto was supposed to be a currency system by using a block chain as a ledger.
Ethereum is kind of what crypto was thought up to be. A semi stable coin, that serves as decentralized currency.
In some ways it’s brilliant; no institution that can watch what you buy, limit you or take their cut. But then again, it’s rife with illegal transactions and some really impactful theoretical attacks, especially against the ledger. It’s a blessing and a curse.
That’s the best case outcome no matter what, that’s what crypto should be, not some brain rot hype scam fest. Also for private transactions, that’s why Monero Is the only good crypto, its actually private and secure.
Funny part is that one of Jesus’s favorite disciplines was a prostitute. I don’t think Jesus was has as prudish as his followers are.
I get that it was a typo, and you meant to say “disciples”, but I like it better this way.
Like Jesus was studying for a career in sex work.
I think the disciples are disciplined by the cult guru. And we know how many of those guru end up with megaorgies maybe they didn’t write all of it down
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…”
Jesus always said the ones that needed him the most were the crooked ones. He say Magdalena and though “I can fix her”
See, I’m no fan of Bitcoin. It’s pure speculation and hardly serves a purpose while burning down a rainforest for every transaction. Also the ledger makes things traceable, so it’s also a worse concept than cash.
This, however, is a good example of why the concept exists. We need a financial tool outside of the control of banks.
(Yada yada Ethereum and proof of stake.)
It’s also why American global hegemony is bad; they all tend to move in lock step with each other. If there were a few more European and Asian payment providers out there we’d be a bit more diversity of policy and true consumer choice.
Okay, devils advocate time.
What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
Because I don’t buy “freedom” and “none of my business” as reasonable moral positions.
I think it’s justified to want to prevent people from normalizing extreme content publicly.
I think one of the greatest moral failings of modern society is the obsession with allowing companies, rich folk, and the deranged to build systems and communities of harm because society should always be neutral for some reason.
I do agree that payment systems shouldn’t be the ultimate arbiters of what’s permissible, and general sexual content is a normal part of what it means to be human. But we should have limits.
This conversation is completely dominated by people focusing on the “censorship.” As if we don’t justifiably ban snuff or actual films of these sorts of activities.
Please think of the children? Yes, and think of the women these sorts of norms harm. Sometimes you really should care.
This conversation is always completely without nuance, as if all censorship is objectively wrong. Sex games should be legal, unless they are absurdly harmful. And yes, I realize that line is sometimes hard to draw, but we absolutely should find it.
Failing to have a reasonable way to remove something you find genuinely immoral, and defaulting to this “trick” I think is a respectable action for someone who is trying to be ethical to take, even if I don’t completely agree with all her views.
No matter the argument for or against allowing a game, the role of deciding this should not fall to a payment processor basically holding a game platform hostage.
I mean isn’t this the gaming concept of scrub mentality? If I believe a specific moral act outweighs a minor dishonourable act, then shouldn’t I still do that act?
Say I know someone is being beaten in a locked room. It is an important government room, and only key holders elected by the community should enter.
I think it’s justifiable to kick down the door and stop the beating, because beating people up is against my morals so much more than ensuring proper procedure.
But when if someone does that, and everyone endlessly gripes about how “passerbys should not have authority to enter the special room” instead of “well at least I’m glad someone isn’t being beaten up anymore”, then I have to wonder if most people are fine with beatings?
Terrible analogy, non-equivalent etc, but do you see what I’m saying. Because I agree with you that card companies shouldn’t set the terms of what’s acceptable - I mentioned it in my first post.
Using the card company to stop the distribution of tape material is a cheap tactic, but if preventing harm is winning, then saying it’s never justified is scrub mentality, as if beating someone by spamming hadoken doesn’t count.
Patch the game later if it’s so unfair, this is the only way to get it removed right now. The deck is stacked against activists - usually the only effective options they have are disruptive and outside the system.
I think it would be different if the provocateurs in question weren’t, like, religious zealots or whatever. I have little confidence their aim is to move the needle in a direction I’d like it to go.
I’ve argued with plenty of do-nothing dip shits about Just Stop Oil who are concerned solely with getting to work on time and, apparently, the plexiglass in front of famous paintings. But the difference is, Just Stop Oil is a cause I can get behind. I’m not worried that supporting them would also lead to mandatory chastity cages, you know?
I mean, I will admit the first steam list I saw, I thought “This seems bad. Can’t imagine missing any of these titles, though.”
[edit] I actually forgot to mention this: The “right way” to do, like, CSAM counter-terrorism on the level of whatever is happening now will virtually always incense a bunch of libertarians—it’s not really avoidable.
That’s just about how I feel.
Although I do wish we could take action on obviously terrible media without fearing slippery slopes to mandatory chastity cages.
I have to assume there are many non-zealot feminists who exist and are happy to see this gone. But all I see online is grumbling- it’s disturbing
To be clear, I’m talking about leadership. It’d be a bit like celebrating J.K. Rowling for her advocacy against spousal abuse, meanwhile, she’s still dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into nazi anti-trans groups. More of a broken clock situation than a slippery slope.
Never thought I would be finding common ground on a controversial topic with a guy named petrol_sniff_king but here we are
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What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
I think the first step is defining terms and being transparent about your intent. Like, everybody’s on board with banning pedoshit until you find out the organization is targeting transfolk and covering for real pedophiles. I have run into people who think all anime is CSAM, I have run into people who think all sex is rape. There’s enough kooks out there, you can’t just take a political org like Collective Shout at face value.
You’d probably have to go game-by-game and point out that the game has certain elements, provide evidence that those elements are actually dangerous, then start a petition for Steam et al to remove individual titles.
Couldn’t people just by steam cards with cash, load load it to their accounts and then make their porn purchases? What’s to stop other retailers from selling gift cards that can be purchased with cash to use on the pornographic stuff being sold? Edit: I just learned this issue stems from the major CC companies refusing to let companies like steam use their platform to process payments if they kept NSFW games up. My question still stands, what’s keeping steam or the player base from telling these companies to f-off and switch to a cash based gift card method?
The biggest reason is Steam would likely lose more money from doing that compared with removing the games the card companies are being assholes about.
Gift cards only function because of payment processors basically.
If visa and MasterCard decide they won’t support steam means you also can’t buy steam gift cards with your debit card suddenly it requires cash.
Stores will get pressured to no longer stock those giftcard or also lose visa/MasterCard support. This has been threatened before and has caused gift cards to be removed from major grocery stores in the us in the past.
You CANT avoid this even swapping to crypto has the same problem. At some point you HAVE to deal with the payment processors.
Even just getting your crypto back out into cash can quickly become problematic for a business.
We the people have options and ways around it sure, but businesses really don’t.
and then make their porn purchases
The issue goes far beyond “porn games on Steam”. These same groups tried to ben other games with no sex at all, but “disturbing” themes (to them). They failed, because, big game, big pushback. But their agenda is not “no porn”, it’s “no anything we dislike”. They’re just starting with the thing they hoped would get little to no pushback for now.
Its really odd, cause you’d think they’d just want to make money no matter where it comes from.
the only thing worth more than money to these kinds of people is making other people suffer.
Crypto still has to deal with payment processors when it comes to large businesses. It doesn’t side step the issue at all unless the business can entirely pay all it’s bills with crypto.
That’s not about crypto, like at all?
Thanks your your AI input! /s
Remember how they found comstock?
Wait till you learn that only fans models have people reply for them or bots! Loooool
Hate it. Especially itch.io nuking everything. Adult games is basically the only reason I even had an account on there
Well thanks for letting me know I don’t need to bother with that site /s
I think they’re working on bringing a lot of it back and stuff, but ya know :3
Last I checked you couldn’t search for anything with the “nsfw” tag
Not gonna lie their tag system sucks eggs, no way to exclude tags when searching on their site/app, I thought the site was nothing but horror when I first got into it.
F95Zone has most games available for download, at least out of the ones I’ve seen on itch.io. It’s technically a place to get them illegitimately, but a lot of small-time developers still make accounts there just to chat with players and encourage them to buy the games and/or support them on subscribestar for real if they like their content, which seems to work well.
I’m out of the loop I guess. What’s happening?
Americans are being puritanical, and US payment companies are making steam and other game platforms remove nsfw content or they’ll block their payment services from them or something.
And somehow they decided it’s better to make this an issue for everyone, not just the people who use those payment services
Pretty sure Collective Shout is Austrailian.
I think they also got Left 4 Dead 2’s poster edited to remove the V fingers (cuz it’s 2 in america and the finger in Aussie??)
They also got an rpg rape simulator delisted, though that probs would have happened on it’s own.
You can look at the list :3 this is from itch talking about collective shout. A lot of them are US based, the last one is japanese
Funny they don’t name their own Australian conservative anti abortion Christian founder though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist
Funny that they are trying to empower women so much but aren’t going after any of the social media of fundie women telling young girls their only purpose in life is to breed and serve their husband
Totally. I’m arguing that the only people with puritanical reasons are the Australian karen group.
VISA etc are acting for purely financial reasons. Like they literally have matrixes for this kind of thing. Corporations don’t give 2 shits about fuck if it doesn’t make them money.
End of the day they calculated that the market cap for hentai games is smaller than the potential lost revenue generated from the negative publicity.
Fair enough :3
Similar point tho. Enough puritans can’t handle consenting adults looking at a drawn penis to make the payment processors pull this little stunt
The entire movement and group that’s pushing this is the Australian branches of these companies and Australian groups partitioning the companies.
So this is entirely Australias fault.
International companies are international.
It’s Australia not America that’s doing this.
An action group of Karens who in the past have succeed in getting other games (one of them an rpg rape simulator) taken off of game stores.
This recent story they convinced payment processors to pressure steam into removing most of their adult games as well as some other site that I guess has even more adult games.
IMO if a platform decides they don’t want to host adult content, that is their prerogative. The people conflating this to “art destruction” or “censorship” are just another flavour of people who misunderstand what free speech is and isn’t.
It’s called “extortion.” The X makes it sound sexy.
“Remove the games or we’ll remove your ability to accept payments from 98% of your customers”
DUDES IT’S TOTALLY UP TO THE GAME PLATFORM
Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it’s their prerogative to not process them.
I’d wager you have crypto wallet if you the kind of person who cares about hentai games. Go support the developer directly if it matters so much.
Hentai games are not going to make the 98% of people who don’t play them care about Payment Oligopolies, which is the closet thing to moral cause here.
Nothing wrong with hentai but getting worked up over it is a red flag.
Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it’s their prerogative to not process them.
You’re so right, and I’m obviously happy when things like this happen. Thank you, VISA. Thank you, Mastercard. Thank you, Capital One. Thank you, American Express. Praise be to God, guns, and government. Amen.
I think you mean “Monopoly baby!”, or are Visa/Mastercard not using their dominant market position to dictate what can and cannot be purchased?
No oligopoly is when several companies control the market. Monopoly is when a single company controls the market.
Quit jerking off during zoom class bud.
if you’re going to be all “uhm, aktchually” you might want to make sure you get the terms right:
when it’s 2 companies, it’s called a duopoly.
Fuck you dollar jesus.
Society has never been able to keep NSFW content out of the hands of viewers / end users, and have tried multiple times. Singles (a The Sims -like with actual sex – if kinda clinical; it was a German game) was pressured off shelves in Target, Gamestop and Electronics Boutique. It came back with underwear stapled on, which was quickly hacked off.
This is how we ended up with official / unofficial patches that re-unlock all the naked bits in games like Huniepop, Nude keys, nude codes and nude patches became the convention which ushered video games into the same perversity level of cinema. (We’ve already had countless fan-made nude patches for non-romantic games).
And of course they’re going too far, pressuring distribution services to cut LGBT+ content whether it’s porn or not. Before they were emboldened by Trump, there was already pressure to de-list specific themes (an incomplete list: rape/NC; fictional child sex abuse/child experimentation; incest; and depending on the assessment, furry content within a certain threshold.¹ ). Anyhow we know the white Christian nationalist movement (from which the Heritage Society’s Project 2025 and the Seven Mountain Mandate come) is looking to criminalize porn and make it difficult to access.
1: This is still weird to me, enough to geek out about it here. Furry hate gets strangely specific. It breaks down like this:
- Those who disapprove of all furry content that is adult-themed (contrast the 1983 movie Rock and Rule vs. 1973 Disney’s Robin Hood ) this group probably only exists because there’s a significant fanbase for furry porn / erotica.
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content featuring explicit sex (e.g. “Omaha” the Cat Dancer first published in 1976, by Reed Waller and Kate Worley.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content that is exclusively erotic (I can’t find the specific ones I’ve read, which isn’t many.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of erotic furry content that features species-accurate genitals, which is the threshold VISA was in, and is too spicy for some lemmings. I don’t fully understand why this is a subcategory.
The thing is most porn games and most LGBT+ centric games are labors of love, first, and a revenue source second. They will get made and get out, more so, when entire demographics and communities are stripped of a voice or of acknowledgement. It also puts less spicy porn in the same category as unethically spicy porn (e.g. CSAM). If the public has to use the same methods as terrorists and child predators to get their fix, it makes those groups less illegitimate. In for a lamb, in for a sheep.
Anyhow useful websites are here:
Of those that remain, those who disapprove of erotic furry content that features species-accurate genitals, which is the threshold VISA was in, and is too spicy for some lemmings. I don’t fully understand why this is a subcategory.
This one actually makes the second most sense to me out of the ones listed (first being explicit sex of course). To a lot of people who aren’t furries, at least in the horny sense, the emphasis put on making the genitals resemble those of real animals is a clear connection to bestiality. In order to care, you have to know, and to know you have to spend a lot of time looking at animal dicks (or spend time with people who do).
To make my point, ask yourself how you feel about other fetishes / kinks with similar properties. For example, consider ABDL. It’s a fetish that uses fairly direct references to being way too young for sex despite being adults, much like the animal dicks directly invoking, well, sucking animal dick despite not being an animals. There are tons of people who see that and immediately think it’s for pedos. Though, weirdly enough, many those same people don’t have nearly that much of an issue with various more mild but more realized forms of neoteny in porn (the industry’s obssession with 18-19yo girls springs to mind).
For what it’s worth I’m not really in that group (consentual adults yada yada), but I did have that gut reaction when I first encountered it.
